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Birth Control Bill

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posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 12:42 PM
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For the people that are having problems getting some Pharmacies to fill their birth control Pills. Now the Congress is looking into passing a bill to protect the rights of the patient to get their prescriptions filled.



Reports of pharmacists with particular religious and moral beliefs denying prescriptions for birth control have prompted legislation that would ensure all prescriptions are filled.


We know that some people have moral issue due to their believes and birth control.

In my opinion a prescribe drug or medication including birth control should never be a moral issue in a third party, when it comes to patient and doctors relationship and treatments.

www.cnn.com...




posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 12:51 PM
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Where does it end? These same wackos get upset when a woman aborts a pregnancy. They get upset when a woman wants to take preventive measures by using birth control. What will make you all happy? Nothing. Zilch. Piss off!!!@!!!#!@!@!!!!



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Bangin
What will make you all happy?


When you stop sinning against God



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 04:55 PM
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Being a Pharmacist comes with certain obligations: dispensing prescribed medication. If a person has a moral issue fulfilling that duty, then they should move on to a less morally challenging profession like stockboy or register if they can handle ringing up the condoms with a snicker bar.

Also, when I get my perscription filled for my birth control pills, it's not anyone's business but mine what I take them for. I could take them to regulate periods, I could take them to prevent a high risk pregnancy, I could take them to reduce cramping, or even clear up my skin. I might even be taking them so I can have sex with my boyfriend and not get pregnant. Maybe I'm sleeping with the whole damn neighborhood. It's not the pharmacists business to know or make any moral judgements of me or my medication.

These people need to snap out of the hate and quit forcing their moral judgements on others.

As for sinning against god - thats my business with god and not with the pharmacist. You worry about your sins, I'll worry about mine.



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 04:56 PM
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got news for you croat even that photo of that guy in your avatar promots a form of birth control call the rythem meathed . Where in the bibal do it say using birth control would be a Sin After all birth control DOESENT kill a baby it keeps it from ever happing to begine with stoping the overys from forming eggs. In conclusion with birth controle your not even killing an egg .
your not killing anything your just inturpting the cycly of creating eggs and when birth control is stoped the the overys go back to making eggs .
this is more of and intermission then anything else .The egg that would have been made during brith control is made after birth control is stoped .



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by Simcity4Rushour
...it keeps it from ever happing to begine with stoping the overys from forming eggs. In conclusion with birth controle your not even killing an egg .
your not killing anything your just inturpting the cycly of creating eggs and when birth control is stoped the the overys go back to making eggs .
this is more of and intermission then anything else .The egg that would have been made during brith control is made after birth control is stoped .


Let's be clear
A woman is born with the ovum she will have until death. The ovaries aren't making eggs at the point when women are taking birth control. The pill prevents ovulation itself - the release of the ovum from the ovary. It does not kill ovum or delay their production, just their release.

Taking the pill or birth control hormones for a long period of time can show health benefits in women including decreased rates of uterine and cervical cancer. Menstruation is hard on the body, and if you go several months on continuous hormones, you won't have a period, and reduce your risks.



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 05:14 PM
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yes redballon thats what i was trying to wright my spelling bites lol.



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 07:33 PM
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I am glad that the government in this case is steeping to put a stop to the agenda that some people following a religious agenda is set to do.

Morals are a personal matter between the person and his beliefs, is not the business of anybody around to tell others how and what to do with those beliefs.

I am very pleased that when it comes to a doctors relationship between him and the trust of the patient is respected by third parties.

Can you imagine if we let this go to far? then If I work in pharmacy and believe that asthma is not real but mental I will feel morally responsible to denied a patient his medication. Right?

How about hart medication? or any other medication.

When is morality an issue? and who dictated what is morally right and who is morally wrong?

And since when third parties wants to regulate womens ovaries and uterus?

Next thing we will have girls with chastity belts attach to their bodies so they don't sin. Right?

It has to be a line between people that wants to regulate others people's private lives.



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 08:21 PM
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I agree with Marg, I'm very glad to see action being taken in Congress about this issue. I also believe that several larger chains of drugstores (I'm not sure which ones) already have guidelines in place that state if you refuse to fill a prescription, you must hand it off to someone who can fill it.



