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Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
The idea of fighting Aliens is quite irrelevant, and goes against my logic. For aliens to master Interstellar travel and be that advanced without destroying themselves chances are they would be peaceful.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Even if they are not peacful, and wanted to take us over, why would they wait for us to build up our defences? Being that advanced they wouldn't just destroy us for the fun of it, they would want the resources, and couldn't use anything to harm Earth's resources
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
If we are going to die anyways why not threaten to anti-matter bomb the whole planet, making the most logical reason they would attack pointless?
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Now what is your argument of logic to counter mine?
Originally posted by ThePunisher
You would need to have countered my post for that to apply.
Originally posted by ThePunisher
And i havnt said that you have, through reading your posts, you 'describe' them as being all powerful in certain and very many aspects.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
''The Zetan-aliens realized the development of atomic weapons on Terra after the nuclear bombs were dropped on Japan in 1945. This was followed by a large and well-known UFO flap over US military installations.''
Originally posted by ThePunisher
Above is one of the areas where your theory collapses...
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
The only logical conclusion is that the Zetan-aliens didn't do so simply because they are incapable of true time travel.
Originally posted by ThePunisher
Now re-read this part of your post below.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
The Zetan-aliens realized the development of atomic weapons on Terra after the nuclear bombs were dropped on Japan in 1945.
Originally posted by ThePunisher
So for certain parts of your various statements you want people to believe these aliens are clueless, yet when saying other statments you want people to believe the aliens know what is going on, and can take DECISIVE action.
Originally posted by ThePunisher
Your saying the aliens where clueless around the Manhatten Project and did nothing, yet it was the most important thing on there agenda, at that time...
Originally posted by ThePunisher
So for your logical conclusion to work, you need people to believe the aliens didnt notice the main thing they wanted to stop, unfolding for many YEARS on the WORLD stage.
Originally posted by ThePunisher
Yet these are the same aliens you say who prize INTELLIGENCE and not getting caught out short.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
The idea of fighting Aliens is quite irrelevant, and goes against my logic. For aliens to master Interstellar travel and be that advanced without destroying themselves chances are they would be peaceful.
Originally posted by CloudlessKnight
Not necessarily true. The most aggressive nations in our history also happened to be the most technologically advanced. We're not aggressive because we're technologically advanced, we're technologically advanced because we're aggressive. War, competition, and necessity are the main forces that drive our civilizations toward success. Throw in a little curiosity for good measure...
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Even if they are not peacful, and wanted to take us over, why would they wait for us to build up our defences? Being that advanced they wouldn't just destroy us for the fun of it, they would want the resources, and couldn't use anything to harm Earth's resources
Originally posted by CloudlessKnight
While I do think they want to "take us over" (and in fact they already have), I don't think this will be done in the traditional sense of war that we associate the word with. This is a covert war, at least right now. I don't think they'd destroy us just for the fun of it either. We seem to be a sort of on-going project of theirs. Perhaps they need us. What if we're the resources they're here for?
One of these days, humans are going to want their freedom. But they don't want us to have it. History is evidence that humans can only tolerate their slavery for so long before they decide to do something about it.
Originally posted by CloudlessKnight
Not necessarily true. The most aggressive nations in our history also happened to be the most technologically advanced. We're not aggressive because we're technologically advanced, we're technologically advanced because we're aggressive. War, competition, and necessity are the main forces that drive our civilizations toward success. Throw in a little curiosity for good measure...
Originally posted by CloudlessKnight
While I do think they want to "take us over" (and in fact they already have), I don't think this will be done in the traditional sense of war that we associate the word with. This is a covert war, at least right now. I don't think they'd destroy us just for the fun of it either. We seem to be a sort of on-going project of theirs. Perhaps they need us. What if we're the resources they're here for?
Originally posted by CloudlessKnight
That's a very likely possiblity. However, how long do you think a threat like that would hold? They would never give us our freedom. To tell them "Get off our planet and leave us alone or we'll blow ourselves up and take the planet with us" is still only giving them one option.
1. No planet or people to rule over... or
2. No planet or people to rule over.
See what I mean?
