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What the heck is the final goal?

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posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 03:33 PM
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Hi, I got a question which tortures me since a long time, hopefully it hasn't been asked a thousand times before. Don't get me wrong, I really like conspiracy theories, it's a good way to practise abstract thinking and really expands the view. But apart from all the small ones, what final goal has the greatest conspiracies of all, a "world conspiracy" of a few people, of an elite? I know, even so I never experienced it, that power is a mighty drug, better than sex they say. But: if all enemies are defeated, the whole population of the world maybe living like mind-controlled robots, working just for the few on top (allright, I know, sounds like today) WHAT THEN? If those few have all the power, all the control and all the money, what's the point? Please let's assume this time there are just human beings involved, no supernatural powers, no aliens, no multidimensional lifeforms. What could you possibly live for if you do own just about everything there is? Or is it just a big game like chess, and if somebody wins they simply start a new one? Can you give me a plausible answer?




posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 03:55 PM
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history will repeat itself.



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 03:55 PM
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Why wouldn't it be enough to have absolute power and whatever you wish?

Also, people will take power just to abuse it.

There was one study done where college students were seperated into 'cops' and 'crooks' and played like they were in a prison. Before long, the cops were beating the crooks, and the crooks were plotting against the cops.

Then there's the experiments where people were told 'there is a person in the next room, by pressing this button you give them an electric shock you can even increase the voltage'. After a short session, they were giving shocks clearly marked as leathal to these other people, often simply because the administrator of the test told them to do so. And they did it even tho they didn't want to.

People will do what they are told, power will corrupt, and a flawed enough 'system' can result in a sort of 'chain reaction', where even the people at the 'top' aren't in control of themselves.



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 04:43 PM
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Thanks Nygdan, but I know about those experiments, they did them in the seventies. That's what I mean: power is the best drug ever. But: If you have it all the time UNLIMITED, it just have to get boring. I can't imagine it would be satisfying anymore after a couple of weeks or months. Of course it's a great thing to have power if you never had it before. But if you have "everlasting" power, don't even have to fight for it anymore, then what?



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by new_falcon_XXI
Thanks Nygdan, but I know about those experiments, they did them in the seventies. That's what I mean: power is the best drug ever. But: If you have it all the time UNLIMITED, it just have to get boring. I can't imagine it would be satisfying anymore after a couple of weeks or months. Of course it's a great thing to have power if you never had it before. But if you have "everlasting" power, don't even have to fight for it anymore, then what?


Then you start expanding your borders, like many powerful have done before. Look at Hitler, Hussein, British monarchs, even Alexander the Great! They all had PLENTY of power, yet they wanted more. Few men in power have settled for what they had once they found out they could have more.



[edit on 11-4-2005 by sebatwerk]



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 08:43 PM
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No one ever will bother to tackle and answer this question correctly because the fact is nobody has a freakin' clue what's going on! One person says its the Antichrist and another says its Reptillian entities and other's say its just Satan alone. Then other's say its for power and control. Another says its a sick game for the elite and another says its the freakn Count of Saint Germain. Then you have others who say its the Masons and then another says its the Bavarian Illuminati. Others says its the founding fathers. Still others say its the Jews. So my question is who's right? None of you know. When it all comes down to it the conspiracy theorists even argue with their own kind. The world is a mess and everyone is going insane and everyone is screwing everyone and trying to make a buck in the process. Fact is that everything is so on the verge of collapse that the freakin' NWO couldn't do jack about anything anyways. I no it doesn't exactly answer the question but that's my point- its the question that conspiracy theorists don't even bother to answer or for that matter agree on. So basically its all just a big mess and we're all screwed NWO or otherwise.

[edit on 11-4-2005 by Born]



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 08:48 PM
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Well, some have said that the Nazi goal, for example, was to ultimately make their entire country like a giant, controlled, concentration camp. The people running the camps had great power, and the top nazis and rulers of the state had something pretty close to absolute power, but don't seemed to have gotten bored with it. True, its a different circumstance from complete and unending power.

Also, like the experiments demonstrate, the power starts running these people, not themselves. In the one experiement, it was the labcoat telling them to shock the other subject that was running things. The person doing was under compulsion, and bizzarely it was compulsion that was comming from themself. What happens if, rather than a labcoat, its a lawbook or beleif system giving the instructions? Heck, it doesn't even have to be one universal source.

And once the 'global totalitarian state' gets set up, people that are part of 'the system' are going to be similiarly compelled to protect,advance, maintain it and its interests, even if they are uncomfortable with it.



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 09:18 PM
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Problem is that a bunch of people believe that Nazi goal is the NWO's goal while others are talking about Reptillians, Masons, Antichrists, and Bavarian Illuminatis. So who's right?



posted on Apr, 12 2005 @ 04:27 PM
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Nah, Born, please, I don't want to know who, (almost) nobody can answer that. I want to learn about a plausible reason. WHY should somebody spend his lifetime to achieve this goal, maybe not even for himself but people after him? If they are so smart, why don't they think further? It would be as boring as paradise, you got everything you want...



