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The Case for Roswell: Part III (Section E)

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posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 09:16 AM
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THE CASE FOR ROSWELL PART III

The Timeline of Events
Section D

Part I can be seen here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Part II can be seen here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Part III, Section A can be seen here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Part III, Section B can be seen here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Part III, Section C can be seen here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Part III, Section D can be seen here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Again, fair warning that this is going to be a long read…but I wanted to be very thorough. I’d highly recommend reading the first parts before going on, as there is no recapping here…
This last section of Part III continues with the hectic day of the press release and the now infamous headlines, and then the cover story. Part IV (hopefully this won’t be more than one thread) will then deal with the immediate aftermath of the event, as well as aftermath throughout the years. I hope that you are as blown away as I was while finding it, by the information in this section.

Tuesday. July 8.1947

At 6:00 A.M. Marcel and Cavitt visit with Blanchard in his quarters and tell him what they have seen. This is according to countless interviews with Marcel.

Blanchard calls the provost marshal and orders him to post guards on the roads around the debris field, denying access to anyone without official business. Easley is directed to locate Brazel and have him escort the MPs to the crash site. This military cordon is supported by various sources, including the “Ramey Memo”. (as well as the acknowledgement that this NEW find means more than one site)



A staff meeting was called on how to deal with the situation. A major recovery operation at the ranch was ordered, which is alluded to in the Ramey message when it mentions new finds, including victims, "NEAR OPERATION AT THE 'RANCH'"

A military cordon was also set up to seal off the area, particularly north of Roswell along highway 285, blocking all access roads to the west. This cordon is likewise mentioned in the Ramey memo. "A 'DISK'" was the "NEXT NEW FIND WEST OF THE CORDON."



Map provided for illustration purposes, should note that as mentioned in earlier threads, Kaufmann is regarded as a fraud by most (myself included), however his crash site and the military cordon are supported by other witnesses, so this map is a fairly decent illustration of this. Ragsdale is also an unreliable witness. The sites shown as 2 and 3 (or near those 2) seem to be the most supported for the craft recovery site...with site 1 being a definite for debris.

William Moody’s testimony (mentioned in earlier threads) and others’ reinforces the fact that a military cordon was in place. Because both sites would be accessed by the same roads, it’s difficult to determine which cordon is being referred to by many (i.e. the one from the July 4th late recovery of the main craft, or the July 8th recovery of the Brazel site debris) Going through all of this again, I noticed the days given mean Moody encountered the blockade on the 8th, not the late 4th/early 5th blockade.



(8) My father knew the territory, all its roads, and many of the people very well, so two or three days later (definitely not the next day), he decided to look for the object. He took me with him in our old flatbed truck. We headed north through Roswell on U.S. 285. About 19 miles north of town, where the highway crosses the Macho Draw, we saw at least one uniformed soldier stationed beside the road. As we drove along, we saw more sentries and Army vehicles. They were stationed at all places -- ranch roads, crossroads, etc.--where there was access to leave the highway and drive east or west, and they were armed, some with rifles, others with sidearms. I do not remember seeing any military activity on the ranchland beyond the highway right of way.

(9) We stopped at one sentry post, and my father asked a soldier what was going on. The soldier, who's attitude was very nice, just said his orders were not to let anyone leave 285 and go into the countryside.

(10) As we drove north, we saw that the Corona road (State 247), which runs west from Highway 285, was blocked by soldiers. We went on as far as Ramon, about nine miles north of the 247 intersection. There were sentries there, too. At Ramon we turned around and head south and home.

(11) I remember my father saying he thought the Army was looking for something it had tracked on its way down. He may have gotten this from the soldier he spoke with during our drive up 285, but I am not sure.

(12) I also recall that two neighbors, both now dead, stopped by and told my father they had seen the same object we had seen. One said others in his family had seen it too. There were many rumors about flying saucers that summer, and I recall the weather balloon story, explaining away the report of a flying saucer crash near Corona. This seemed reasonable to us at the time.


Blanchard calls Eighth Air Force headquarters and advises them of the new find. By this time no one believes the material is from a Soviet device. The following is testimony from the affidavit of newspaper editor for the Roswell Morning Dispatch. Art McQuiddy, a close friend of Blanchard. (this affidavit will be in it’s entirety later in this post)



(8) Colonel William H. ("Butch") Blanchard, commander of RAAF and its 509th Bomb Group, was a good friend of mine. We often got together for a drink and off the record discussions of base-town relations and the like. After the flying saucer incident, I tried several times to get Blanchard to tell me the real story, but he repeatedly refused to talk about it.

