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There has been recent evidence in a training exercise that that Indian Sukhoi's had gotten 90% of their American counterparts in in exercises during operation Cope Thunder.
The reasons for the drubbing have gone largely unexplained and been misunderstood, according to those based here with the 3rd Wing who participated. Two major factors stand out: None of the six 3rd Wing F-15Cs was equipped with the newest long-range, active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars. These Raytheon APG-63(V)2 radars were designed to find small and stealthy targets. At India's request, the U.S. agreed to mock combat at 3-to-1 odds and without the use of simulated long-range, radar-guided AIM-120 Amraams that even the odds with beyond-visual-range kills.
Generally the combat scenario was to have four F-15s flying at any time against about 12 Indian aircraft. While the U.S. pilots normally train to four versus 12, that takes into account at least two of the U.S. aircraft having AESA radar and being able to make the first, beyond-visual-range shots. For the exercise, both sides restricted long-range shots.
"That's what the Indians wanted to do," Snowden says. "That [handicap] really benefits a numerically superior force because you can't whittle away some of their force at long range. They were simulating active missiles [including] AA-12s." This means the missile has its own radar transmitter and doesn't depend on the launch aircraft's radar after launch. With the older AA-10 Alamo, the launching fighter has to keep its target illuminated with radar so the U.S. pilots would know when they were being targeted. But with the AA-12, they didn't know if they had been targeted. The Mirage 2000s carried the active Mica missile. Aerospace industry officials said that some of the radars the U.S. pilots encountered, including that of the Mirage 2000s, exhibited different characteristics than those on standard versions of the aircraft.
The Indians flew a number of different fighters, including the French-made Mirage 2000 and the Russian-made MIG-27 and MIG-29, but the two most formidable IAF aircraft proved to be the MIG-21 Bison, an upgraded version of the Russian-made baseline MIG-21, and the SU-30K Flanker, also made in Russia, Neubeck said. He emphasized the fact that U.S. forces were always outnumbered in these scenarios, but said the missions proved more difficult than expected.
...but the two most formidable IAF aircraft proved to be the MIG-21 Bison, an upgraded version of the Russian-made baseline MIG-21, and the SU-30K Flanker...
Originally posted by eurofighter
Do you think that there is or will ever be a formidable non-us airplane that can beat the F-15 and F-16 in the near future........
......The Eurofighter is comparable to the F-15 and F-16.
What gives the USAF it's biggest advantage is training and tactics, along with excellent AEW, tanker, and C3I support. Not just the capabilities of it's airframes, but the whole package.
Originally posted by xmotex
There's a lot of hardware out there now that is capable of going toe to toe with the F-16 and F-15. The Mig-29, Su-27/30, late models of Mirage 2000, the Eurofighter, Rafale, Gripen, J-10 - all are viable threats to the Eagle & Falcon, other factors being equal.
The US Air Force claims the F-15C is in several respects inferior to, or at best equal to, the MiG-29, Su-27, Su-35/37, Rafale, and EF-2000, which are variously superior in acceleration, maneuverability, engine thrust, rate of climb, avionics, firepower, radar signature, or range. Although the F-15C and Su-27P series are similar in many categories, the Su-27 can outperform the F-15C at both long and short ranges. In long-range encounters, with its superiorr radar the Su-27 can launch a missile before the F-15C does, so from a purely kinematic standpoint, the Russian fighters outperform the F-15C in the beyond-visual-range fight. The Su-35 phased array radar is superior to the APG-63 Doppler radar in both detection range and tracking capabilities. Additionally, the Su-35 propulsion system increases the aircraft’s maneuverability with thrust vectoring nozzles.
Simulations conducted by British Aerospace and the British Defense Research Agency compared the effectiveness of the F-15C against the Russian Su-35 armed with active radar missiles similar to the AIM-120 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM). The F-15C, losing 1.3 Eagles for each Su-35 destroyed.
Originally posted by Harlequin
read the specs - it can detect fighter sized targets at 120km`s , and can track 4 targets at the same time - it is also armed with AMRAAM and soon to be Meteor. So it is a very capable BVR fighter
Originally posted by Harlequin
a moot point , as both are armed with AMRAAM , so missile ranges are very similar.