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Secrets of ‘contorted’ freemason initiation to be revealed

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posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 09:06 PM
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Secrets of ‘contorted’ freemason initiation to be revealed


Kath Gourlay



"HE is believed to be the inspiration for the hero of Dan Brown’s bestselling novel The Da Vinci Code, and is credited with revealing the secrets of Rosslyn Chapel on which the cult book is based.
Now Dr Robert Lomas, who like Brown’s protagonist Robert Langdon is an international expert on symbolism and myth, is to publish a no-holds-barred account of the secret initiation ceremony of a freemason. "

www.timesonline.co.uk...



Should be interesting to see the reaction of our beloved brothers LOL LOL

I can hear it now, this guy is a nut case LOL LOL

"The master of the lodge, wore an elaborate V-shaped collar of blue and white, the floor was covered in a white shroud, and the five-pointed star was shining on the eastern wall of the room, illuminating a skull and two crossed thigh bones. "

Scull & Bones, sounds familar



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posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Should be interesting to see the reaction of our beloved brothers LOL LOL

I can hear it now, this guy is a nut case LOL LOL



So, you post expecting a certain response?

I'm not a Mason man but that certainly sounds like trolling to me.

LOL LOL LOL LOL




posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
"HE is believed to be the inspiration for the hero of Dan Brown’s bestselling novel The Da Vinci Code, and is credited with revealing the secrets of Rosslyn Chapel on which the cult book is based.
Now Dr Robert Lomas, who like Brown’s protagonist Robert Langdon is an international expert on symbolism and myth, is to publish a no-holds-barred account of the secret initiation ceremony of a freemason. "
Should be interesting to see the reaction of our beloved brothers LOL LOL

I can hear it now, this guy is a nut case LOL LOL


Actually Brother Lomas IS a Freemason. He's written many books for masons, regarding Freemasonry, and given countless lectures to masons and the public regarding masonry. He's always given out lots of information about the fraternity, which people think masons are not allowed to talk about. The fact that Bro. Lomas is still out writing these books and making this knowledge available for anyone, and the fact that he's still alive goes to show that all your guys' theories are bunk.

He will no doubt write a great book that is very informative and revealing. But he will in no way violate his masonic obligation, that I can promise you.

Man, you sure do your research, dontcha!?



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posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 09:22 PM
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sebatwerk, in the last thread you asked for proof and links, here ya go. More to follow.

Persoanlly, I feel that this book has recieved the "OK" by the higher ups in masonry. But it still should be a interesting read.



posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Should be interesting to see the reaction of our beloved brothers LOL LOL
I can hear it now, this guy is a nut case LOL LOL


Well, I'm certainly not your Brother and I don't necessarily think he's a nut case. I question his obvious motives...to sell more books. But if you think this is a FIRST, get a grip.

Here's just a PARTIAL list of Masonic exposures that have been available since the 1700's and continue to be available today. No big deal. So someone knows a Masonic ritual.....it doesn't and WON'T make them a Freemason and it WON'T gain them admission to the Lodge. 'nuff said

A Partial List of the Exposes of Freemasonry.