(9) About three or four months after the event, when we were a bit more "relaxed" than usual, I tried again. Blanchard reluctantly admitted he had authorized the press release. Then, as best I remember, he said, "I will tell you this and nothing more. The stuff I saw, I've never seen anyplace else in my life." That was all he would say, and he never told me anything else about the matter,


Doesn’t sound like he saw a balloon to me…


Eighth Air Force relays the message up the chain of command to SAC headquarters.

The regular morning staff meeting is moved up to 7:30 A.M. Blanchard discusses the new find and its possible disposition. Attending the meeting are Marcel and Cavitt; Lieutenant Colonel James I. Hopkins, the operations officer; Major Patrick Saunders, the base adjutant; Major Isidore Brown, the personnel officer; and Lieutenant Colonel Ulysses S. Nero, the supply officer. There is reason to believe that Lieutenant Colonel Charles W Horton, Lieutenant Colonel Fernand L. Andry; Lieutenant Walter Haut, and Master Sergeant Lewis Rickett may have also been there.

Whitmore, his wire-recorded interview with Brazel completed, takes Brazel out to the military base.

At 9:00 A.M. Cavitt and Rickett, having returned from assignment in Carlsbad, drive a staff car to the impact site, followed by MPs. They are stopped by the guards who are still posted. When they arrive, they see that a small containment of debris remains (cleanup had already largely been done) which Rickett is allowed to examine.



Rickett remembered seeing only the foil-like debris and mentioned its peculiar characteristics of unusual lightness and strength. He also said, "There wasn't very much of it, maybe 40 or 50 small pieces." – Pflock




"The MP's, four or five in the first group, were close to the gouge. There were 25 or 30 others scattered around the perimeter. The Provost Marshall didn't want anyone just wandering up on it." – Master Sergeant Lewis Rickett, Randle and Schmidt interview


Whitmore of KGFL receives a phone call from Washington. He is told not to air the interview with Mac Brazel. If he does, the station will lose its broadcast license.

Blanchard and members of the staff confer by phone with higher headquarters. Brigadier General Roger Ramey orders Marcel to Fort Worth.
Military officers begin to interrogate Mac Brazel. He is taken to the guest house.

At 11:00 A.M. Walter Haut finishes the press release he'd been ordered to write and is preparing to take it into town. He takes it first to one of the radio stations. By noon he has given a copy of the release to both radio stations and to both daily newspapers. This is where we get the famous Roswell Daily Record headline…



The affidavit of Arthur McQuiddy, editor of the Roswell Morning Dispatch (the other newspaper in town)



(1) My name is Arthur R. McQuiddy

(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX

(3) I am employed as: __________________________________,( ) retired

(4) In July 1947, I was editor of the Roswell Morning Dispatch, one of the
two newspapers here at the time. In 1948, I left the paper to become public relations director of the New Mexico Oil and Gas Association and later joined U.S. Stell as director of media relations. About eleven years ago I returned to Roswell after retiring as senior vice president for corporate relations at International Harvester.

(5) Just before noon one day early in July 1947, Walter Haut, the public relations officer at Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF), brough a press release to me in the Dispatch office. The release said a crashed flying saucer had een found, taken to RAAF, and sent on to another base.

(6) Haut had been to the two local radio stations, KGFL and KSWS, before coming to the Dispatch, so I gave him a bad time about that. Haut said the base policy was to rotate who got releases first to make sure everyone got a ir shake. We were a morning apper, so our edition for that day had long since hit the street, but I was disappointed at not being able to break the story on the Associated Press wire. George Walsh, the program manager at KSWS, had already moved the story on AP.

(7) Not long after Haut left, a call came from RAAF. The caller said the release was incorrect, that what had been though to be the wreckage of a flying saucer was actually the remains of a radiosonde balloon. However, the AP wire story had gotten the world's attention. I spent the rest of the afternoon taking long distance calls from overseas news editors. I remember calls from Rome, London, Paris, and Hong Kong.

(8) Colonel William H. ("Butch") Blanchard, commander of RAAF and its 509th Bomb Group, was a good friend of mine. We often got together for a drink and off the record discussions of base-town relations and the like. After the flying saucer incident, I tried several times to get Blanchard to tell me the real story, but he repeatedly refused to talk about it.

(9) About three or four months after the event, when we were a bit more "relaxed" than usual, I tried again. Blanchard reluctantly admitted he had authorized the press release. Then, as best I remember, he said, "I will tell you this and nothing more. The stuff I saw, I've never seen anyplace else in my life." That was all he would say, and he never told me anything else about the matter,

(10) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: Arthur R. McQuiddy
Oct. 19, 1993

Signature witnessed by:
Charlotte Y. Gipson, 10-19-93


Sheriff Wilcox, wondering what happened out at the crash site, sends two more deputies out. This time they run into the cordon thrown up by the rnilitary and are turned back. The army is letting no unauthorized personnel onto the crash site.