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Born
So basically its all just a big mess and we're all screwed NWO or otherwise.


Dude, what you just wrote was the probably the best post i have ever read on ATS. Props to you. The only thing im going to add is that the NWO better give it their best shot because they seem to be this messed up world's only hope



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 05:39 PM
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Don't you see.

Now I will try and be as serious as I can.

We need no money, no global bank, no stock market, just to think for ourselves to learn what others have not to give not take.

People look at the violence and say "Oh someone will sort it out later" why do you think there is crime, MONEY without money you would have worldwide peace!! I know the theory sounds crazy now but read and make your own mind.

Firstly oil comes from the ground for FREE true we need machines and people to get the oil but these people will work for "Promised" food, clothes, a house and neccessities they get these FREE because they work. Same goes for everyone else you work you get food and the things you need but not limited to.

Honestly ask yourself what is money good for??? The best things in life are free, right??? If everyone worked for food etc. etc. obviously we would not go to living like barbarians living in caves because we have got too used to living the way we do. With the luxuries of eating a McDonalds and sitting on a cow watching plasma screens.

This is what I imagine the New World Order to be like, I do not expect there to be an all powerful world government that will dominate the world but rather a world government run by the people for the people through the use of the internet globally. One global police, one global army, global laws made by the people for the people not by politicians and governers!!!

You do not need anarchy or violence of any sort for the people of Earth to become free and debt free!!! Money is war, power and pure EVIL!!!

People can try to understand these things but instead I say do not understand, OVERSTAND!

Be better than what you see. I know its difficult seeing the world as it is but if you do not tell people whats going and what they can do, they tell themselves they are useless and powerless when they are not, we all have voices and they can be heard just as people are reading these words now.



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 05:45 PM
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I agree, exactly. The only question is are they going to pull it off, and how we can get intelligent people to help them do it.



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by JonestownRed
I agree, exactly. The only question is are they going to pull it off, and how we can get intelligent people to help them do it.


Stop thinking they instead think we, as a people can pull it off but we need to teach and enlighten ourselves as to how life could be 100% better than it is now.

You say intelligent people, everyone is intelligent to a degree its how you use this intelligence, some choose to use it for power others for money but most to help the needy. I think you need to convince the ignorant fools that cannot see that money corrupts and is helping these corrupt people to do evil things. Just because they are not published in The Sun, or on CNN doesn't mean its not happening instead it should be investigated.

Off subject:
Did you know human kind was smarter 200 years ago!!!



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 06:08 PM
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Well many intelligent people are religious, and if you are a christian and someone tells you that one world government is a good idea, you will think they are a bad person and probably supporting the antichrist.



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by JonestownRed
Well many intelligent people are religious, and if you are a christian and someone tells you that one world government is a good idea, you will think they are a bad person and probably supporting the antichrist.


We need to see beyond religion, I pretty much feel that the world wasn't created by an all powerful being.

I am def. not a Christian in fact I have no religion but I very much believe in higher conciousness and we live forever but not physically instead spiritually I do not believe in a god at all.

I doubt everyone who is not christian is not going to held back by christians and the churches 2000 year lie.



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 06:25 PM
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I have no religion either, Veritas, which is why i originally asked how we can get people too look past their bible and see the benefits of NWO scenario.



posted on Apr, 13 2005 @ 07:27 PM
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The thing is its not just Christians that are against the NWO. You have people that aren't christian that are highly against it because they think its ran by Reptillians, Masons, Immortals, Greys, Nazis, Illuminatis, etc. So even if your Jewish you may hate the New World Order because you think its ran by Reptillians and likewise if your a Christian you may hate the New World Order because you think it ran by evil Jews. Fact is that no one has a good reason for the NWO existing. And on top of that no one even has a clue who is in charge of this NWO.

And now back to the original topic:

So what is the goal of the NWO? Is it to Restore nature by decreasing the human population by the millions? Is it for the greater good of humanity? Is it to enslave humanity? Is it to bring about the Antichrist? Is it to get rid of the human population? Is it for a lust for power? Or is it just a sick game of chess for the elite? Why don't you conspiracy theorists keep argueing over it while I try to enjoy my life. Isn't that what you should be doing? I mean conspiracy theories are great guys because they do promote actual THINKING and open mindedness but don't get sucked in or you'll find that everything you look at will turn into a conspiracy. Just keep cool and live life like you were as a kid. Were you worried about an NWO then? I'm willing to guess you weren't and am going to bet you were better off then as well. I am not saying the global theory does not exist. I think it is good to keep an open mind towards everything. Just don't get sucked in and remember to take everything with a grain of salt.



posted on Apr, 14 2005 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by Born
The thing is its not just Christians that are against the NWO. You have people that aren't christian that are highly against it because they think its ran by Reptillians, Masons, Immortals, Greys, Nazis, Illuminatis, etc. So even if your Jewish you may hate the New World Order because you think its ran by Reptillians and likewise if your a Christian you may hate the New World Order because you think it ran by evil Jews. Fact is that no one has a good reason for the NWO existing. And on top of that no one even has a clue who is in charge of this NWO.