"A Mason's Examination"
in the "The Flying Post or Post Master", April 11 & 13, 1723.
"The Grand Mystery of Freemasons Discovered"
London, 1724.
"The Secret History of Freemasonry"
London, 1724.
"The Whole Institution of Free-Masons Opened"
?, 1725.
"The Grand Mystery of the Free Masons Discover'd, Wherein are
the Several Questions Put to Them at Their Metings and
Installations, also Their Oath, Health, Signs, Points to Know
Each Other by, etc."
London: (A. Moore?), 1725.
"The Grand Mystery Laid Open, or the Free Masons Signs
and Words Discovered"
?, 1726.
"The Mystery of Freemasonry"
in the "Daily Journal of London", Aug. 15 & 18, 1730,
in the "Pennsylvania Gazette" Dec. 5 to 8, 1730.
"Masonry Dissected"
by Samuel Pritchard,
London, 1730,
several later editions,
German translation, 1736,
French translation, 1737.
"The Secrets of Masonry Made Known to all Men"
by Samuel Pritchard,
London 1737.
"The Mystery of Masonry"
London, 1737.
"The Mysterious Receptions of the Celebrated Society of Freemasons"
London, 1737.
"Masonry Further Dissected"
by Samuel Pritchard (?)
London, 1738.
"Le Secret des Franc-Macons"
par l'Abbe Perau,
Geneve, 1742.
"Catechisme des Franc-Macons"
par Leonard Gaganon (Louis Travenol)
Paris, 1745,
several editions, under different titles.
"L'ordre de Franc-Macons Trahi et le Secret des Mopses Revele"
Amsterdam, 1745,
German translation,
Dutch translation,
several subsequent editions.
"La Macon Demarque"
?, 1751.
"The Freemason Examin'd"
by Alex Slade,
London, 1754.
"The Secrets of the Free Masons Revealed"
by "a disgusted brother"
London, 1759.
"A Master Key to Freemasonry"
?, 1760.
"The Three Distinct Knocks"
?, 1760.
"Hiram, or the Grand Master Key"
London, 1764.
"Solomon in All His Glory"
?, 1766.
"The Freemason Stripped Naked"
by Charles Warren,
London, 1769.
"Receuil Precieux de la Maconnerie Adonhiramite"
by Louis Guillemain de Saint Victors,
Paris, 1781.
"Ritual der Verbesserten Freimaurerei, Enthaltend die Ceremonien
bey der Aufnahme"
von Johann Joachim Christoph Bode,
Weimar, 1788,
expanded edition,
Weimar 1792.
"The Master Key"
by I. Brown,
London, 1794.
"A Masonic Treatise, with an Elucidation on the Religious and Moral
Beauties of Freemasonry, etc."
by W. Finch,
London, 1801.
"The Cat Out of the Bag"
London, 1824, 1825.
"Manual of Freemasonry"
by Richard Carlisle,
?, 1825.
"Illustrations of Masonry, by One of the Fraternity Who Has Devoted
Years to the Subject."
by William Morgan,
Le Roy, New York, 1826.
"Illustrations of Masonry, by One of the Fraternity Who Has Devoted
Years to the Subject, with an Acount of the Kidnapping of the
Author."
second edition,
Le Roy, New York, 1827.

[Around this time, all degrees, up to the Knight Templar of the York rite, and 33rd degree of the A.A.S.R. were performed publically by Freemasons holding the respective degrees; see the note below.]
"Light on Masonry"
by David Bernard,
Utica, New York, 1829.
"Ritual und Aufdecklung der Freimaurerei der Gesellschaften der
Oranienmaurer und Seltsamen Gesellen, mit Vielen Bildern,...Aus
Englischen Schriften Gezogen von einem Freunde des Lichts"
Leipzig: Leopold Michelsen, 1838.
"A Ritual of Freemasonry"
by Avery Allyn,
New York, New York, 1852.
"Richardson's Monitor of Freemasonry"
by Benjamin Henry Day,
Philadelphia: David McKay, 1861 (?).
"Duncan's Masonic Ritual and Monitor or Guide to the Three Symbolic
Degrees of the Ancient York Rite, and the Degrees of Mark Master,
Past Master, Most Excellent Master, and the Royal Arch"
by Malcolm C. Duncan,
third edition,
New York: Dick & Fitzgerald, 1866,
"Ecce Oriente; an Epitome of the History of the Ancient Essenes,
Their Rites and Ceremonies of the Essenes; Followed by the
Ritual of the Modern Order of the Essenes"
by M. Wolcott Redding,
New York: Redding & Co., 1870.
"Ecce Oriente; or Rites and Ceremonies of the Essenes"
by M. Wolcott Redding,
New York: Redding & Co., 1872,
National Series editions in 1872, 1876, 1877, 1878, 1881,
1883, 1885, 1887,.... 1949,
more than 29 editions overall,
the 28th edition mentions E.C. Cozzens.
"Duncan's Rituale der Freimaurerei, Oder Fuhrer Durch die Drei
Symbolischen Grade des Alten Yourk Ritus; die Lehrlings, Gesellen,
und Meister Maurer Grades"
von Malcolm C. Duncan,
New York: Dick & Fitzgerald, 1875.
"Light on Freemasonry: Revised Edition"
by David Bernard,
Dayton, Ohio: W. J. Shueys, 1874.
"The Ritual Containing the Work, Lectures, and Monotorial of
the E.A., F.C., and M.M. Degrees. Arranged and Compiled from
the Standard Lodge Work"
New York: Masonic Book Agency, 1877.
"The Ritual of the Chapter, Containing the Work, Lectures, and
Monotorial of the M.M., P.M., M.E.M. and R.A. Degrees. Arranged
and Compiled from the Standard R. A. Work"
by H. Wilkinson (?),
New York: Masonic Book Agency, 1878.
"Revised Knight Templarism Illustrated"
by Ezra A. Cook,
Chicago, 1879.
"Scotch Rite Masonry Illustrated"
by Jonathan Blanchard,
Chicago: Ezra A. Cook, 1882,
subsequent editions, 1890, 1930.
"Freemasonry Illustrated"
by Jacob O. Doesburg,
Chicago: Ezra A. Cook, 1886.
"King Solomon and His Followers, (N.Y.) a Valuable Aid to the
Memory"
by James Alexander Gavitt, (and C. Gavitt?),
New York: Allen Publishing Company,
between 1896,
and 1949, more than 22 editions.
"More Light: A Ritual of the Three Symbolic Degrees"
New York, 1896.
"Revised Knight Templarism Illustrated"
by Ezra A. Cook,
Chicago, second edition, 1904.
"Duncan's Ancient, Free, and Accepted Masonic Ritual and Monitor"
by Malcolm C. Duncan,
New York: Fitzgerald Publishing Corp, 1922.
"Duncan's Royal Arch Ancient, Free, and Accepted Masonic Ritual and
Monitor"
by Malcolm C. Duncan,
New York: Fitzgerald Publishing Corp, 1922.
"Darkness Visible; A Revelation and Interpretation
of Freemasonry"
by Walter Hannah,
London, 1952
"Duncan's Masonic Ritual and Monitor or Guide to the Three Symbolic
Degrees of the Ancient York Rite, and the Degrees of Mark Master,
Past Master, Most Excellent Master, and the Royal Arch"
by Malcolm C. Duncan,
third edition,
New York: Mc Kay, 1976.
"The Freemasons, etc."
London and New York, 1978 (?)
"Emulation Ritual"
Revised, 1991
London: Lewis Masonic Co., 1991



posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 09:27 PM
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Anyone interested in buying the book, you can go here

Turn ing the Hirum Key

I never said masons didnt like to share thier thoughts. Impressive list, it says alot for the craft.

Is "Etidorphia" on that list?

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posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
sebatwerk, in the last thread you asked for proof and links, here ya go. More to follow.

Persoanlly, I feel that this book has recieved the "OK" by the higher ups in masonry. But it still should be a interesting read.


I asked for proof and links for the claims you made regarding Freemasonry. What are you talking about? You're touting a book written by a popular masonic author, making it seem like it's something special that's never been done before... yet Senrak gave you a rather lengthy list of exposes that have been written up to 200 years ago.

You DO understand that there's no higher-ups in masonry, right? They simply don't exist in an organization that elects it's officers for one-year terms. No member EVER needs permission to publish anything. If it violate shis masonic obligation, he will be expelled from the fraternity. That's all.

I don't see what you're trying to prove by promoting this book. That masonry exists, and we have ritual? Yes it does, and we do. That we are not as secretive as you once thought? Exactly.


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posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Anyone interested in buying the book, you can go here
[snip]



This is a good one too.
www.freemasons-freemasonry.com...

Amazon.com sells the hard-back version, but it's available on-line free. Also, as a side note, the site that it's on is an excellent Masonic info site. Freemasons in good standing can access the restricted area as well. Several versions of ritual are available there on-line including the Emulation Ritual, the Scottish Ritual, one of the several U.S. rituals and even the ritual of the Order of the Palm and Shell which I gave to them to make available. To access this site you must belong to a Lodge recognized by the United Grand Lodge of England.





Is "Etidorphia" on that list?


Dunno...did you see it on the list?



Persoanlly, I feel that this book has recieved the "OK" by the higher ups in masonry. But it still should be a interesting read.


Probably.

One of the most beautiful things about Masonry, though is that there are no "higher ups" who approve or disprove what's written about it. There's not a committee that pre-approves (or post-approves for that matter) things written by Freemasons about Freemasonry.






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[edit on 17-4-2005 by senrak]



posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by senrak
One of the most beautiful things about Masonry, though is that there are no "higher ups" who approve or disprove what's written about it. There's not a committee that pre-approves (or post-approves for that matter) things written by Freemasons about Freemasonry.


That's just the thing: the misconception of "higher ups" in masonry MAKES NO SENSE. Can anyone name a fraternity that has had any kind of "higher-ups"? Elected officers are one thing, but members with actual "rank" is another. They do not exist in fraternities.


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posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Should be interesting to see the reaction of our beloved brothers LOL LOL

I can hear it now, this guy is a nut case LOL LOL

"The master of the lodge, wore an elaborate V-shaped collar of blue and white, the floor was covered in a white shroud, and the five-pointed star was shining on the eastern wall of the room, illuminating a skull and two crossed thigh bones. "

Scull & Bones, sounds familar



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Why would you think they would say that? Hahaha... Sounds to me like you didn't get what you werte looking for with this post.

www.thelodgeroom.com...

Yeah, it sure looks like they're pissed!


That's why one of the most popular Masonic websites is pretty much promoting the book! It's right on the first pagge of the website! Ha! you really crack me up, ASE.

Some more info about the book:

turningthehiramkey.robertlomas.com...

Oh and ASE, the skull and crossbones is a symbol of the mortality of Man.



posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 11:48 PM
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What does it mean if you don't believe in mortality?