A large part of the next events involves various teletypes from both the United Press (UP) and Associated Press (AP). Some of these are from originals possessed by Frank Joyce, others were on file from these entities. Frank’s copies have been confirmed by UP.

At 2:26 P.M. the story is out on the AP (Associated Press) wire. The story announces: "The army air forces here today announced a flying disc had been found." This was the Roswell base press release from Walter Haut. The following (in quotes) is the AP wire:



"Roswell, N.M. The army air forces here today announced a flying disk had been found on a ranch near Roswell and is in army possession."


The phones at the base start ringing. Irritated at his inability to get a line out, Blanchard orders Haut to do something about all the incoming calls. Haut says there is nothing he could do about incoming calls. (from Haut's interviews)

Robert Shirkey, standing in the operations building, watches as MPs begin carrying wreckage through to load onto a C-54 from the First Air Transport Unit. To see better, he has to step around Colonel Blanchard. (Shirkey's affidavit given later in this post)

At 2:30 PM. Blanchard decides it is time to go on leave. Too many phone callers into the base are asking to speak with him. He, along with a few members of his staff, drive out to the debris field. Those left at the base are told to inform the reporters that the colonel is now on leave.
Relating to the AP Press Release:



It said that Lt. Warren Haught [sic], public information officer of Roswell field, announced the object had been found "sometime last week." And the story also said the object had been sent on "to higher headquarters."


At 2:41 PM. A UP (United Press) teletype states the following (from Frank Joyce’s saved originals)



DXR (Denver UP Office) 54
MORE FLYING DISC (DXR53)

-0-
THE INTELLIGENCE OFFICE REPORTS THAT IT GAINED POSSESSION OF THE
"DIS:" THROUGH THE COOPERATION OF A ROSWELL RANCHER AND SHERIFF
GEORGE WILSON OF ROSWELL.
THE DISC LANDED ON A RANCH NEAR ROSWELL SOMETIME LAST WEEK. NOT
HAVING PHONE FACILITIES, THE RANCHER, WHOSE NAME HAS NOT YET BEEN
OBTAINED, STORED THE DISC UNTIL SUCH TIME AS HE WAS ABLE TO
CONTACT THE ROSWELL SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN TURN NOTIFIED A MAJOR OF THE 509TH
INTELLIGENCE OFFICE.
ACTION WAS TAKEN IMMEDIATELY AND THE DISC WAS PICKED UP AT THE
RANCHER'S HOME AND TAKEN TO THE ROSWELL AIR BASE. FOLLOWING
EXAMINATION, THE DISC WAS FLOWN BY INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS IN A SUPER-
FORTRESS TO AN UNDISCLOSED "HIGHER HEADQUARTERS."
THE AIR BASE HAS REFUSED TO GIVE DETAILS OF CONSTRUCTION OF THE DISC
OR OF ITS APPEARANCE.
RESIDENTS NEAR THE RANCH ON WHICH THE DISC WAS FOUND REPORTED
SEEING A STRANGE BLUE LIGHT SEVERAL DAYS AGO ABOUT THREE O'CLOCK IN
THE MORNING.
J241P 7/8


At 2:55 PM. the AP reports in a "95," just under a bulletin in importance, that a flying disk had been found. (and where)

At 3:00 P.M. Marcel is told that he is going to Fort Worth with the wreckage. Only a few packages are loaded onto the plane. One, a triangular package about two feet long, is wrapped in brown paper. The other three are about the size of shoe boxes. They are so light that it feels as if there is nothing in them. The special flight, a B-29, takes off for the Fort Worth Army Air Field. Affadavit of 1st Lieutenant Robert Shirkey:



(1) My name is Robert Shirkey

(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX

(3) I am ( ) retired ( ) employed as: __________________________________

(4) In July 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air field with the rank of 1st Lieutenant. I served as the assistant flight safety officer and was assigned to base operations for the 509th Bomb Group.

(5) During that period, the call a B-29 ready to go as soon as possible. Its destination was to be Fort Worth, on orders from the base commander, Col. Blanchard. I was in the Operations Office when Col. Blanchard arrived. He asked if the aircraft was ready. When he was told it was, Blanchard waved to somebody, and approximately five people came in the front door, down the hallway and on to the ramp to climb into the airplane, carrying parts of what I heard was the crashed flying saucer.

(6) At this time, I asked Col. Blanchard to turn sideways so I could see what was going on. I saw them carrying what appeared to be pieces of metal; there was one piece that was 18 x 24 inches, brushed stainless steel in color. I also saw what was described by another witness as an I-beam and markings.

(7) Several days later, a B-25 was scheduled to take something to Ft. Worth. This was the second flight during this period: the third was a B-29 piloted by Oliver W. "Pappy" Henderson directly to Wright-Patterson.

