If there is a major war for oil it won't be the fault of any President, Dictator, or Communist Regime, it'll be all YOUR fault. Well mine too, and every other consumer in the world. Don't forget only half the oil used is for cars and heating the rest goes to manufacturing all those wonderful plastic throw away items we all love so much. No, if there are wars, it won't be governments to blame, you'll all demand that they do something when all of a sudden a bottle of Coke costs $6 bucks because oil is at $150 a barrel.

I think people are missing a big part of the Peak Oil discussion, and that's the manufacturing aspect. Just take a quick glance around the room you're in and see how many items have petroleum in them, every piece of plastic does. All of your CD-Roms do, and your DVD's too, don't forget their cases, and oh yeah, your keyboard too.

Not many of us would say "Let's go to war for oil!" if gas tripled in price, but wait till all those single use syringes at the hospital triple in price or your Nike's go through the roof because of all the petroleum used to make 'em.

We have got to look at Peak Oil as a whole picture not just whether or not we can afford S.U.V.'s. There's sooo much more to it than the "price at the pump". Even if we stopped driving cars alltogether right this very moment then we'd still only cut the oil useage down by less than half. People look at China's astronomical growth in their oil consumption and think it's because of all the new cars their drivin' but it's more than that for sure. The Chinese and Indian middle classes are growing very fast and there buying all those wonderfull gadgets that eat up oil in their manfacture.

If we want to avoid wars for oil then we're gonna need to do alot more than start driving hybrid cars. But regardless, at some point we're all gonna demand that oil be secured for us in order to preserve our way of life. We don't wanna go back to the 1700's.

No, you won't hear people scream "Let's go to war for oil" but you'll demand lower healthcare costs and want to keep inflation down, try to keep us competitive globally, and all of those arguments. Meanwhile all the world leaders know you have to keep cheap oil to achieve those things, so you'll be asking them to fight for oil, without even knowing it.

At anyrate.....YUP war=bad oil=bad Were gonna have a bad war for bad oil.

By starting a war for oil we arent prolonging the demise of oil, we are bringing it about quicker. Tanks, boats, planes, jeeps, helis, trucks, etc all need oil, and since oil supply is decreasing, by having all these vehicles that use tons of oil is just going to cause more problems. This doesnt mean that Bush or our government is smart enough to use this advice and focus on alternative energies more but yea. Its going to be like World War I all over again.

Hasnt been a world war in a while, a lot of problems will lead up to it, one small event will spark the entire conflict. The underlying cause will probably be oil, but id expect a smaller event to spark the war, like an assassination, huge terrorist attack, or something of that order. Can just hope for the best, quick war, with minimal casualties and no huge plagues after the war is over.

Originally posted by alawler
By starting a war for oil we arent prolonging the demise of oil, we are bringing it about quicker. Tanks, boats, planes, jeeps, helis, trucks, etc all need oil, and since oil supply is decreasing, by having all these vehicles that use tons of oil is just going to cause more problems. This doesnt mean that Bush or our government is smart enough to use this advice and focus on alternative energies more but yea. Its going to be like World War I all over again.

Yeah, ain't that ironic. Actually, more like hubris I think.

Hasnt been a world war in a while, a lot of problems will lead up to it, one small event will spark the entire conflict. The underlying cause will probably be oil, but id expect a smaller event to spark the war, like an assassination, huge terrorist attack, or something of that order. Can just hope for the best, quick war, with minimal casualties and no huge plagues after the war is over.

You know, when this thread initially started, I thought it was a bit doomy and gloomy. Gotta say that that stepped it up a notch. I agree tho. History has shown that there tends to be a very specific event that sets wars in motion. Peak oil, in a sense is an event however, just a little less obvious than an assasination or terrorist attack.

I was listening to Coast To Coast last night and the guest Charles R. Smith discussed technological advances in weaponry as of late. He also spoke to his own belief that there would be a coming war betweeen China and the US around 2008 based on a few things.

1) China and the US have been escalating weapons programs in the past ten years in a sort of "silent cold war" that is bound to erupt into a hot war at some time in the near future.

2) China has landgrabbed or purchased important areas (ex: Panama Canal, oil-rich areas of the Indian ocean) and are energy-hungry.

thought it was interesting and thought of this thread.

Wow, awesome links there. Way Above!

Originally posted by darwinman1
Wow, awesome links there. Way Above!

Thanx!! Glad to be of some help.