Then do the Skull and Cross bones represent control over all that have fear?

Its so stupid to say it represents mortality.

NO! Its an actual skull, its actually a dead person, it shows you your skull without consciousness is nothing, but that your consciousness never dies.



posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by akilles
Its so stupid to say it represents mortality.

I don't know about it being stupid to say a skull represents death.


NO! Its an actual skull, its actually a dead person

I can see how it can represent something other than death, but wouldn't there have to be something else to indicate that? I mean, its a symbol, a symbol has to be interpreted, it isn't actually the thing it represents, so what makes it fear in this case, rather than mortality?



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by akilles
What does it mean if you don't believe in mortality?


Everyone dies, akilles, or are you someone special? Do you believe in immortality?


Then do the Skull and Cross bones represent control over all that have fear?




No. Although it might perhaps to an immortal. Do you know any?


Its so stupid to say it represents mortality.


Freemasonry is a peculiar system of morality, veiled in allegory and ILLUSTRATED BY SYMBOLS.

Duh.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by akilles
What does it mean if you don't believe in mortality?


It means you should pay a LOT more attention to what's going on around you. I was the Coroner's assistant for several years...believe me mortality is a REAL thing.

If you live long enough....you're going to die.

Perhaps you don't believe in IMmortality...but that's not what the skull symbolizes anyway...



Its so stupid to say it represents mortality.


Well, there you have it! But to be honest I don't believe the compilers of Masonic ritual would have really cared that you think that....I don't imagine many (read: ANY) Masons really care that you think that either. If fact I doubt the ritual will be changed any time soon and certainly not because you think that's stupid.

But thank you for sharing that bitter opinion of yours.





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posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by akilles
What does it mean if you don't believe in mortality?


Uhhhhhh... *scratches head and looks perplexed* How could you not?


Then do the Skull and Cross bones represent control over all that have fear?


How do you see that? Seriously, I am asking you to explain how you derive that meaning from this symbol.


Its so stupid to say it represents mortality.


Must... resist...


NO! Its an actual skull, its actually a dead person, it shows you your skull without consciousness is nothing, but that your consciousness never dies.


Ummmm... that pretty much sums up how it symbolizes mortality there, genius. You know, eternity of the soul and all?


You really should think before you post.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by The Axeman

Then do the Skull and Cross bones represent control over all that have fear?


How do you see that? Seriously, I am asking you to explain how you derive that meaning from this symbol.


He thinks this only because of the Skull and bones fraternity, which he believes controls American through fear and intimidation, or something stupid like that. It's the pinnacle of ignorance.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by The Axeman

Then do the Skull and Cross bones represent control over all that have fear?


How do you see that? Seriously, I am asking you to explain how you derive that meaning from this symbol.


He thinks this only because of the Skull and bones fraternity, which he believes controls American through fear and intimidation, or something stupid like that. It's the pinnacle of ignorance.


I know, I just wanted to give him another opportunity to ignore discussion in favor of trolling.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 04:29 PM
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This is why symbols need to have a context to be understood.

Without the symbol of the Acacia to modify it,
the skull and crossed bones only state the obvious.

The human body is mortal and someday will die.

The Acacia speaks of the immortality of the soul.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 04:33 PM
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Sorry folks for leaving the thread, life does continue.........

Now, about those scull & bones


The symbol may have been used in the deep past but for the folks Ill start with the pirates of old. Did they not use the "Jolly Roger(Scull & cross bones)" as a banner? Were they what you might call "Charitable"? Would you want a pirate to guard your money? Were they not mercinaries for some goverments?

Next we have the Nazis using the scull & cross bones on thier insignia (The Deaths Head) Do I have to go into the pure evil of this organization?

Then we have the good old U.S. of A.'s version, The Scull&Bones frat. Just a bunch of guys having fun. Hmmmmmmmmm

I remember when I was young some bottles had the Jolly Roger, the Deaths Head, the Scull&Bones on them. It signified poison!!!!

Now, freemasons have the same symbol.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Now, about those scull & bones
*SNIP*


Gently down the thread...

This is a scull:




dictionary.com
A long oar used at the stern of a boat and moved from side to side to propel the boat forward.
One of a pair of short-handled oars used by a single rower.
A small light racing boat for one, two, or four rowers, each using a pair of sculls.


This is a skull:




dictionary.com
The bony or cartilaginous framework of the head of vertebrates, made up of the bones of the braincase and face; cranium.
Informal. The head, regarded as the seat of thought or intelligence: Use your skull and solve the problem.
A death's-head.


Please make note and govern yourself accordingly.

Rowing Monkeys, not just for brain scans anymore...



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