(8) I learned later that a Sergeant and some airmen went to the crash site and swept up everything, including bodies. The bodies were laid out in Hanger 84. Henderson's flight contained all that material.

(9) All of those involved--the Sergeant of the Guards, all of the crewmen, and myself--were shipped out to different bases within two weeks.

(10) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: Robert Shirkey
30 April 1991

Signature witnessed by:
Lupe V. Sandoval


Also corroborated by another, Master Sergeant Robert Porter (his affidavit)



(1) My name is Robert R. Porter

(2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX

(3) I am (X) retired ( ) employed as: __________________________________

(4) In July 1947, I was a Master Sergeant in the U.S. Army Air Force, stationed at Roswell, New Mexico. I was a flight engineer. My job entailed taking care of the engines in flight, maintaining weight and balance, and I was responsible for fuel management. We mostly flew B-29s.

(5) On this occasion, I was a member of the crew which flew parts of what we were told was a flying saucer to Fort Worth. The people on board included: Lt. Col. Payne Jennings, the Deputy Commander of the base; Lt. Col. Robert I. Barrowclough; Maj. Herb Wunderlich; and Maj. Jesse Marcel. Capt. William E. Anderson said it was from a flying saucer. After we arrived, the material was transferred to a B-25. I was told they were going to Wright Field in Dayton, Ohio.

(6) I was involved in loadng the B-29 with the material, which was wrapped in packages with wrapping paper. One of the pieces was triangle-shaped, about
2 1/2 feet across the bottom. The rest were in small packages, about the size of a shoe box. The brown paper was held with tape.

(7) The material was extremely lightweight. When I picked it up, it was just like picking up an empty package. We loaded the triangle-shaped package and three shoe box-sized packages into the plane. All of the packages could have fit into the trunk of a car.

(8) After we landed at Fort Worth, Col Jennings told us to take care of maintenance of the plane and that after a guard was posted, we could eat lunch. When we came back from lunch, they told us they had transferred the material to a B-25. They told us the material was a weather balloon, but I'm certain it wasn't a weather balloon. I think the government should let the people know what's going on.

(9) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: Robert R. Porter
June 7, 1991

Signature witnessed by:
Ruth N. Ford 6/7/91


At 3:10 PM. AP goes national, in Albuquerque, AP reporter Jason Kellahin and photographer/wire technician are dispatched to Roswell to cover the story.

At 3:11 PM. No word from the Pentagon (AP Release)



"The war department in Washington had nothing to say immediately about the reported find."


At 3:16 PM. Another UP teletype:



FRR (Sante Fe UP Office) 8
(SUB)
ROSWELL, NEW MEXICO---THE INTELLIGENCE OFFICE OF THE 509TH BOMB
GROUP OF THE ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE REPORTS THAT IT HAS RECEOVERED A
"FLYING DISC" AND THAT IT IS BEING FLOWN IN A SUPERFORTRESS TO
"HIGHER HEADQUARTERS" FOR STUDY.
ARMY OFFICIALS AT THE ROSWELL BASE WILL NOT DISCLOSE THE LOCATION
OF THE "HIGHER HEADQUARTERS."
SHERIFF GEORGE WILCOX (CORRECT) OF ROSWELL WAYS THAT THE DISC WAS
FOUND ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO BY A RANCHER BY THE NAME OF W. W. BRIZELL
ON THE FOSTER RANCH NEAR CORONA, ABOUT 75 MILES NORTHWEST OF ROSWELL
NEAR THE CENTER OF NEW MEXICO.
SHERIFF WILCOX SAYS THE RANCHER DOES NOT HAVE A TELEPHONE, AND
THAT HE DID NOT REPORT FINDING THE DISC UNTIL DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY.
SHERIFF WILCOX SAYS THAT BRIZELL SAID HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
IT WAS, BUT THAT AT FIRST IT APPEARED TO BE A WEATHER METER. (Note that this is after Brazel was in military custody, and the Sheriff was well aware of this military custody)
HOWEVER, OFFICIALS AT THE ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE WERE NOTIFIED,
AND AN OFFICER AND AN ENLISTED MAN CAME TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE
TO CLAIM THE OBJECT. (Thus we have press confirmation of debris being taken to the Sheriff’s office)
SHERIFF WILCOX QUOTES BRIZELL AS SAYING THAT "IT MORE OR LESS
SEEMED LIKE TINFOIL." WILCOX SAYS THAT BRIZELL SAID THAT THE DIXC
WAS BROKEN SOME, APPARENTLY FROM THE FALL. THE SHERIFF SAYS THAT BRIZELL
DESCRIBED THE OBJECT (large piece of debris, remember that an intact craft wasn’t found at the Brazel site) ABOUT AS LARGE AS A SAFE IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. HE ADDED THAT THE SAFE WAS ABOUT THREE AND ONE-HALF BY FOUR
FEE. (Again, Brazel at this time is in military custody and will soon publicly recant his story as ordered)
-0-
(DXR
WILL HV ANOTHER ADD IN ABT 5 OR 10 MINWS.)
V7/8


For the next few minutes, a few quick teletypes as the base press release is confirmed.

