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SCI/TECH: Labs Urged to Destroy Pandemic Flu Strain

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posted on Apr, 12 2005 @ 05:37 PM
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A flu strain which has been sent to labs is over 18 countries as part of a routine test is being considered dangerous and scientists have been urged to destroy vials of the pandemic flu strain. The risk of a worker being contaminated with the virus is relatively low but the fear is that so many labs have the strain the risk of severe illness is high. The World Health Organization has urged the destruction of the strains claiming they could be the cause of a global flu epidemic.

 



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The rush, urged by the World Health Organization, was sparked by a slim, but real, risk that the samples, could spark a global flu epidemic.

"The risk is relatively low that a lab worker will get sick, but a large number of labs got it and if someone does get infected, the risk of severe illness is high and this virus has shown to be fully transmissible," WHO's influenza chief, Dr. Klaus Stohr, told The Associated Press.



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Scary stuff. I don’t see why this strain received the approval to be sent out to so many labs, then suddenly withdrawn. If there was such a risk it should not have been sent in the first place. Hopefully the correct actions can be taken to destroy this strain and steps should be taken to ensure if an outbreak happened we would have the sufficient medical resources to tackle it.

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posted on Apr, 12 2005 @ 10:24 PM
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If something like this strain is deadly and easily transmittable wouldn’t it be convenient if it "accidentally" gets out into the world.



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by phixion and taken from article here:
www.newsday.com...

On March 26, National Microbial Laboratory Canada detected the 1957 pandemic strain in a sample not connected with the test kit. After informing WHO and the CDC of the strange finding, the lab investigated. It informed the U.N. health agency on Friday that it had traced the virus to the test kit.


If the NMLC found that particular strain of Flu somewhere other than the supposed test kit, why the later contradiction that it actually was from the test kit. This is rather suspicious. Makes me wonder about contamination of different samples, that shouldn't have happened.

I mean just be honest about making a mistake

good post phixion



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 01:30 AM
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UPDATE-


The 1957 strain has not been included in the flu vaccine since 1968, and anyone born after that date has no immunity to it.

Dr. Nancy Cox, chief of the influenza branch at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, said her agency was notified of the situation Friday morning. She also said officials strongly doubt someone deliberately planted the dangerous germ or that this was an act of bioterrorism.

"It wouldn't be a smart way to start a pandemic to send it to laboratories because we have people well trained in biocontainment," she said.

Almost 99 percent of the labs that got the test kits are in the United States, Stohr said. Fourteen were in Canada and 61 samples went to labs in 16 other countries in Europe, Asia, the Middle East and South America, according to the WHO.


Shocking stuff. Seems that this is the virus that could destroy a lot of the current generation, and these are not the only strains, there are apparently a lot more sitting in labs around the world. The strain of this virus was found in a sample not connected with the kit, very strange where it has appeared from. Think you could be right w1kdtr1p and could just bit a bit of a mix up that no-one is willing to take the blame for.

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posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 08:06 AM
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VERY frightening stuff! I think it's just a matter of time
before someone gets ahold of some highly potent germs
and lets loose with them.

I think I remember reading a fiction book a while back
about a super flu that gets loose and kills most people.
I think it was Steven King ... and the good people went
to Boulder CO and the bad ones went to Vegas. Anyone
remember the name of that book??



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 08:29 AM
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Very Good Post:
I find it hard to believe that this could have been accidental....too many checks and balances of the system were by-passed. However if it is some boneheaded accident, we have now potentially armed Bioterrorist if this virus falls into the wrong hands.

The other day I was reading that some Huiman form of the Avian Flu had mysteriously jump species to pigs....that was in North Korea. I can't find that link now but I will try to post it when I do!

All very odd...to say the least!



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
I think I remember reading a fiction book a while back
about a super flu that gets loose and kills most people.
I think it was Steven King ... and the good people went
to Boulder CO and the bad ones went to Vegas. Anyone
remember the name of that book??


It's "The Stand" by Stephen King



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 10:44 AM
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Meridian Bioscience, Inc. shipped samples of a flu virus that killed 4 million people in 1957 and 1958. Scientists are frantically trying to locate and destroy 3700 samples that were shipped worldwide. No one born after 1968 has any natural immunity to the virus.
 



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The mistake came to light March 25 when the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg, Manitoba, identified the virus and alerted Canadian and international officials.

"This virus could cause a pandemic," said Klaus Stohr, the World Health Organization's top flu expert. "We would consider this an unwise and unfortunate decision."



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The article states that this was a mistake, but after reading it, I was a little unclear whether it was an accident or intentional. It sounds like it may have just been a bad decision. Either way, if the virus has been kept only in high security labs, how could this company ship out 3700 samples worldwide?

I cannot fathom the ignorance of some of these companies. I guess the UPS driver was unaware that he was delivering a virus that killed 4 million people. I hope, at least, they put some bubble rap around it.

I wonder how easy it really is to get a hold of some of these nasty bugs?



