NEWS: China and India form 'Strategic partnership'

Thanks for posting this...my "WTF" meter was off the scale. Anyone who knows real Chinese people, refugees, immigrants, etc. knows otherwise. Even tho the Communists would have you believe otherwise. Hell, the guy in the next cubicle at the office here, the only person in America I've heard in years who speaks the word "communist" with the deep seated hatred of personal experience, where now we're supposed to be "tolerant" and "can't we all just get along".

Only in today's America do we insist on believing the propaganda machines of various nations , rather than the words of people who've come from those same nations.

Originally posted by Ishes

Originally posted by COWlan
Actually just to state the fact, 92% of all Chinese people are Aethiests (people who do not believe in God or Religion), the rest 8% are spread out in Islam, Budhism, Taoism, Confuscism and so on.

Actually, just to state a fact, you are TOTALLY, TOTALLY wrong.

en.wikipedia.org...

Buddhists 72%
Muslims 11%
Protestant Christians 10%
Catholic Christians 5.10%
Taoists 1.5%

I actually think China will last a very long time. Unlike many other nations, like Iran, which is currently resisting much change, China is gradually, step-by-step, changing.

The question is, even if it does change, does that mean it's stance against the U.S. will change as well? I also doubt this, because form of government does not automatically make two parties instant friends.

Actually you are totally totally wrong, here check the facts, I believe in the CIA world fact book more than the encyclopaedia.

www.odci.gov...

According to the CIA, 3-4% are Christian 1-2% are muslim, Taoist or Bhuddist.

CIA states China is officially Aethist.

I have mixed feeling on this.

BTW, heres a recent article that says "China Seen Seeking Peaceful Rise".

Economicaly speaking this is a good thing or Asia, but (being American) I cant help but think of the war possibilities and outcomes.

It seems that China wants to be friends with India, but the problem with that is that the US also wants to be friends with them. Over the following years the US will give India much technology, from civilian reactors to the F-16, Maybe India will end up having close ties to both countries and will play the "peacekeeper" role, and not let the US & China go to war. who knows.

Phugedaboudet,

Most dynasties in China has lasted longer then the existence of the USA.

China has 90% Han majority, unlike the Soviet Union which had much less % of Russians.

This is good..?.
They are only starting country relationships that will magnify
x-K shortly. All kinds of new # between strategic countries are about or already have begun to form.

Look at the EU/Russia..

Dallas

lets get one thing straight, the U.S. isn't sweating China or India. If the U.S. decides so, it will cut off all of their progression by not trading with them anymore. Economically, the US still holds every alliance, no matter how big, in check. Oh yeah, and what has the US done so wrong in its time as being the world leader. Pardon my french, but you guys are idiots who think the US is a bad super power. They are the greatest Super Power ever. What other country has killed it's own citizens in wars just to give another man the right to say what he wants to say, to be free? Europeans need to get a grip on reality, and drop their anti-american bullcrap. I don't want to bring up wars because they are what happened in the past, but freedom is now. However, lets do a fun game on all the ingrates in Europe, i won't say England is one, because they seem to respect us very much so, probably for many reasons aside from them being smart. But here we go... ALL OF EUROPE! Whether it be Eastern Europe and fighting for their rights through stalemates, or western Germany for keeping them free. How about the others in the wars. Like I said, England is the only good country right now, except maybe Spain and the Island nations too. I am probably wrong here about all of europe, i know i am forgetting some other countries.

As an American I will be one to say that a big problem we have been contributing to for a very logn time as a Super Power and world leader is keeping the undeveloped world in instability nd chaos by constantly supplying arms to warring factions.

Yes I agree with you on that. However, I am still not happy that Europeans are excitedly awaiting the fall of the U.S. Like we have done something to oppress them.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
I find this an incredible story. How often is it that two of the world's most populous and powerful countries, contrasted by the fact one is a liberal democracy and the other is an unspecified authoritarian government, get together and form a partnership such as this.
..............

Since when is India a liberal democracy? Supposedly India is a federal democracy, but in reality a great part of the population, which is most of the population, is controlled by the higher castes because of their religious beliefs which is a fundamental part of their lives.

There have been quite a few improvements in India, but the majority of people over there are controlled by the caste system.

And China is now an unspecified authoritarian government?

China is a communist country, which is using capitalism to not only stay afloat, but in order to make their government more powerful.

Many communists are using capitalism to make more money for themselves and keep their regimes afloat, or to make them more powerful. But this doesn't make them less communists.

I am not sure what to make of this, but something to note is that most people in both these countries are paid less than most other countries in the world. If this pact actually helps the people more, i would say it is good. But knowing the history of the communists officials in China.....I don't really believe for one moment they are thinking about what is the best for their people....


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Originally posted by COWlan
Actually you are totally totally wrong, here check the facts, I believe in the CIA world fact book more than the encyclopaedia.

www.odci.gov...

According to the CIA, 3-4% are Christian 1-2% are muslim, Taoist or Bhuddist.

CIA states China is officially Aethist.

Well that proves one thing. No matter how much money the US goverment puts into the CIA, they're still headless chickens.