Sometime between 3:17 PM and 3:22 PM the following UP teletype: (just more confirmation of Marcel’s whereabouts and plans to return)



NAJ DXR (Denver UP Office)
FYI, ROSWELL REPORTS TT MAJOR JESSE A. MARCEL, INTELLIGENCE
OFFICER FOR 509TH BOMBER GROUP AT ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE, IS IN FORT WORTH,
TEX., AT 8TH ARMY HDQUARTERS, "IF HE HANT ALREADY STARTED BACK FOR
ROWELL." SUGG U GET DA IN ON IT FASTEST. TT MITE BE WHERE DISC
WAS FLOWN.
FRR V7/8


Calls come into Roswell from all over the world as the press release hits the various news wires.

Marcel is in Ramey's office with some of the debris. The general wants to see where the debris was found. Marcel accompanies him to the map room. Once Ramey is satisfied, they walk back to the general's office, but the debris is gone. In its place is a ripped-apart weather balloon with debris scattered on the floor. (according to Marcel in interviews). This is also corroborated by then Colonel (now retired as a Brig. General) Thomas Dubose (in his affidavit): (note that Dubose is the usually unnamed man in these photos)



(7) The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey's office was a weather balloon. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press.


Also, for the skeptics criticizing Marcel, or his rep within the military…



Besides Dubose independently corroborating Roswell intelligence officer Major Jesse Marcel's story of a weather balloon cover-up, Dubose's subsequent actions also lend to Marcel's credibility. Dubose recommended Marcel for promotion to Lt. Colonel in the Air Force Reserve several months later, along with Roswell base commander Col. Blanchard. Dubose also co-signed Blanchard's highly laudatory evaluation of Marcel the following spring and recommended Marcel attend Air Command and Staff School. (click here to view document) Similarly Gen. Ramey a few months later wrote that he thought Marcel command officer material. (click here to view document) If Dubose (or Ramey) had any doubts about Marcel's competency following the encounter in Ramey's office, it isn't evident in Marcel's record.


roswellproof.homestead.com...

At 3:42 PM. A UP wire:



FRR (Santa Fe UP Office) 8
EEDITORS; PLEASE SUB FOR 5TH PGH AND REMAINDER OF FRRE8
-0-
HOWEVER, OFFICIALS AT THE ROSWELL ARMY AIR BASE WERE NOTIFIED
IMMEDIATELY BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. MAJOR JESSE A. MARCEL---
INTELLIGENCE OFFICER OF THE ROSWELL BASE---AND AN ENLISTED MAN THEN
CHECKED WITH THE SHERIFF.
SHERIFF WILCOX QUOTED BRIZELL AS SAYING THAT "IT MORE OR LESS
SEEMED LIKE TINFOIL." WILCOX SAID THAT BRIZELL
RELATED THAT THE DISC WAS BROKEN SOMEWHAT---APPARENTLY FROM THE FALL.
THE SHERIFF SAID THAT BRIZELL DESCRIBED THE OBJECT ABOUT AS LARGE
AS A SAFE IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. HE ADDED THAT THE SAFE WAS ABOUT
THREE AND ONE-HALF BY FOUR FEET.
BRIZELL DID NOT BRING THE OBJECT TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, BUT
MERELY DROVE THE 75 MILES FORM THE RANCH TO ROSWELL TO REPORT HIS
FINDING. SHERIFF WILCOX SAID THAT MAJOR MARCEL LEFT SHORTLY AFTER
RECEIVING THE REPORT FOR THE AREA WHERE THE DISC WAS FOUND.
MEANWHILE, A REPORT FROM CARRIZOZO, NEW MEXICO, SAID THAT A DISC
WAS FOUND 35 MILES SOUTHEAST OF CORONA. THE REPORT---WHICH WAS NOT
SUBSTANTIATED---MERELY SAID THAT IT WAS "A RUBBER SUBSTANCE AND
TINFOIL ENCASE." HOWEVER, IT WAS PRESUMED TO BE THE SAME AS THE
ONE REPORTED TO ROSWELL. (Given this location, seems to be the Foster Ranch, i.e. Brazel’s site)
REPORTS FROM THE ROSWELL BASE SAID THAT MAJOR MARCEL WAS AT
EIGHTH ARMY HEADQUARTERS IN FORT WORTH, TEXT, BUT THAT "HE MIGHT
BE ON HIS WAY BACK TO ROSWELL BY PLANE NOW." HOWEVER, OFFICIALS
AT THE ROSWELL BASE SAY THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE DISC OR ITS
DESCRIPTIONG, OR WHERE THE "HIGHER HEADQUARTERS" WHERE IT REPORTEDLY
WAS TAKEN ARE LOCATED.
V342P7/8


