Originally posted by DigitalGrl
The bible does not CLEARLY state that the rapture is going to happen.
In fact..if you study the original hebrew and ancient greek, the word rapture or christians will be taken, or anything like that is ever said. It is
correlated to the 144,000 interpretation.
The interpretation of 144,000 saints of Rev. 14 has been an enigma for centuries. But if scripture is taken literally concerning these men, there can
only be one
conclusion to who they are.
they are men. "virgins who haven't defiled themselves with women"
2.Next they are firstfruits. What's a firstfruit? (Rom 8:23, James 1:18, Rev 14:4). Probably a person who has first received the gospel message,
ie. contemporaries to Jesus.
3. They are still living...
…. and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body
be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians 5:23
Most often in biblical interpretation, erroneous understanding comes when one fails to see the simplicity of a passage. The true meaning flies right
over the head of the scholarly and educated. If the fundamental Christian believes that Adam and his immediate descendants could live over 900 years,
why is it then implausible to believe that 144,000 men could live over 2,000 years?
It is my goal in this synopsis to educate and introduce the body of Christ into understanding the realization of a body of men that has not died yet,
that has been kept preserved for thousands of years, and that will be made manifest to the world shortly. I will use only contextually accurate
passages from scripture to prove my thesis.
The apostle Paul, in his letter to Timothy, referred to a time in the not so distant future when he would be leaving his ministry. The almost
unanimous given understanding to the reader is that Paul would be dying soon.
He states in 2Timothy 4:6: “For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.” This does not necessarily mean that he
will be dying shortly. Furthermore, this cannot foretell of his death if one is to believe his following remark in verse 18 in which he stresses,
“And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve [me] unto his heavenly kingdom:” This “departure” should only imply an
end to the current ministry in which he endeavored. He is leaving to go somewhere, but where? In Hebrew 4, the author, which I do believe is Paul,
encourages his followers to labor so they can enter into a type of rest.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
In chapter 13, he encourages his followers to go somewhere else.
10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
11 For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Concerning the Rapture
A body of believers who believe they will be carried away and taken out of the world prior to cataclysmic destruction should fully understand the
passages they support and hold as their foundation. Paul specifically uses the word “we” when describing the body of individuals who will be taken
up following the initial group.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we
which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them
which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ
shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive
[and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever
be with the Lord.
From the base understanding of his letters, Paul is clearly suggesting that: 1)He will not die. And 2)He will be preserved; body, soul and spirit.
Matthew, Mark and Luke; the 3 Witnesses
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. Mark 13:30
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Luke 21:32
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of God coming in his kingdom. Matthew
And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the
kingdom of God come with power. Mark 9:1
But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. Luke 9:27
Concluding what Jesus meant by seeing the Son of God coming in his kingdom, that it was fulfilled by his transfiguration 6 to 8 days afterward, is
ludicrous. Why would he state that there would be men standing next to him that wouldn’t die in a week or so? He wouldn’t. He didn’t. He
definitely implied that some of his disciples would live a VERY, VERY long time. Jesus implies that the beloved disciple John could possibly remain
until he came back.
20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he
that betrayeth thee?
21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what [shall] this man [do]?
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what [is that] to thee? follow thou me.
23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will
that he tarry till I come, what [is that] to thee?
A firstfruit in biblical terms is defined as a person who has first received salvation by believing in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. The NT
mentions a group of people called firstfruits. They are also witnesses of seeing Jesus Christ in the flesh, during his ministry.
1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred
[and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were
redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
James, in his epistle, addressing the 12 scattered tribes of Israel, calls them firstfruits as well.
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
Paul addresses the firstfruits in Roman 8.
23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the
adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.
Earlier in verse 11 of that same chapter, he reveals the power behind the capability to live a long time, namely the Holy Spirit.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal
bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
A Nation Born at Once?
The book of Isaiah hints of this group of God’s people being born at once. How can this happen?
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation be born at once? for
as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
To this day, there are 144,000 men being preserved in body, soul and mind beneath the holy city of Jerusalem. They are in the hiding place. One day
soon they will break forth and manifest themselves to the people of the world. They are God’s elect people. They are blameless. Paul, John and many
other biblical figures are part of this mighty army.
31 And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward:
32 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.
12 I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as the
flock in the midst of their fold: they shall make great noise by reason of [the multitude of] men.
13 The breaker is come up before them: they have broken up, and have passed through the gate, and are gone out by it: and their king shall pass before
them, and the LORD on the head of them.
Behold the 144,000 saints of God. They will come out of hiding and engage in the final stages of this world. They will testify of the Lord and his
holy messenger. They are the foundation to the holy city. They will attract all nations from the ends of the earth to come to Jerusalem. They are the
“fathers” spoken of in Malachi 4:6. I have now introduced you to them. You are their children. Behold your fathers.
[edit on 29-4-2005 by Plumbo]