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reply posted on 14-5-2005 @ 03:06 AM by W4rl0rD
About the laser on the Type-98, it is recieving this much attention more because it is the first time an "offensive" laser was mounted on a tank. Not much is known about this, but basically it fries a tanks optics and/or blinds the people targeted by the laser.

Then, about the T-90 being better than the Type-98, nobody knows for sure, I know Kozzy and his rankings are quite good, but then again, Stealth Spy believes that the Arjun is better than the T-90, and some Americans belive that the M1A2 is better than the Challenger 2. To me, they are all around the same level, nothing is known for sure, but I belive the T-90 was offered to China and China refused the offer.

Article on the Dazzler system:



The Type 98 features an JD-3 integrated laser rangefinder/warning/self-defence device. Unlike contemporary Russian active tank self-defense systems like Drozd, Drozd-2, and Arena, which launch projectiles to disable or "shoot-down" incoming anti-tank missiles and projectiles, the Chinese system apparently uses a high-powered laser to directly attack the enemy weapon's optics and gunner.

The system includes what appears to be a laser warning receiver (LWR - the dome-shaped device on the turret roof behind the commander's position), that warns the crew that their tank is being illuminated by an enemy range-finding or weapon-guidance laser. The turret of the tank can then be traversed to face the direction of the enemy threat, and the laser self-defence weapon ('___'W - the box-shaped device on the turret roof behind the gunner's position), can be employed against the source of the enemy laser.

The procedure of the laser weapon would first use a low-powered beam to locate the optics of the enemy weapon. Once the enemy weapon was located, the power level of the laser would be immediately and dramatically increased. Such an attack would disable the guidance optics of the enemy weapon and/or damage the eyesight of the enemy gunner.

The available photos of the Type 98 have also confirmed that the laser weapon can be elevated to a higher angle than the tank's main gun, indicating that the engagement of attack helicopters is possible. In addition, the laser device could also be used for communications between friend tanks.



reply posted on 14-5-2005 @ 07:05 AM by chinawhite
Perhaps the most interesting characteristic of the Type 98 is the addition of what appears to be a previously unknown active self-defense system. Unlike contemporary Russian active tank self-defense systems like Drozd, Drozd-2, and Arena, which launch projectiles to disable or "shoot-down" incoming anti-tank missiles and projectiles, the Chinese system apparently uses a high-powered laser to directly attack the enemy weapon's optics and gunner. The system includes what appears to be a laser warning receiver (LWR - the dome-shaped device on the turret roof behind the commander's position), that warns the crew that their tank is being illuminated by an enemy range-finding or weapon-guidance laser. The turret of the tank can then be traversed to face the direction of the enemy threat, and the laser self-defense weapon ('___'W - the box-shaped device on the turret roof behind the gunner's position), can be employed against the source of the enemy laser.


While the engagement procedure of the Type 98's self-defense laser is unknown, published reports concerning similar weapons describe a procedure where the laser weapon would first use a low-powered beam to locate the optics of the enemy weapon. Once the enemy weapon was located, the power level of the laser would be immediately and dramatically increased. Such an attack would disable the guidance optics of the enemy weapon and/or damage the eyesight of the enemy gunner.

The turret-mounted system carried by the Type 98 is very similar to a tripod-mounted laser weapon that was seen for the first time at an arms exhibition in Manila in 1995. Identified at the exhibition as the "Laser Interference Device," it matched the description of a known Chinese laser weapon called the ZM-87. According to its promotional information, one of the ZM-87's major uses is to "injure or dizzy targeted individuals." The ZM-87 can reportedly injure the human eye at 2-3 kms, this rising to over 5 kms using a 7-power magnification device. Additionally, short-term "flaring blind-ness" can be inflicted on the human eye at up to 10 kms. The ZM-87 and the laser weapon carried by the Type 98 should not be confused with electro-optical "dazzlers" like those turret-mounted de-vices used by the Iraqis during Operation Desert Storm. Those Iraqi devices (some of which are believed to have been supplied by the Chinese), are designed to confuse the tracking systems of Western/NATO anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs), without directly attacking the controlling optics or the eyesight of the weapon's gunner. The available photos of the Type 96 have also confirmed that the laser weapon can be elevated to a higher angle than the tank's main gun, indicating that the engagement of attack helicopters is possible.


this is the ZM-87



reply posted on 14-5-2005 @ 11:52 AM by Stealth Spy



can someone tell me what that part in chinese/japanese reads, cause i think it has some info on the Type-98 being a more advanced, slightly cosmetically tweaked t-72


reply posted on 14-5-2005 @ 12:38 PM by Stealth Spy
And about the american tanks, well the American Abrams M1A1 tank's armour is not as good as advertised .



^^American Abrams M1A1 tank (serial # L13170) in Baghdad, after being hit by an 8-mm speed-of-light man portable gas plasma weapon. Plasma ball entered through skirt armor covering right track, cut through main hull armor (right side), then grazed rear of gunner's seat and control panel before gouging a 2" deep hole in main hull armor (left side). Just like sliding a hot knife through soft butter. Sadly for America, Los Alamos hasn't got anything even remotely like it

source




When America invested billions in the development of the Abrams battle tank, the Russians started to look for a more economical way of killing it without bothering to build an opposition tank of their own. To this end, they duplicated the American armor and tested different methods of penetrating it with lightweight economical weapons. Long before America invaded Russian ally Iraq in 2003, they had already found the answer.

Before America crossed the border from Kuwait into Iraq, Russia discreetly supplied the Republican Guard with more than 1,000 "Kornet" anti-tank missiles. Each of these and its launcher can easily be handled by a team of three men, and be fired from a simple hole in the desert. Kornet is a laser-guided Mach 3 nightmare with a double warhead guaranteed to finish off at Abrams from 5,000 yards away. In other words, completely out of sight of the American tank crew until missile impact. These missiles have already accounted for more than 60 Abrams tanks in Iraq, and will unquestionably account for a lot more in the future.

Source



reply posted on 14-5-2005 @ 09:14 PM by chinawhite
first of all when sinodefence says based hull it means use it as a starting place to devlop there own hull. there is a difference between BASED and IS

if you can see the wheels on the t-98 are spaced out and the hull is longer. you would need a different drive machanism to move them. and differnt engine

it you want to compare looks





leopard 2
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well stealth spy if we're going by how tanks look the arjun is a copy of the leopard 2


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reply posted on 15-5-2005 @ 12:05 AM by chinawhite
holy crap nice find

the hull of these two look almost identical on the outside even the space between the wheels are the same

good link to more pics of leopard 2

www.fprado.com...

LEOPARD 2A6 MAIN BATTLE TANK - SPECIFICATIONS

Weight 62 metric tons
Length 7.7 m
Width 3.7 m
Height 3.0 m
Maximum speed 72 km/hr
Maximum range 500 km

Arjun specs

Weight 59 tons
Length (gun forwards)10.19m
Width (over tracks) 3.5m
Height 3.025
maximum speed 72-70 kph

arjun side view
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and leopard 2




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