At 3:53 PM. Roger Ramey announces that the flying disk has been sent on to Wright Field near Dayton, Ohio. This is where Ramey is officially involved in the story. This also shows that Ramey had already spoken with the Pentagon by this time. In Fort Worth, reporter/photographer J. Bond Johnson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram is dispatched to Fort Worth AAF to cover the story.

At 4:02 PM. AP has put together its first full story. It appears in western evening newspapers (such as the Los Angeles Herald-Express and the Seattle Times), but is too late (6:02pm) for the east coast and central papers. Starts like this (from the AP teletype)



"Albuquerque, N. M. The army air forces has gained possession of a flying disk, Lt. Warren Haught, public information officer at Roswell army airfield, announced today.”


More men arrive at the debris field and are assigned to assist in cleaning it. Soldiers with wheelbarrows move across the field, tossing in the debris. When the wheelbarrows are filled, the soldier take the debris to collection points. The debris is then loaded into covered trucks to be driven into Roswell.

At 5:03 PM. The Pentagon starts to hint at the weather balloon explanation. (from an AP internal teletype)

At 5:30 PM. a solution for the mystery is offered by Major E. M. Kirton who tells the Dallas Morning News that a balloon is responsible for all the excitement. An AP teletype also reports:



"Fort Worth Roswell's celebrated 'flying disk' was rudely stripped of its glamor by a Fort Worth army airfield weather officer who late today identified the object as a weather balloon."


Warrant Officer Irving Newton is ordered from the weather office at the Fort Worth Army Air Field to Ramey's office. Newton, in front of a small number of reporters and officers of the Eighth Air Force, identifies the wreckage on the office floor as a balloon. He is photographed and then sent back to his regular duties. (from statements by Newton)

At 6:17 PM. the FBI sends a Teletype message to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover telling him that a balloon is responsible for the reports. It is on its way to Dayton for examination by army air force experts. This is of course, well after the coverup story has been put into motion. (this document was released under FOIA) This is an early indication that Mogul is to be the cover story. But, the teletype also shows that the radar reflector story was different from what Wright Field was saying. (note the following phrase: "but ... telephonic conversation between their office and Wright Field had not borne out this belief.")

The 1994/95 Air Force report on Roswell quoted the first part of this teletype, about the object resembling a weather balloon/radar reflector, but curiously omitted the part about phone conversation with Wright Field giving a different assessment of the debris. Of course, we’ve still got the matter of why so much fuss if it’s a weather balloon? (even if Mogul?) As even the skeptics will agree, Mogul contained no materials that were classified, only the objective of Mogul was classified. Surely asap flights to the Army’s top War Materiel bases wouldn’t be arranged for balsa wood, tin foil, and neoprene…Here's the teletype.



At 7:30P.M. the AP breaks into its last message with a bulletin telling the world that the Roswell flying disk is nothing more than a balloon.
Ramey, with the identity of the wreckage established in the public arena, announces to the world that the officers at Roswell had been fooled by a weather balloon. Ramey also appears on Fort Worth-Dallas radio station WBAP. One can only imagine what’s going through the officers’ heads back at Roswell. Then again, they know they are following orders.

An unscheduled flight from Boiling Field (Washington, D.C.) arrives. Lewis Rickett meets it at Roswell and gives the crew a sealed box with wreckage in it. He is required to get a signature before he can surrender it.

At 10:00 PM. ABC News "Headline Edition" tells the audience that Roger Ramey has identified the Roswell wreckage as a weather balloon.

At 11:59 PM. one of the photographs taken by J. Bond Johnson is transmitted to New York on the news wire.


One of Bond’s photos, showing General Ramey and Col. Thomas Dubose. (the red box is to show where the Ramey memo below came from)





I still find it hilarious that all the while, when he’s posing for pics with substituted debris, all to debunk the story, little does he realize that eventually, technology will be able to read the damning memo held in his hand, which tells a different story of what really happened.

However, with the public now breathing a sigh of relief, confident that the military has fully investigated and that there are no little men from Mars…the story dies and fades away into history, not unlike other such early UFO incidents. That is of course, until years later when researchers start to discover clues to this fascinating story. With the story then back in public view, more and more come forward…(along with those out to capitalize on it as well, and who are less than truthful). Still, for all the frauds who’ve tarnished the event, they simply pale in comparison to the overwhelming evidence, testimony from military officers, documents referencing Roswell, and of course, some of the major changes in defense that came about in response to this event. We’ll examine all of this in Part IV, The Aftermath, the last part in this series of threads.