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 11:13 AM
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The virus that caused a massively murderous global pandemic was accidentally release back into the population that has no defense against it? Holy crud! That is alarming.

There're only 'requesting' that the people who received it destroy it?

They should be kicking down downs and burning down buildings!



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 11:27 AM
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it concerns me that the WHO is urging them to destroy it and we should listen to them but we gotta study stuff like this so we know what the really bad flu's look like. Knowledge is power and hopefully one day we may be able to avert large scale death.

thanks,
drfunk



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by drfunk
it concerns me that the WHO is urging them to destroy it and we should listen to them but we gotta study stuff like this so we know what the really bad flu's look like. Knowledge is power and hopefully one day we may be able to avert large scale death.

thanks,
drfunk


Dr. Funk....
I agree with you that things like this should be studied, however I am not sure that inadvertantly sending this type of sample to Labs in Saudi Arabia was the best move!
Remember they had 19 folks who caused the U.S a lot of damage...so god forbid they let this stuff fall into the wrong hands of the Wahabist!

Oh btw and where IS Dr. Germ anyway! You remember, the female germ warfare specialist from Iraq....at last check a year ago, the U.S was about to release her. Did she wind up in Saudi Arabia? or on their payroll? WHo knows!

[edit on 13-4-2005 by cafeman]

[edit on 13-4-2005 by cafeman]



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by drfunk
it concerns me that the WHO is urging them to destroy it and we should listen to them but we gotta study stuff like this so we know what the really bad flu's look like. Knowledge is power and hopefully one day we may be able to avert large scale death.

thanks,
drfunk


Makes sense to me, but then... do you really want over 3,000 samples of a potential killer virus in labs that are spread out over the world. There's no protection for anyone born later than 1968. It's already killed more than 1 million people.

Maybe having samples in 1 or 2 main labs is fine for study purposes... i don't even know about doing that either. I have my reservations about this kind of testing anyways, but I am trying to be as fair as I can.



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 12:30 PM
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I also wonder if this story is really happening as it sounds. I mean the WHO could really be disseminating false info, I mean disinformation. And for no other reason than to spread fear and panic and of course further disillusionment concerning the efficacy of government institutions.

It'll be interesting to see how this story carries over in the news, if it will at all.



[edit on 4/13/05 by w1kdtr1p]



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by cohiba

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I think I remember reading a fiction book a while back
about a super flu that gets loose and kills most people.
I think it was Steven King ... and the good people went
to Boulder CO and the bad ones went to Vegas. Anyone
remember the name of that book??


It's "The Stand" by Stephen King


and it reads just like THE STAND too................good lord. when i saw that this morning i thought WHAT WERE YOU THINKNG!!......how on EARTH can you make a mistake like that!!!

my goodness.............it seems that all that needs to happen is for some of those vials to fall into the wrong hands..............and BOOM.........

what a mess!!!

angie



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 01:30 PM
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to destroy it and leave it in the hands of a "select few" labs is much more dangerous.

If anyone has the sample of the virus, they have everything they need to create the vaccination against it.

If only one or two labs have it, then only one or two labs can begin the process to create the vaccine. Puts the control in the hands of a few, as well as the profits.

Of course the Media will spin this to look like a plague gone out of control. Did anyone else read how long these samples have been out? An early preport says they were shipped in 2002! More than enough time for them to have done all these nasty things. But now we want to make sure they're destroyed, so we can't deal with it or anything simialr that comes out of Asia or Africa, and we'll all have to bow down and pay through the nose to those labs who did the smart thing and kept the sample.

It's counterproductive, hypocritical hype like this that makes me lose even more faith in Big Media.



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by cohiba
It's "The Stand" by Stephen King

Thank you. That was it! Frightening because it
could happen so easily! (The best book I have
read (fiction) was The Talisman by Peter Straub
and Stephen King.)



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 03:16 PM
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They made a pretty good movie out of The Stand....So long as you have the time to sit down and watch 4 tapes in a row
(I'm sure it's more condensed on DVD, but I haven't bothered to check it out recently...)

I simply can't believe such a HUGE mistake could have occurred this easily....What form of separation do this people have?! How convenient that they just so happened to accidentally mix in vials of a deadly strain, which was so close and nearby to those less potent....



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 03:25 PM
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I could picture this... B0000M!! There went India and China...



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 07:06 PM
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The flu may be bad but what about those other viruses in which we have no idea where they are? Ebola and Marburg virus come to mind. These viruses infect and kill most people, and are highly contagious, with a kill time of what, 4 days? Scientists have no idea what it's vectors are, nor where it is at this moment. It's increasingly difficult to track thank to it's quick kill time.

As of right now, this viruses are dormant/isolated (or beleived so anyways). What if one of these were to cross borders from Africa unitentionally? Not good news, not at all.



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by slink
If something like this strain is deadly and easily transmittable wouldn’t it be convenient if it "accidentally" gets out into the world.


Oh, you mean like SARS? This flu could be a serious threat to the younger generations who were not exposed to it the first time around. It's a superflu.



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