India to acquire 400 more T-90 tanks from Russia

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posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 09:40 AM
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here's some new news :


India is expected to buy 400 more T-90S main battle tanks (MBT) from Russia under a deal likely to be signed soon, a media report said here today.

"In June, the state-run Uralvagonzavod enterprise will obtain a major T-90S production contract and India would receive upto 400 MBTs worth USD 900 million to USD 1 billion," financial daily 'Vedomosti' said.

Although Russia's arms exporting agency Rosoboronexport declined to comment, a source close to the Federal Service for Military and Technical Cooperation said that Indo-Russian talks on supplying 400 T-90S tanks have made "considerable headway and the contract was likely to be signed soon".

In February 2001, India had signed a USD 700 million deal with Russia for the purchase of 310 T-90S MBTs, of which Uralvagonzavod had delivered 124 tanks, while remaining 186 were assembled at Avadi Heavy Vehicles Factory near Chennai from the kits supplied by the Russian defence company.

The transfer of technology contract was completed last year.

Deputy Director of the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, Konstantin Makiyenko told the daily that India wants to acquire another 400 T-90S tanks "to help restore balance of forces", after Pakistan, Ukraine and Saudi Arabia launched joint production of Al-Khalid MBT-2000 tanks.

Unlike standard Russian versions, the custom-made T-90S that India has been buying feature French-made equipment, including thermal imaging systems.


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check out the details of India's T-90S details

this is really kind of a thumb's down to india's ingegenous Arjun tanks.
arjun details




posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 10:15 AM
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I really don't understand why are they not building their tanks in India. Such a large country... It's not that difficult like modern aircrafts, for example.



posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 10:26 AM
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Mmmmm....I wonder how much food the public of India could have with $1 billion dollars? One of the worlds poorest nations. But lets send that money to another country instead for weapons.



posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by skippytjc
One of the worlds poorest nations


India is the world's 4th largest ecomony, with a purchasing power greater than the UK.It's slated to become the world's 3rd largest in 10 years time.

India spends only 2% of its GDP on defence.

India has alredy developed 4+ gen airplanes in the LCA.Infact india is working on hypersonic space travel.

India's space programme is one of the most advanced in the world. It's got satellite launching capability of 4 tonnes weight in the GSLV

The Arjun tank has been developed by india but is just a little overweight, and induction will be delayed.

India has a surplus of food grain and the same is being exported to other needy african nations.indian's are not hungry.

India has given loans to over 20 nations of the world.

Bottomline : India is not a poor country and needs no advise on defence spending.Pakistan, a nation in 500 billion dollars debt spends between 8 to 10% of its GDP on defence.



posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 12:19 PM
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There is only gonna be 124 or one hundred something Arjuns. Your army hated it, its optics stopped working in 40+ degree of heat. Its German engine costs the same as a T-90S. It took some 20 something years to develope and yet its still not that good.

LCA has been delayed for some time now. With the Migs and Sukhois you guys could buy, LCA is only a waste of money. Its engine tests failed in Russia some months ago. And I heard corruption rendered some fundings useless (I forgot where I read that before).

Ireland trades more than the whole India together although India is growing quite a lot.

India spends much more than 2% of its GDP on defence. Just some months ago your government gave the yes to increase your military budget by another huge chunk (although I do not know how much you guys increased your budget by).

4 tons GSO isn't all that much considering America, Europe and Russia could send more than 12 tons of material into GSO.

India needs to have surplus grains and food considering its huge population and its agriculture haven't been industrialized yet to improve efficiency.

No one knows about hypersonic space travel, actually quite a lot of countries are working on that but how far is India in? No one knows and the only one proven is American hypersonic spacecraft.

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posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by COWlan

No one knows about hypersonic space travel, actually quite a lot of countries are working on that but how far is India in? No one knows and the only one proven is American hypersonic spacecraft.



read this thread : www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by COWlan
LCA has been delayed for some time now. With the Migs and Sukhois you guys could buy, LCA is only a waste of money. Its engine tests failed in Russia some months ago.


just because the engine failed a test in russia does not mean that the aircraft itself a failure. if u've kept up to date with the info, the problem with the engine has been sorted and it has passed every test in india and russia.its clocking Mach 1.8.

the Kaveri engine will power the LCA after 2008. till then the GE-404 will do.
www.geae.com...

besides this thread is on the T-90 purchase, not the LCA's engine



posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 01:49 PM
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The Chinese have not even bothered to develop an engine for the J-10, they just ripped it off the Su-27.

Besides check out what tanks China have got.




China's tank inventory has numbered around 10,000 for three decades. Of these, the first generation Type 59 (Chinese copy of the Soviet T-54/55) is the most common, with over 8,000 built for the PLA. Its improved models, the Type 69 and Type 79, made their first public appearances in 1982 and 1984, respectively. Currently these tanks, some of which have been upgraded with new technologies, are equipped by the infantry troops of the ground forces. They will probably remain in service for another decade.

The second-generation MBTs include the Type 88A/B and Type 96, which represented China's first major break from the original T-54/-55 design. The Type 80 features a computerized fire-control system, a laser rangefinder, a gun stabilizer, better suspension and power plant, and night-fighting equipment. The Type 85 is based on the Type 80 with cast turret, 125 mm smoothbore gun, and automatic loading system. Around few hundred Type 80s and Type 85s are in service with the PLA's elite armour divisions.

The third-generation MBTs include the Type 90 series, which was first revealed in 1991. The Type 90 resembles the Russian T-72, but is fitted with Western power plant and fire-control system. The Type 98 is the final development version of this series. It features advanced day/night observation and fire-control system, as well as an active laser defence device.

