Originally posted by DeltaChaos
I believe that America is in for a run for it's money here in not a so distant future.
- I agree that the USA is, unwittingly, probably doing everything it can at the moment to ensure this happens.
I do not agree that this has to end up in conflict.
First, I know this about Putin: Putin was a very accomplished and decorated member, and eventually the leader of a group of men and women whose
task and purpose in life it was to utterly hate and destroy America. The training and mindstate of these men and women that facilitated this hatred
for America is strong to the point that it could not be overcome by a simple shift in global focus.
Putin hates America with every fiber of his being, and though he is a highly skilled diplomat and statesman, he is still a spy. A spy of the highest
caliber, who will always attempt to convince others that he is what he actually is not.
- I'm sorry but IMO this is just risible nonsense.
Putin was a senior KGB official. Just like the 'spy chief' in any other country his principle concern was his own country.
I just do not buy this silly nonsensical conjecture, IMO his life did not and never has revolved around a hatred of any country, least of all the
Where do you get this stuff from?
What is China waiting for? What they have always been waiting for. A very opportune moment to move to strike. China would not choose to engage
in a long, protracted war, but would rather do its business in a very overwhelming and deliberate way.
- Hmmm, paranoia seems to run deep in this post.
Maybe China is doing what China really
always does, stay local, be patient, attempt to negotiate her problems and take a long term view that
involves a time frame that comes from being in existance for at least 4 or 5 millenia rather than just over a mere 200yrs+.
I believe that both leaderships of Russia and China know that to take on the might of America would be difficult, but I also can see how they
would notice that we are waning socially and economically, which I believe is a being facilitated intentionally as a prepatory phase of
- The only people "intentionally facilitating" a US economic decline are the dingbats in charge of the US economy who, rather childishly, seem to
think they can go on with their grotesque borrowing (from the rest of the world) binge indefinitely and never face the consequences.
We will effectively have lost our motivation and spirit to a great degree.'
- Do you mean when the economic chickens come home to roost your right-wing leaders will be exposed as the liars and destroyers they actually are?
How is this anyone else's fault?
If I am right, and China and Russia do wish us harm and attempt to cause it, who will win? Somewhat of a rhetorical question, but I don't
believe that blind patriotism without the benefit of reason can be a logical defense at this point.
- Why assume it is in Russia or China's interest to "do you harm"?
They, like everyone else, have an interest in seeing the USA economically stable and peaceable, not
paranoidly seeing threats all around them
(despite there being not a single credible one.....go look at how the USA has just about outspent every military budget in the world combined for
Duuuuh!), or at war with them or doing anything to disrupt the trade all benefit from.
Powers shift. Influence shifts. All in due time. America will not last forever, just like all other great societies have fallen before us. The
brightest flame burns quickest, and we should remember the lessons others have learned.
- Yeah but it doesn't have to be that way.
You could attempt to live up to the ideals your leaders once had (even some of the right-wing ones) where the world genuinely entered into a period of
peaceful cooperation without anyone attempting to dominate.
A situation the world has never seen before and where notions of loss of power as before become moot.
The question is, when inevitabilty rears its ugly head, will we stand and fight together for America, or will we fall divided? We still have a
- I think this is an utterly false choice, admittedly one some in the USA are hell-bent on trying to force the American people into making but still
in the end a pointless appeal to the US people to give themselves over to their worst instincts and paranoia.
.....and if they do then maybe all these terrible predictions will come true as the innate self-harming and ultimately suicidal nature of such
paranoid 'thinking' becomes apparant.
....oh, and beyond all the sadly funny rhetoric you've yet to give us anything that backs up your proposition that the Russians and Chinese are
colluding for war to bring about a US downfall.
Shall we all sing 'Nobody loves me' now?
[edit on 17-4-2005 by sminkeypinkey]