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
In my opinion a prescribe drug or medication including birth control should never be a moral issue in a third party, when it comes to patient and doctors relationship and treatments.

www.cnn.com...



That's the same arguement so many people who committed attrocities have used in the past. They were just following orders. Just because the government tells you it's alright, or they tell you not to worry about it, you're just the middle man, doesn't mean you shouldn't still have a moral issue with helping it out. Would you have abused Iraqi prisoners if some General told you to?



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 09:49 PM
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Birth control promotes sex befor marriage and casual sex. The one birth control that is okay is when you are married you have sex on the day in the womens cycle that she is least likely to get pregnant.

See its a sin. Now stop sinning you sinful sinners



posted on Apr, 16 2005 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Croat56
Birth control promotes sex befor marriage and casual sex.


Let's take this argument a step further to include everything that *supposedly* can promote sex before marriage and casual sex:

music videos
music with lyrics
radio
TV
superbowl halftime shows
Catholic school girl uniforms
oysters
wine
hard liquor
beer
backseats in cars
hotels
miniskirts
high heels
bars
high school
college
college dorms
lipstick
chocolate
the internet
dating services
condoms
spring days
wartime
military uniforms
viagra
green m&ms
blonde hair
makeup
king size beds
culture
sex ed programs in school
diaphrams
cervical caps
tight jeans
IUDs
dancing
RU486
depression
summer festivals
musicians
movies

If you think these things are sins, stay away from them. They couldn't *possibly* have any other uses besides promoting casual sex, could they? If you think using birth control is sinning, don't use it and be sure to adopt a few premature crack babies who are routinely beaten by mom because she couldn't get birth control. Keep your cross outta my crotch.



posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 11:25 PM
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My view on sex. Yes I know it's a strong urge. Yeah it does feel great.

Ideally, don't have sex with someone you aren't going to make a commitment to. Sex is used like a recreational drug or something. I think if we worked toward the ideal of waiting till you are married then we might not have these uncared for babies and so many problems with STDs. It might sound like a religious outcry, it can be, but it is also a good thing for our society. Ideally we should focus on strong relationships, instead of just running around with a woody and condom for any girl that catches our eye. Strong relationship and commitment first, then sex. Sex is better with someone you really care about.

And Hell, I know sex feels good. I've had premarital sexual relations before, but I also know it can create problems. Guilty, I am guilty. But I am not blind.

And if you are going to have sex, and you don't want kids, then use protection. Put on the condom, do what you gotta do. I'm a bit at odds on birth controll pills because of the potential side effects. But make sure to protect yourself. No sense in bringing kids into the world that are not cared for.

troy



posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 11:33 PM
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Don't want to perform abortions? Don't work in an abortion clinic. Don't want to pracitce medecine because its against god's will, don't become a doctor. Don't want to sell bith control pills because you are morally opposed, don't become a pharmacist. Shouldn't be that difficult no?



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 12:16 AM
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personaly i don't care if someone sells birth controll or not. remember YOU as the consumer can shop anywhere you please. if a store does not have what you want you do have the choice to go where they have it. no one is going to stop you. if a certain phamacy does not handle birth controll just go buy it elsewhere.

if a variety store decided not to sell cigarettes, many who do not smoke would in fact praise the store for not making it available being bad for your heath and all. i doubt that congress would step in and force the sale of tobaco. if they decide not to sell beer (where they legaly can of course), same thing. it is the RIGHT of a store owner to sell what they want. if a store does not sell the brand of potato chips you prefer you can not force them to sell them, all you can do is ask if they would start. YOU do not have the right to demand it that is up to the store owner. a store has the right to sell what they want, the consumer has the choice to shop where they want.

the only reason that there should be interferance is if there is NO OTHER PHARMACY that carries it. then i would consider it propper to have a phamacy special order it in for you. note this does not mean that they should have to carry it, just to bring it in on a request. many phamacies use this for medication that is not normaly despenced there. my mother has to have certain medicins to live and typicaly it takes a day or so to get some, in fact the local pharmacy keeps some for her in case of an emergency.

