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reply posted on 10-6-2005 @ 04:00 PM by W4rl0rD

Hmm...the 2nd pic seems to have the TVC nozzles.. but then again it is just rendered art of what the J-10 might look like.

reply posted on 10-6-2005 @ 04:57 PM by jetsetter

The second pic is real. The other two are not. The J-10 does not have thrust vectoring.

reply posted on 10-6-2005 @ 06:29 PM by COWlan

WS-10A does and it was made for the J-10 and J-11A/B. If the mass production of WS-10A has started then yes, that would be a TVC nozzle and on a WS-10A engine.

reply posted on 10-6-2005 @ 07:54 PM by chinawhite

stealth can you please reframe from posting out of date articles.

reply posted on 10-6-2005 @ 07:56 PM by chinawhite

the lavi bascily loks like a f-16 with carards

reply posted on 10-6-2005 @ 07:57 PM by chinawhite

reply posted on 10-6-2005 @ 08:03 PM by chinawhite

all those articles you posted stealth spy are all 2002. back then there was no pictures of the j-10 only PS ones of a LAVI with chinese markings and a Eurofighter with chinese markings. i dont see how the people that wrote the articles managed to get pictures when the chinese government never released any. they only confirmed the long supsision of the j-10 program in 2002 at the zhuhai airshow

reply posted on 10-6-2005 @ 08:15 PM by chinawhite

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
I think it would be better if China use Russian engines and not the WS-10

Here's what i found on the WS-10 :

The CAC is also trying to replace the Russian AL-31F with the indigenously developed WS-10A, which is said to be a Chinese copy of the Russian AL-31FN.

www.sinodefence.com...

It seems to be having problems as well, so Russian engines might be a better choice

the WS-10A is a different design and manufracture of the AL-31F. russian never allowed china to produce the AL-31F

reply posted on 10-6-2005 @ 10:30 PM by emile

The rest of J-10's were going to set DSI I guess

which looks like F-35's airintake

reply posted on 10-6-2005 @ 11:18 PM by jetsetter

That type of intake, while more stealthy is less efficient than a traditional intake.

reply posted on 11-6-2005 @ 12:28 AM by W4rl0rD

Huh? The DSI variable intakes will change the amount of air to different amounts depending on the altitude and speed, which is supposed to be MORE efficent.

If you think that the J-10's intakes look like that of the F-35, the F-35 had some design influences from the Yak-141, including the DSI intakes. The J-10 and Fc-1's intakes seem to be based more than the intakes on the Yak-141.

reply posted on 11-6-2005 @ 10:04 AM by waynos

Originally posted by emile
The rest of J-10's were going to set DSI I guess

which looks like F-35's airintake

More like the X-32's surely?

reply posted on 11-6-2005 @ 01:34 PM by COWlan

I've never seen that picture before, EVER. And I can guarantee you thats not a J-10.

Its another PS image like the one for the F-16

The DSI intake for the FC-1 is for real though, the second plane on Earth to have DSI intakes. This is the model of the FC-1 04 prototype deemed to fly at the end of the year or early next.

reply posted on 11-6-2005 @ 01:47 PM by Stealth Spy

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
I think it would be better if China use Russian engines and not the WS-10

Here's what i found on the WS-10 :

The CAC is also trying to replace the Russian AL-31F with the indigenously developed WS-10A, which is said to be a Chinese copy of the Russian AL-31FN.

www.sinodefence.com...

the WS-10A is a different design and manufracture of the AL-31F. russian never allowed china to produce the AL-31F

The WS-10A is a copy of the AL-31FN, not the AL-31F.

Read the sinodefence article Jim

reply posted on 11-6-2005 @ 01:49 PM by Stealth Spy

What is a DSI intake ?? What are its advantages ?? What does the red circled part represent ??

reply posted on 11-6-2005 @ 08:05 PM by COWlan

DSI stands for Divertless Supersonic Intakes, the only plane before FC-1 to have DSI is the JSF/F-35. The bumps seen at the intakes are litterally called Bumps. At high aircraft speeds through supersonic, the bumps work with forward-swept inlet cowls to redirect unwanted boundary layer airflow away from the inlets, essentially doing the job of heavier, more complex, and more costly approaches used by current fighters. It proved to save significant weight, reduce RCS by concealing the engine's fans which generate most of the RCS when searching from the front. It improves performances both when supersonic and subsonic. The DSI bump functions as a compression surface and creates a pressure distribution that prevents the majority of the boundary layer air from entering the inlet at speeds up to Mach 2. In essence, the DSI does away with complex and heavy mechanical systems.

P.S The red line means nothing.

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reply posted on 12-6-2005 @ 12:46 AM by chinawhite

Originally posted by Stealth Spy

Originally posted by chinawhite

Originally posted by Stealth Spy
I think it would be better if China use Russian engines and not the WS-10

Here's what i found on the WS-10 :

The CAC is also trying to replace the Russian AL-31F with the indigenously developed WS-10A, which is said to be a Chinese copy of the Russian AL-31FN.

www.sinodefence.com...

the WS-10A is a different design and manufracture of the AL-31F. russian never allowed china to produce the AL-31F

The WS-10A is a copy of the AL-31FN, not the AL-31F.

Read the sinodefence article Jim

www.jamestown.org...

So far, the Ramenskoye-based (Moscow Region) Technocomplex Scientific Production Centre has been upgrading both single-seat and two-seat Su-27s for the PLAAF. The scope of this upgrade work is an example of the integrated thinking that surrounds China's future fighter program and the J-10/F-10 and Su-27/J-11 in particular. Having mastered basic airframe assembly, China currently controls an upgrade package that will allow it to integrate the weapons and systems under development. Although the Moscow-based machine-building enterprise Salyut has not yet delivered to China the AL-31 engine, which features a fully variable, rotating, thrust-vector control (TVC) nozzle designed by the St. Petersburg-based Klimov Corporation, when the delivery occurs, the AL-31 can be retrofitted during an engine upgrade, turning the J-10 into a highly maneuverable fighter. Furthermore, it appears that the Chinese-built WS10A engine that powers the J-10 fighter can match the performance of the AL-31 engine, despite differences in design and manufacture.

The CAC is also trying to replace the Russian AL-31F with the indigenously developed WS-10A, which is said to be a Chinese copy of the AL-31FN. The J-10 may become available for export market in 2005~2006

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