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reply posted on 14-4-2005 @ 11:31 AM by HowardRoark
The “balls,” or “donuts on a rope” phenomena is associated with aircraft wake turbulence patterns.

Wake turbulence can effect how a contrail grows and ages.


and



From this report


Some people claim that this type of contrail is also produced by pulse jet engines of the type used on the mythical Aurora spy plane.

www.answers.com...;jsessionid=lnlnup7vehnk?tname=aurora-aircraft&hl=contrail&sbid=lc03a
Finally, in 1998, another aircraft spotter videotaped two unusual contrails in quick succession. One of the sights appeared to be a fireball, while the other was described as "doughnuts on a rope." However, this latter bit of evidence is particularly shaky, as this sort of contrail is not all that rare with passenger airliners either.



Hope that helped.


[edit on 14-4-2005 by HowardRoark]



reply posted on 15-4-2005 @ 09:59 AM by HowardRoark
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Although these observations are intriguing, they are also difficult to reconcile with one another. While many observers agree on the unusual sounds created by these vehicles, a range of descriptions are provided as to the nature of these sounds. The pulsating tone emanating from these sightings has been taken as an indication of the use of some form of pulse detonation engine. Some observers report a characteristic frequency as high as 60 Hertz, while others suggest a frequency as low as 1 Hertz.
But a technical analysis of pulse detonation engines suggests that engines operating at the thrust levels associated with military aircraft would operate a between 100 and 200 Hertz (pulses per second).<18> While doppler shifting may reconcile this value with the reported 50-60 Hertz pulsation, it is more difficult to reconcile this with the reports of a 1 Hertz pulsation.
It is also difficult to reconcile a pulse rate of 100-200 Hertz with the observed donut-on-a-rope contrails.<19> The association of these contrails with a pulse detonation engine would seem to be predicated on the observation that each "donut" is a product of a single pulse detonation. Based on published photographs, the "donuts" appear to be approximately 100 meters apart. Assuming a detonation pulse rate of 100 Hertz, this would imply a velocity of 10 kilometers per second, or 36,000 kilometers per hour (roughly Mach 36), one- and-one-half times orbital velocity. While it is asserted that the Exotic Propulsion Aircraft is a high-speed vehicle, this is at least four times faster than the speeds normally associated with this aircraft.
In addition, a closer examination of the published photographs reveals a significant irregularity in the spacing between the donuts on the rope. This would seem to be inconsistent with the normal functioning of a pulse detonation engine.
While various assumptions might be brought forward to reconcile these observations with theory, the evidence is not obviously consistent with the presence of a pulse detonation engine.
And the unusually loud, rumbling sonic booms reported along the California coast actually have a precedent in a deep black program well prior to the 1970s era THAP. According to an historical Lockheed document, during test flights at high altitude, the Lockheed A-12 "Oxcart" (an SR-71 predecessor) would make an "ominous rumble on the ground.<20> Thus, while the reports of unusual auditory signatures may be indicative of the existence of some type of advanced air vehicle, they do not appear to constitute conclusive evidence of the existence of an Exotic Propulsion Aircraft.

I would have to agree on the assessment of the donuts-on-a-rope contrail.
Assuming a speed of 4000 mph, and a detonation frequency of 60 Hz, that means every pulse would be evenly spaced about 100 feet apart. That doesn’t seem to correlate to that picture.


reply posted on 15-4-2005 @ 04:14 PM by PeanutButterJellyTime
OTS,

I'm talking about the
Aurora Aircraft Research Project here on ATS. I just joined the project but some of the members have been collecting possible aurora sightings and making a timeline of them. If this one came from a possible aurora hot-spot we would be interested in it.

I've never seen a contrail like that here on the east coast. I know the 'donut on a rope' contrail is often associated with top secret aircraft using pulse-detonation engines.

To be honest, when I saw this contrail I doubted it was one of the 'donuts-on-a-rope' because of the irregular spacing of the 'puffs' (I guess they're vortices) but like I said, if it was from an area that is associated with aurora it would be worthwhile to follow up on it.
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