can you not even buy it over the internet? if so then why should they have to carry something that is against their beleifs. how would a vegitarian like it if someone told them they had to cary seal blubber because someone might want to buy some? or perhapse you should be required to cary kosher food because a jewish person may happen by and want some?

come on we are not talking about life or death here. we are talking choice. would you like the government to make the decision on what every store should and should not stock? mabe even set the prices for you? i seriously doubt it. like i said before if a store does not cary what you want YOU have the choice to shop elsewhere. do not let the government start to whittle down yet more private rights. once you set the president what is to stop them from telling everyone what they may and may not sell. maybe they will decide that all stores must sell hard core porn. you must admit that there is a maket for it.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by junglejake

Originally posted by marg6043
In my opinion a prescribe drug or medication including birth control should never be a moral issue in a third party, when it comes to patient and doctors relationship and treatments.

www.cnn.com...



That's the same arguement so many people who committed attrocities have used in the past. They were just following orders. Just because the government tells you it's alright, or they tell you not to worry about it, you're just the middle man, doesn't mean you shouldn't still have a moral issue with helping it out. Would you have abused Iraqi prisoners if some General told you to?



Sorry but refusing to dispense medication because a person subscribes to a certain brand of mythology that holds such action to somehow conflict with a paradigm of said mythology is a far cry from actively terrorizing another human being. And yes the pharmacist should follow orders...that's what they do. And just for the record many women take birthconrtrol in order to regulate their menses not keep them from getting pregnant. So in fact a pharmacist who refuses to dispense these meds could actually be doing harm. Kind of a conflict with christian mythology and its' commandments.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 02:20 PM
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wonder what would happen if all these pharmacies decided to fire the pharmisists for refusing to serve their customers. would we then be hearing about the poor christians being persecuted?


some people are taking these pills for genuine health problems, and the pharmisists are compormising their health by refusing...
it's not just all about fullfilling people's sex drive!!!



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 02:23 PM
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1.) Employee did not notify management that this was not something they could ethically perform at the time of incident.

2.) Employer apparently did not ask if said Pharmacist during hiring interview if he had difficulty dispensing any medication for any reason.

What sucks about the whole situation is congress gets to make a 'moral decision' on something that's not a moral issue thereby giving corporations another 'powerplay' to use on employees who don't do everything they say. It's an issue of communication between employer and employee. This should be totally null set and tossed out with the idea that the government can say where a person can and cannot pray. I can't believe I'm paying taxes for a bunch a people to sit around and discuss this as a 'legal' issue.




[edit on 18-4-2005 by saint4God]



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 02:35 PM
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Sorry drogo, in most of the cases that the perscriptions have not been filled, the Pharmacist's have also gone so far as refusing to return the perscription back to the customer thus holding forcing their "moral values" upon the customer as well as causing the consumer to have to again go back to get a new perscription from a doctor (have you tried to get a dr's appointment lately?) Last I heard, their actions are against the law. which is why there have been at least 2 Pharmacists fired.


Croat56
I agree with you in form but I have a problem with unilateral statements like the ones that you made.
I am married and have been for over 15 years now. You can only guess at when a woman's menstrual cycle will kick in. If you miss time it... then there maybe a problem. In my case, we (my wife and I) have agreed not to have anymore children due to medical problems. So by your definition, we who were married in a church are now sinning...... hmm I don't think that the church would agree with you there.
Also consider rapes, medical issues etc. to make blanket statements that it is sinning is wrong.
Remember... Judge not lest ye shall be judged.

[edit on 18-4-2005 by kenshiro2012]



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 02:49 PM
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You know I as a married woman for 24 year I had not problem with birth control child bearing and abortion.

I have seen how all this issues has become priority in the last few years. I had my birth control when I need it and nobody chastised me for it, I had my children when I was ready and when abortion was an issue for anybody I knew I never saw anybody chastising anybody either.

I see things going from better to worst when it comes to pushing morality and moral views upon others.

Topics like fertility and birth control, abortion and the kind are private issues, birth control has given women and their spouses the freedom of choosing when to procreated.

The only reason I see such a big deal about birth control is because is a woman choice and in this time and age women are seen as a piece of property that needs to be control.

"We have come a long way baby" and we are still fighting.




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