Sorry my friend, you are wrong, and so are your facts.

well cryptorsa,i live in hyderabad.it's india's second biggest name in IT and fir us here the high US investment u were talking about really isn't showing.here a lot of indian IT companies rule the sector.a lot of ITES based companies too(bet you hate them).compared to china the FII investments in india have been really marginal(about 1/10 of china) and still we manage to function and there're a lot of jobs for us here because there are a lot of investments from the companies from here.

what we think of US?well tell me what did u think of the russians supplying nuclear missiles to cuba?the f-16 deal with pak is still something a lot of us here talk about and the fact that they are ready to offer f-18(which india is not in a position to buy cause the 126 planes we want to buy are out to replace migs-21s and 25s and we do already have better planes in that class(su-mki)) hasn't really charmed us(atleast me i can say for sure).i don't know if i speak of all of us here but i do know that based on the newspapers what i'm saying might be what many of us think of america.

charon, thanks for the reply. Sounds like you might be working in IT.

well cryptorsa,i live in hyderabad.it's india's second biggest name in IT and fir us here the high US investment u were talking about really isn't showing.here a lot of indian IT companies rule the sector.a lot of ITES based companies too(bet you hate them).compared to china the FII investments in india have been really marginal(about 1/10 of china) and still we manage to function and there're a lot of jobs for us here because there are a lot of investments from the companies from here.

I have recently started to correspond with someone who is in IT that lives in Hyderabad. Banglador must be the place that American companies have built their campuses at. I do not hate the ITES based companies. You guys are just trying to make a living like myself. It is good that you have a lot of internal investments that way you can control your own destiny. One note of advise that I would like to extend to you if you are involved with IT related work is to save as much money as you can while work is plentiful. It can change over night. Brazil and the Philippians are becoming the hot spot right now to offshore since it is even cheaper than India to send work to.

what we think of US?well tell me what did u think of the russians supplying nuclear missiles to cuba?the f-16 deal with pak is still something a lot of us here talk about and the fact that they are ready to offer f-18(which india is not in a position to buy cause the 126 planes we want to buy are out to replace migs-21s and 25s and we do already have better planes in that class(su-mki)) hasn't really charmed us(atleast me i can say for sure).i don't know if i speak of all of us here but i do know that based on the newspapers what i'm saying might be what many of us think of america.

I can definitely understand your point of view. I would have to say that I would be pissed off about the arms deal if I were you. Please do not judge all Americans by the actions of its government. I am sure that your government has policies that you may not agree with as well.

Originally posted by cryptorsa1001
I can definitely understand your point of view. I would have to say that I would be pissed off about the arms deal if I were you. Please do not judge all Americans by the actions of its government. I am sure that your government has policies that you may not agree with as well.

Insecurity...

No government is 100% agreeable. That doesn't take Sherlock to figure out.

Charon, what do you think of politics in India? And what kind of influence and effect do you think India and Indians have had on the world? Especially in present times, India seems to be a real strong, driving force all around the world, even in America.

Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo

Insecurity...

No government is 100% agreeable. That doesn't take Sherlock to figure out.

sweatmonicaIdo, I sure do appreciate you pointing that out for me. Since my name is not Sherlock I should have already known that.

India is an emerging power and certainly has a good information and technology industry. It also has little environmental regulations (ala the toxic shipbreaking yards), famines, roving paramilitary armies, a recently defeated and certainly disgruntled nationalist party, an a disturbing potential for nationwide ethnic/sectarian violence.

On the other hand, imagine if they surmounted all of that and re-united with Pakistan and Bangaldesh!

thanks for the reply cryptrosa and monica.well first thing crypt i dhave to say that i agree with you about the outsourcing deals.yes the MNC's will find a newer and cheaper market to exploit for sure and as someone studying computer sciences,i have to say i'm not really suprised.the IT sector did not begin with the outsourcing to end with it though,crypt.outsourcing made the media look ay india and give it some attention.the IT sector in india is beyond ITES(outsourcing)there are a lot of companies working on software development and solutions.in fact most of the companies which start in ITES are getting into the IT which is a good sign.
i don't want the IT sector to be the only factor driving the econmy esp. in the future.i disagree with most of my friends in india when they say IT can do it all alone.i believe the IT boom right now is simply the foundation not the entire sturcture of the indian economy compareable to the automobile industry boom during pre and post WWII in the USA.i do believe that indian story is justing beginning and we got a long way to go but we'll get there slow and possibly more steadier.the IT factor has encouaged the telecom industry to grow faster than any other year this and last year and so i believe this to be a good sign of growth in other sectors too which will further drive the economy.

monica,what kind of influence india have or had?well you got that funny guy in the simpsons.i don't know to be honest what kind of influence india has on the world.it's something you guys and gals living outside india can answer better than i can.
but one influence i wish india have is to strengthen the UN.i believe that it's important to have an accountable and competent world body esp.considering the odd scandals and scams going on there these days.i hated the uni polar world and i'm not a big fan of this idea of three nations(if i can include india if won't mind) deciding what to do and what not to do in world scenario.every nation should have it's say in the world arena not the big five or eight deciding for them,i believe.


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what do i think of the politics in india?i think it's ok.the last elections made me believe in the maturity of the indian voter,monica when they kicked out the hindu fundamentalists and voted for the party more interested in socialistic way of doing things.
the present PM of india is the guy who initialized the disinvestmeant in the 90's and the financial minister is a harvard economics graduate.i'm looking forward for some great deals coming out of them.
the left parties here try to balance and control unneccessary privatisation on the top of all that.so i do feel secure about the economy for sure atleast,monica.