Continued here: www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 21-4-2005 by Gazrok]




posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 11:04 AM
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Are people just afraid to comment on this or what?


Hehe...guess I'm just seeing too much talk about lizzies vs. dusty old UFO cases for my tastes...



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 11:25 AM
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Great job Gaz! Even though I was tired and everything may not have gotten through to me (like when you read the same lines over and over in a book, yet they make no sense). Anyway, maybe I'll re-read it.

Two questions though: when the eyewitnesses claim that the debris field was about 3 quarters of a mile big/long, does that make any sense if it would have been a wather ballon? I mean, could it have scattered that much?

Did someone say (either in this post or the previous one) that the disc probably was around 500 feet in diameter?



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Are people just afraid to comment on this or what?


Hehe...guess I'm just seeing too much talk about lizzies vs. dusty old UFO cases for my tastes...


You've left us speechless Gaz
Seriously, great work. As long as it's kept under official wraps, the Roswell Case will be the crown jewel of ufology--enough could never truly be said about it.



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 11:40 AM
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I'm only half way through, but allready have a question. I vaguely remember something about the person who supposedly found the saucer, was with a couple of boy scouts or something. Does this sound like either Ragsdale or Kaufmann? If so, did the boys ever make statements?

All I can say is WOW! This was a busy day. I did not know there was so much evidence on this. Great work, gonna get back to it.



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 11:42 AM
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Two questions though: when the eyewitnesses claim that the debris field was about 3 quarters of a mile big/long, does that make any sense if it would have been a wather ballon? I mean, could it have scattered that much?

Did someone say (either in this post or the previous one) that the disc probably was around 500 feet in diameter?


If accepting the Mogul balloon explanation, then no, the size of the debris field would be a bit too large for it. Realize though, that the entire Mogul construct could be up to 600' long, so it'd be a pretty big area, just not 3/4 of a mile long, and certainly no gouge.... The big problem with this of course, is that any idiot can easily tell a neoprene balloon, balsa wood, and tin foil, is exactly that....certainly a Rancher who is used to finding weather balloons on his ranch (as many of them were), and certainly the senior intel officer of the RAAF.


No, most size estimates for the disc were given as 30' to 50'. I can't recall any reference to a disc of that large a size...(500')



I'm only half way through, but allready have a question. I vaguely remember something about the person who supposedly found the saucer, was with a couple of boy scouts or something. Does this sound like either Ragsdale or Kaufmann? If so, did the boys ever make statements?

All I can say is WOW! This was a busy day. I did not know there was so much evidence on this. Great work, gonna get back to it.


Actually, there are TWO different archeologist tales of finding the craft. Both of which I found HIGHLY dubious. Also, my research pointed to evidence that one of them was nowhere near the area at the time, nor could any of these students (not scouts) be named. This would be around the Ragsdale site area (which, as I mentioned, I just can't consider him as a credible witness). The students never made statements, only the archeologist...(starts with a "C", would have to look over my notes for his name)...

EDIT: Here's some info if you want to see more about this...personally, I didn't find the accounts solid enough to include here.

Foster, Iris
- Owned a cafe in Taos, New Mexico. She often heard a man call "Cactus Jack," an amateur archeologist, talk about seeing a downed alien ship.

Gardner, Mary Ann
- Nurse at St. Petersburg Hospital, Florida. She heard an archeologist on her deathbed tell about discovering an alien ship and bodies.



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posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 11:52 AM
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Awsome work GAZ,btw how did you amass so much of info,are you an alien



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 11:58 AM
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Awsome work GAZ,btw how did you amass so much of info,are you an alien


No comment.

Seriously though, the info is out there, I'm just simply going through it all and cross-checking to see what is solid and supported by other sources, to separate the wheat from the chaff. That is the most time-consuming part in all of this. I knew there was a lot out there that was solid in regards to Roswell, but honestly, I had NO idea that it was near the level of what I found...(i.e. sworn affidavits of generals, actual teletypes, confirmations of plane flights, confirmation of times, so many FOIA documents, etc.) I learned quite a bit myself doing the research, and these posts are simply an attempt to share some of what I learned during this. There is much more that isn't in this series, simply because it didn't seem solid and/or credible enough to be included.

Basically, Blanchard takes it upon himself to break the news to the people, and then Ramey and the Pentagon step in asap to clamp it down tight. As inept as the coverup is when examined this many years later, one has to admire how quickly it was put into place and for how long it actually succeeded.

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posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
There is much more that isn't in this series, simply because it didn't seem solid and/or credible enough to be included.


