posted on May, 17 2005 @ 01:37 PM
To the guy with the Che Guerva pic, please know that he lead an old man out of a village and beat him to death with a steel rod. And you call us
Like the other guy said, we need strong concrete facts. In Nazi Germany, you had specific reports, like there was a book burning in Berlin on such and
such a date, or Mr. Schwartz's store was broken in during Crystalknacht. So far we have very murky evidence. We'll let's go:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are
flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
You had celebrities saying enough of the patriotism after 9/11, A majority DON'T follow them, but you did have a large portion of Americans saying
right on. Ed Harris, Martin Sheen, Jeannene Garrafalo, were big lower the rhetoric guys after 9/11. You have popular figures like Ward Churchill, Noam
Chomsky, and Michael Moore saying America is corrupt. Yet they are still free and are making tons of money off of it.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases
because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of
Are you kidding me? We have more civil rights than anywhere in the world! You have the ACLU trying to get a NAMBLA child murder off the hook. Even the
al Qaeda fighters in Gitmo are living better than they've ever been. You can't say that given the lethal injection to John Malvo, a killer of over a
dozen people, is torture and immoral?
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious
minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
The press refuses to call terrorists terrorists. They refer to them as hijackers, insurgents, freedom fighters, THE REVOULUTION! but never terrorists.
The only people called terrorists are LA cops that shot at a armed drug dealer trying to run them over.
4. Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is
neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
The number one budget item are Great Society programs, welfare and social security. The military gets very little funding. As far as glamorizing the
military, Abu Gharib anyone? We are occupiers, not liberators promoted by Ted Kennedy in the Senate?
5. Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid.
Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
Hillary Clinton or Condoleeza Rice? Oppostion to abortion is not sexism either. Some feminist say that abortion let's men off easy and promotes men
to abuse women. Also the Supreme Court ruled that there is a right to homosexual sodomy in the constituiton. So you are way off there.
6. Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes the media are directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media are indirectly controlled by government regulation, or
sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
You have no facts here. Dan Rather anyone? How about the current Newsweek story. Abu Gharib is out in the open. You have Richard Clarke and Paul Oneal
writing books. Every watched the evening news? Tom Brokaw ran a segment about the Bush draft before the election based on a spam email. Everytime you
turn on nightline, you get a deluge of CIA Agents just saying WRONG WAR, WRONG PLACE, WRONG TIME. Jon Stewart (the most pop news anchor for young
people) is always pushing the same idea of the facists are taking over. Sat. Night Live always starts off with Iraq is a Mess or Bush is an idiot.
7. Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
Okay, you had Code Pink making fun of the terror alerts. And what are we motivating? Where are we going with the terror threats?
Also Far. 9/11 came out saying the same thing. A lot of people believe it despite its outright lies.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and
terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or
You are way off here. Nazi Germany hated religion. Also we have a huge secular movement here. Remember when police removed the ten commandments from a
courtroom here in the US? Or Terry Schiavo?
9. Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually
beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
The SEC has sent Enron, WorldComm, Martha Stewart and the Adelphia guys to prision. They crack down and impose huge healthcare, enviromental, and tax
regulations. The FCC has been very unfriendly to big business.
The only way we promote coporations is by protecting property rights (not letting You form a mob to steal the rich person's TV) and intellectual
property, like a patent's office.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely
Wrong again. The Nazis had huge support from the labor Unions. Also the Unions force workers into paying dues, which they use to promote their own
interests despite what the workers want.
The AARP has commercials running all the time against Soc. Security reform. AFSCME said private accounts are bad, depsite the fact that their members
don't pay soc. sec. (same with the NEA). And how is Bush suppresing Unions? By changing a minute overtime rule?
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics
to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
Who's being arrested? Sami al Aryian? I think that would have something to do with him raising money for Hamas and Islamic Jihad.
Also, look at Ward Churchill, Gore Vidal, Noam Chomsky, and a lot others. They are grading students on politics instead of academics. Remember those
pictures of Bush groping Condoleeza?
I guess you must considered denying taxpayer money to a guy who pisses in a cup and puts an upside down cross in it oppression.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even
forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations
ACLU fights police abuses, even if they are not there they would make them up. If you are talking about the Patriotic Act, please tell me the last
specific time it was used.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental
power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to
be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
Excuse me but corruption is everywhere in any government. Look at Bill Clinton. He made millions off the presidency. Every makes tons of money by
being in the spotlight. Here we have much less than in Cuba or Mexico, but it will always be part of it. It's human nature.
14. Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of
opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations
also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Sham. Please provide proof. Assanianation? What? And for smear campaigns, they happen on both sides. Look at Kitty Kelly, Paul Begala, Michael Moore,
and so on.
As far as the judicieries, we followed the rule of law and had a peaceful exchange of power. It was a close election and Al Gore agreed. He stepped
down voluntary instead of dragging the US through the mud (which you would delight in) and he should be applauded for it.
[edit on 17-5-2005 by lukethedrifter]