And now back to the original topic:

So what is the goal of the NWO? Is it to Restore nature by decreasing the human population by the millions? Is it for the greater good of humanity? Is it to enslave humanity? Is it to bring about the Antichrist? Is it to get rid of the human population? Is it for a lust for power? Or is it just a sick game of chess for the elite? Why don't you conspiracy theorists keep argueing over it while I try to enjoy my life. Isn't that what you should be doing? I mean conspiracy theories are great guys because they do promote actual THINKING and open mindedness but don't get sucked in or you'll find that everything you look at will turn into a conspiracy. Just keep cool and live life like you were as a kid. Were you worried about an NWO then? I'm willing to guess you weren't and am going to bet you were better off then as well. I am not saying the global theory does not exist. I think it is good to keep an open mind towards everything. Just don't get sucked in and remember to take everything with a grain of salt.


True, true, true I always try to keep an open mind and carry on with my life but there is a problem.

Money is the root of all evil!!! Until people realise this and rid themselves of this evil, the world will continue to be ruled by a few as it is now.

Like I said before the final goal of human kind is to rid the world of "Profits" "Social engineering" "Secrets" "Money" etc. etc. Then there will be total peace and we may live life trying to evolve properly as we should. Thats my answer to global peace "NO MONEY!!!"

It is the only way to be free, truly free! Its not about global governance as that will be inevitable regardless how many, religous peoples there is. Its about proving that the people are in control, not governers or politicians just the people. Thats all we need. We need not have secret bases and nuclear weapons if everyone helps to control a little piece of the world with each others help we can overstand these governers and politics and see the real world as it should be.



posted on Apr, 14 2005 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by Hunting Veritas

Money is the root of all evil!!! Until people realise this and rid themselves of this evil, the world will continue to be ruled by a few as it is now.

Like I said before the final goal of human kind is to rid the world of "Profits" "Social engineering" "Secrets" "Money" etc. etc. Then there will be total peace and we may live life trying to evolve properly as we should. Thats my answer to global peace "NO MONEY!!!"



Nice illusion, Hunting Veritas! As someone who grew up in the communist part of Germany till I was 16, travelled the world a little bit and had the chance to take a closer look on Cuban society as well as Western Africa, I tell you money is not the main problem. The real evil is human GREED. Everywhere I went I've seen a lot of very poor people, but as soon as they get some money, they want more, more and even more. And if they get more, they are not satisfied, because their greed is growing at the same speed as the amount of money is. Sadly, that's a worldwide phenomenon, and there is no way out. How will you bring 6 billion people to say "Money? Oh, I don't care. As long as the sun is shining and I got something to eat and drink, I'm happy" It's not working like this. The human nature is very easy to describe: dicontented (except maybe you're an enlightened buddhist).
To get a little closer to the problem: money was invented to make trading things easier. No farmer would need 100 cows. But maybe one day he thinks "Oh, I would like to have a beer tonight." What is he doing now? Trading one cow for one beer? Would be stupid. Better to sell the cow for money, get busted and save the rest for other thirsty nights, or Aspirin.
But then somebody invented interest, and compound interest and a little later there were stock markets and stuff. And some people made a very exciting discovery: if they had money enough, they wouldn't have to work anymore, but let the money work for them. Means they get something just because they own something. Sounds very unfair to me. From this point everything turned to the wrong direction, but I'm afraid it's been a point of no return.



posted on Apr, 14 2005 @ 11:20 AM
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Ok fair enough but still you do not see the bigger picture.

If nobody has money then nobody needs money. Get me so far.

So the farmer would not need to sell his cows, he gives them away for the comfort of having a house, clothes and any other neccessity he needs and if there is big enough demand he can have luxuries because the people making the beer for free because they have everything they need plus luxuries that are wanted by individuals as a whole.

I can see your point about countries with no money, but you see its the money that corrupts people because they want more, more, more as you rightly say.

This is not an illusion it is simple plain and fact that you could live without money just with the help of others and everything you need to survive. Seeds are free to grow the crops, water is free, oxygen is free etc. etc. I am enlightened but not religious in any way, shape or form.

All these countries including the western countries could theoretically speaking of course live without money.

I know of a saying, "if you give a man a fish he will eat for a day however if you teach a man to fish he will eat for a lifetime". Does this make more sense.

I am not telling everyone to go and catch fish, what I am saying is EVERYONE should think and feel for themselves and each other as this is the only true freedom.

Quick example:
The person is single and has to work 2 jobs just to pay the rent, the gas, water food on the table and electricity, not to mention this person has 2 children and the partner left this person at the end of the 14 hour shift of two jobs gets home at sommin like 10 at night then realises they must clean parts of the house and on top of this they want to relax, the next day it starts over again and again and again etc. etc.

Human greed manifests itself through the power of money. So without money people cannot become powerful as there is no money to make them powerful.

Honestly speaking why do you work??? To earn money so you can have a house and lots of food a good family etc. etc. But you see you can have all of this without money as I keep saying. Only EVERYONE needs to realise money does not help the world one little bit.



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