Maybe you might want to include some of that as an "appendix" of sorts, some of the more interesting items you found that you can't completely substantiate. Just for the heck of it, and with a big disclaimer at the top. Might be something that can be associated with other ideas or that someone else on the board can somehow confirm (not that I think you missed any viable sources, but maybe someone else can find something that relates to it.) Just a thought.



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 12:10 PM
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That's actually not a bad idea...just might do that...



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 12:24 PM
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Awsome report Gazrok.
*crowd cheers in background*

Have you shared any of your findings with Stanton Friedman? Or did you colaberate with him on any of this?

Or maybe you are his clone?



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 12:35 PM
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Have you shared any of your findings with Stanton Friedman? Or did you colaberate with him on any of this?


Nope, though I've used some of his books as a reference for confirming this or that interview, consistency, etc. I kept coming back to the work of David Rudiak (you'll see his site referenced often), as it seems he's done pretty much the same (or more) level of investigation, and I was quite impressed with his stuff, and how well his findings checked out with the evidence. I think my arrangement of the data is a little easier to follow than his, but still I was impressed.



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 02:09 PM
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P.S. Still one more part to go in this series...will hopefully be up some time next week.

After that's up, I'll writeup some kind of Addendum post with some of the other info not included in this series due to it being shaky at best... Probably call it "Roswell - Worst Evidence", hehe....



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 05:24 PM
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Great job Gaz!

David Rudiak seems to be a reliable source, the reconstruction of that teletype was very well done.

BTW, I spend most of my afternoon-night reading all the parts...


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posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 05:29 PM
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One thing that really adds credibility to the site with the description of the memo (at least the one I saw, I can't remember where I saw the link; it might have been in one of the other posts) is that it admitted that since the images were blurry its almost entirely up to interpretation. I love that; that's what I love about this site--it isn't necessarily the truth all the time. It's when people start saying "This is how it is and that's the only way it is" that I start to discredit them a little. Anyways, keep it up Gaz, this is cooler than (insert favorite expletive here).

EDIT: Didn't like my usage of the greater-than sign...

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posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 05:46 PM
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Gaz, each posting gets better. Now I'm thinking intrepid spilled the beans on you - you ARE an Alien!!




I still find it hilarious that all the while, when he’s posing for pics with substituted debris, all to debunk the story, little does he realize that eventually, technology will be able to read the damning memo held in his hand, which tells a different story of what really happened.


One question, are you implying that the note held in hand, in the photo within the Red box is the same note in the picture below the photo? How on earth can that be done?

Great post!



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 07:22 PM
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One question, are you implying that the note held in hand, in the photo within the Red box is the same note in the picture below the photo? How on earth can that be done?


Absolutely. This was actually even featured in a fairly recent special done for the Sci-Fi channel. However, I've got some more info on exactly how it was done, and even an analysis of why certain words can only be a few certain things, etc. I'll post this as an edit to this post in a bit...


EDIT: (Enjoy)


Here's the text and it's reconstruction....
roswellproof.homestead.com...

Here's how it was done....
roswellproof.homestead.com...



This image was scanned at 600 dots per inch from an 8"x10" printed blow-up of the message. Magnification on the 8x10 was approximately 20X. The photodeveloper was instructed to overdevelop the print somewhat to bring out lighter areas in the shadows. This was the primary image used in reading the message.


A darker print (scan not presented here) was also used to increase contrast of letters fully exposed to light.


The purpose is to present the data in its raw form and make it widely available. People can use it to draw their own conclusion as to how readable the text is and even try their own hand at interpretation. It is also presented to indicate that there has been no gross manipulation of the image or "sleight-of-hand" used to create something that isn't there. Image enhancement was fairly basic, involving primarily adjustments of luminance and contrast levels. Where perspective and paper folds had seriously compressed or rotated letters, some compensating stretching and counter-rotation was applied to make text more readable.


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posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
Are people just afraid to comment on this or what?


Hehe...guess I'm just seeing too much talk about lizzies vs. dusty old UFO cases for my tastes...


I think most would rather comment on the ufo cases and stories that have no concrete evidence. Oh, well such is life. Great Work Gazrok, keep it up.



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 08:02 PM
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Gazrok, isn't that a Pleidan name?


Uh Oh, I said nothing, no i'm not an al...errrr -zips mouth shut-



posted on Apr, 15 2005 @ 08:12 PM
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Absolutely. This was actually even featured in a fairly recent special done for the Sci-Fi channel. However, I've got some more info on exactly how it was done, and even an analysis of why certain words can only be a few certain things, etc. I'll post this as an edit to this post in a bit...


Gaz, VERY COOL!! Thanks for sharing..... I'll have to pay more attention to the Sci Fi channel.







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