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
CloudlessKnight is absolutely right
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Indeed, they are already here and in great numbers. UFO reports are many and all over the globe. The covert war with the aliens has been going on for many years. Unfortunately, abductees are often in the front lines of this conflict. The aliens do not wish to destroy us, they wish to harvest us as they have been for many thousands of years, for their own selfish purposes.
Would they use their nuclear arsenal or even their more powerful antimatter weapons against us?
Sure they would.
There are indications in history that they have already done precisely that.
Evidence of Ancient Atomic Warfare
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
But they will not destroy most of the surface population (again) unless they feel that their control over this planet is threatened in some way. They prefer to continue on with their covert operation of subtle subjugation. One does not destroy a farm and slave resource needlessly. That is precisely how they look upon this situation.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
If they take what they want and have time travel capability, then why didn't they stop the Manhattan Project and any other atomic weapons programs from starting in the first place? A number of surgical strikes could have wiped out atomic research and development for many years -- even indefinitely.
The only logical conclusion is that the Zetan-aliens didn't do so simply because they are incapable of true time travel.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
The only logical conclusion is that the Zetan-aliens didn't do so simply because they are incapable of true time travel.
Originally posted by ThePunisher
Your saying the aliens where clueless around the Manhatten Project and did nothing, yet it was the most important thing on there agenda, at that time...
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Quote me as to where I say that the aliens were "clueless" about anything. What I said and implied is that they were unable to prevent or stop the Manhattan Project through time travel technology. I also stated that they became aware of nuclear weapons development after the first atomic bombs were dropped on Japan in 1945. They were not "clueless" after those events, but aware.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
So I guess what your saying is we already are a "farm" which Aliens can harvest. That would make more sense to do it covertly rather than one big war, but how many people that disappear are thought to be abductess? I mean wouldn't we realize if they were harvesting us?
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
If they take what they want and have time travel capability, then why didn't they stop the Manhattan Project and any other atomic weapons programs from starting in the first place? A number of surgical strikes could have wiped out atomic research and development for many years -- even indefinitely.
The only logical conclusion is that the Zetan-aliens didn't do so simply because they are incapable of true time travel.
Originally posted by ThePunisher
What you stated still doesnt work, despite your ramblings and picking on words to try confuse other readers and avoid the issue, as well as the points i am bringing up.
Originally posted by ThePunisher
For the simple fact the aliens who you say deal in technological advancements and even you say WORK with the MILITARY AND GOVERNMENT... didnt know what was going on over the YEARS of nuclear testing.
Originally posted by ThePunisher
Remember you said in posts on the last page they could of easily stopped the Manhatten Project even indefinitly, so you need there to be belief they didnt notice it being worked on for YEARS, and so you say this means they havnt got time travel, because they dont go back and stop it.
Originally posted by ThePunisher
You know your other logics states they would of known what was happening on the WORLD STAGE, yet they were caught ASLEEP for MANY years on this occasion, is needed to be thought for your time travel statement to work, among the many other flaws it relies on.
Originally posted by ThePunisher
Exactly for your statements to work you need there to be a belief that the aliens where clueless around the Manhatten Project, for all the years and massive testing and Global work that went into it..
Originally posted by ThePunisher
The very avenue you say the aliens work in with Government and Military.....Advanced weaponary etc....
So they only knew what was happening after the first bombs where dropped is needed to be believed for your statements to work..
Originally posted by ThePunisher
For the reason you state also that they could of easily stopped the Manhatten Project..
Originally posted by ThePunisher
And that would of been of the most importance to do so,,Maybe they have the worst Intelligence agency??? so where clueless about the MASSIVE Manhatten Project.....
Originally posted by ThePunisher
Though you also say in other posts, INTELLIGENCE is of the upmost importance to them..
Paul_Richard
They could have stopped the Manhattan Project easily through surgical strikes IF they had time travel capability. However, they DO NOT have time travel capability and therefore cannot stop the Manhattan Project from starting in the first place.