China may not eventually produce the very expensive Type 98 MBT in a very large number.
source : www.sinodefence.com...



i mean china's best tanks are not even better than the T-72, which is over 3 decades old.

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posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 02:22 PM
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Not better than T-72? WOW, what a statement. Here learn a little.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

WS-10A is a Chinese improved AL-31F with better handling and thrust vectoring nozzles. Its not ripped off, its improved on it. Its meant for J-11B and J-10A,Bs.

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posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 02:25 PM
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While the Arjun's media trial continues, the project itself resulted in a number of successful spin-offs. For instance, the bulk of India's tank fleet comprises aging T-72 tanks, some 1,700 of which are in India's inventory. One successful upgrade effort includes the mating of the Arjun's turret with the T-72's chassis, christened the 'Karna.'





After the failure of its ambitious main battle tank “Arjun”, the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has embarked upon the new generation “Karna” tank which can withstand a nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) attack.

The DRDO has already prepared the prototype of “Karna” and is presently conducting field tests, well-placed sources said today. It would be some time before “Karna” is made available for Army trials.

“Karna”, sources claimed, would be at par with internationally leading tanks like Abrams of the USA, Leopard (Germany), Challenger (UK) and Leclerc (France).

If the “Karna” project is completed at an early date, it would be good news for the Army which badly requires new generation, indigenously-made tanks. “Arjun” was a resounding failure and was rejected a decade ago by the then Army chief Gen V.N. Sharma on grounds of technical deficiencies.

Though the Army had recently placed an order for 120 “Arjun” tanks, it was unlikely to place a new order for “Arjun”, sources said.
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Another Arjun spin-off is the 'Bhim' self-propelled gun, which mates an Arjun chassis with the lethal Denel T-6 turret from South Africa, making it a system that is unmatched in the region in terms of firepower, mobility and survivability. A Rs 2,000 crore deal for 100 such guns is reported to be signed soon.

The Bhim implements a self-propelled 155mm/52-cal artillery gun on the Arjun tank hull. It has a high power-to-weight ratio (24.8 HP/tonne), hydro pneumatic suspension and a large onboard ammunition supply of 50 rounds. The vehicle has a combat weight of 56.4 tons, a sustained rate of fire of 3 rounds/min ( 8 rounds/min under intense fire mode or a burst of 3 rounds in 20 sec.) and a max range of 52.5 km (VLAP). Five crew members are carried.





DRDO's latest experimental tank designated 'Tank-Ex' is an Arjun/T-72 hybrid integrating the weapon system and armor of the former with the automotive system of the latter. Most of the Arjun's features including the 'Kanchan' armor and 120 mm rifled gun, not to mention GPS, NBC protection, Thermal Imager integrated into the gunner's main sight and a standby articulated sight, have been included. The tank has a combat weight of 47 tonnes, a power to weight ratio of 21 HP/tonne, ground pressure of 0.94 kgf/cm² and achieves a maximum speed of 60 km/h on road.


The Tank-Ex will offer a huge leap in ergonomics and compartment space when compared to the conventional T-72, thanks to the implementation of the Arjun's crew station design. A crew of four, including the driver, is now carried. 32 rounds of FSAPDS and HESH ammunition are carried, with 18 ready rounds in the rotating turret. Tank-Ex is yet to enter user trials.





source www.acig.org...
Credits to mirza2003



posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by COWlan
Not better than T-72? WOW, what a statement. Here learn a little.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



read what that sino defence article has to say...its nothing but a T-72 with some Western firecontrol systems.



posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by COWlan


WS-10A is a Chinese improved AL-31F with better handling and thrust vectoring nozzles. Its not ripped off, its improved on it. Its meant for J-11B and J-10A,Bs.



any pics ??



posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Stealth Spy


read what that sino defence article has to say...its nothing but a T-72 with some Western firecontrol systems.


T-72 top... type-98 bottom





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posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 05:06 AM
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I saw that comparision somewhere else??
Ahh in the T-98 thread..
stop taking potshots at the LCA cowlan .. we're over this I thought..
Arjun.. yeah too bad..



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by Lucretius

Originally posted by Stealth Spy


read what that sino defence article has to say...its nothing but a T-72 with some Western firecontrol systems.


T-72 top... type-98 bottom





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just remove the gap between the wheels of chines version you could find our t-72 .poor chap

read this
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 07:08 AM
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it's a completely different tank.

The t-72 was used as a starting point when designing the tank for ergonomic reasons, but there is NOTHING else in common.

No shared parts... no licensed technologies... nothing



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 07:20 AM
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Lol, remove the gap?

Anyway, i will let that comment slide.

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Back on topic, yeah, nice tanks. Nothing much really to say, the Russians build some nice tanks.



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 09:25 AM
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FOR ABOVE POST ^^^^^

TAKE IT ON YOUR HEAD MISTER CHINA BETTER SUIT IT THERE


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posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by mirza2003
FOR ABOVE POST ^^^^^

TAKE IT ON YOUR HEAD MISTER CHINA BETTER SUIT IT THERE


[edit on 11-4-2005 by mirza2003]


?

Is that English? flame for above post?

When did i flame you?



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 01:05 PM
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Type 98's original competitor when the designing first started was the T-72 but after Gulf War 1, China realized the disadvantage of its armoured forces against M1A1s and changed Type-98's competitor to M1A1 and according to Sinodefence, some of Type-98s abilities are aproaching that of M1A2.





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