BBC NEWS - Science/Nature 17 June, 2005
Researchers speculate that time travel can occur within a kind of feedback loop where backwards movement is possible, but only in a way that is "complementary" to the present.
In other words, you can pop back in time and have a look around, but you cannot do anything that will alter the present you left behind.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
The only reason we fight is because we have something to fear of the other countries on Earth. We pose literally no threat to any Aliens, and although we may not be peaceful, I think them announcing their presence will stop us from fighting. Alot of the wars of the past were fought between people of different cultures and different religions. We would feel unified as humans knowing Aliens exist and stop squabbling.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
I'd hope these superioir beings wouldn't enslave or destroy us, but rather police us to make sure we live up to our full potential.
Originally posted by lost_shaman
Paul_Richard
They could have stopped the Manhattan Project easily through surgical strikes IF they had time travel capability. However, they DO NOT have time travel capability and therefore cannot stop the Manhattan Project from starting in the first place.
BBC NEWS - Science/Nature 17 June, 2005
Researchers speculate that time travel can occur within a kind of feedback loop where backwards movement is possible, but only in a way that is "complementary" to the present.
In other words, you can pop back in time and have a look around, but you cannot do anything that will alter the present you left behind.
What if they do have Time Travel Capability , and simply can not change the past in that way?
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Don't you think it is just a little naive to believe that just because some extraterrestrials showed up publicly, that suddenly all the wars and conflicts around this planet would stop and we would all unite as a planetary people? That is unrealistic.
If anything, people would be more prone to rebel against their governments for lying to them about aliens over the course of many years. Many would riot and you would have branches of the military strongly considering a coup over those federal agencies that side with the hostile aliens that use many common citizens as laboratory animals and slaves.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
You mean like the United States has done with many countries around the world?
Considering all the hostility and resentment of many people and nations towards the power and influence of the US, I see that being duplicated with the aliens. Millions would hate the aliens and come up with conspiracy theories about them just as they do about the leaders of the United States. The focus of hostility and resentment would shift from being directed toward the United States and its policing of the planet, to the aliens and their policing of the planet!
The Zetan-aliens are only "superior" in their technology. They are not our spiritual masters and they are not ascended beings of light, despite their propaganda furthered through brainwashed abductees.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Don't you think it is just a little naive to believe that just because some extraterrestrials showed up publicly, that suddenly all the wars and conflicts around this planet would stop and we would all unite as a planetary people? That is unrealistic.
If anything, people would be more prone to rebel against their governments for lying to them about aliens over the course of many years. Many would riot and you would have branches of the military strongly considering a coup over those federal agencies that side with the hostile aliens that use many common citizens as laboratory animals and slaves.
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
Maybe a little unrealisitic, but most of Wars of fought because of different religons and cultures. They might be our creators, or know how we came to be to solve all of that.
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
You mean like the United States has done with many countries around the world?
Considering all the hostility and resentment of many people and nations towards the power and influence of the US, I see that being duplicated with the aliens. Millions would hate the aliens and come up with conspiracy theories about them just as they do about the leaders of the United States. The focus of hostility and resentment would shift from being directed toward the United States and its policing of the planet, to the aliens and their policing of the planet!
Originally posted by Charlie Murphy
The United States of America can't police the world and that is a bad analogy. The United States directly disobeyed the UN, and did whatever the wanted. Right now the United States is making the rules, but in my suggestion, the UN would ask Aliens to help stop the use of nuclear arms upon ourselves.
The Aliens wouldn't pass laws only enforce them. I meant like if any country used a nuke, their military would be wiped out by the Aliens.
Originally posted by Selective_ID
When the day comes, that aliens expose themselfs to the general public in a huge movement, then I'll worry.
Having said that, I'll also be chopping the hell out of them...
Originally posted by ThePunisher
Among other things the point being made is that your "The only logical conclusion" was bad wording at the very least
Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Originally posted by Selective_ID
When the day comes, that aliens expose themselfs to the general public in a huge movement, then I'll worry.
Having said that, I'll also be chopping the hell out of them...
As long as one avoids the paralysis beams, your general intention sounds like a good idea.