Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

Originally posted by Ectoterrestrial
Where is the forest in the field?

It’s a place in your mind, or a program in a computer, a metaphor for merging two dissimilar items/ideas into one

Mind merging with machine----matrix

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Very interesting response. This leads me to a further question: If flesh is just "machine", then what is the soul?

Soul is pure energy---for lack of a better word, but not the kind of energy we are familiar with on earth

In what way does machine differ from soul?

Like night and day----like forest in the field----Ectoterrestrial quote

The soul and machine have nothing in common other than they occupy the same space for a short time

Also, does the soul itself have a dimension or a shape?

Sphere

I ask this because I have read accounts of out-of-body experiencers wherein souls are described as a glowing 'core of light', which is seen to be inserted into the human abdomen or chest cavity, or collected from that region, when the 'machine' dies. Is that the orientation and nexus of the soul?

It can enter and depart through the head also----or the feet for that matter

Does ET have to be on hand to collect the soul, at death?

To collect or accompany---someone is always there---although they don’t necessary make themselves known.

And it is this soul which ET is the caretaker of,

Yes

and it is ET which designates the next birth for that soul?

No, there are others who make that call

Perhaps, for example, I might be reborn as a wookie? Maybe even Chewbacca himself, if my karmic meter is high enough?

Bingo!

What people? Do you mean the Weaver rebellion? Those people were affected directly. I think its different because they resisted the "age of machines", whereas what I'm talking about is the "age of machines in your flesh".

The industrial revolution of the nineteen hundreds was a period of drastic change----from pastoral to mechanized in a very short space of time----not everyone feared it, many embraced it----but everyone had to adjust to it

They're talking now about injecting rat neurons (mixed with human stem cells) into human patients' brains, super-charging them. Is ET behind these human/animal experiments also?

ET leads the charge in every new and exotic human endeavor

Originally posted by sleeper
ET leads the charge in every new and exotic human endeavor

that's pretty sad

Hi Sleeper,

As the population grows chaos and overcrowding will actually decrease and resources will increase substantially----believe it or not

First off, I'm not going to disagree with you on this point (I'm afraid of alien retribution). Any idea how this could possible happen, and is it worldwide or just in the US. The only things I can think of is massive relocation and less resource intake. Maybe I've only listened to the fear mongers, but from what I thought the world is being polluted with people and their garbage at the moment. That's why im skeptical of a one world government because I'd think their goal would be to eliminate the "useless eaters."

People will work, live and be entertained within the same super structures which will reduce the need for cars and congestion...

Is there going to be a new way of transportation? I don't think you've seen the show Futurama but they use these suction tubes to travel across cities and what not. Hopefully you're not suggesting people walk or ride bikes more, as I am a dedicated smoker and refuse to walk miles to work (I guess I won't be evolving into the new world too easily).

I have an opinion on and MKULTRA but I will pass on talking about it

I'm sorry I brought this up if you didn't want to talk about it, and even sorrier for bringing it up again. Was this top secret stuff that happened either in the military or with conjunction with ET? It's just a particular fascination of mine that I can't let go. Please just ignore this if its all just annoying to you.

What would the world---not to mention abovetopsecret----be without mystery?

I postulate the world would be more productive and less paranoid without mystery. Sure, its good to get the mind thinking, but some people (me) spend too much time trying to get to the bottom of things and get frustrated by their lack of progress. As for abovetopsecret, do you think the owners would mind if everything was cleared up and their site wasn't as popular, or is mystery the catalyst for the mind? Sorry if none of this makes sense.

On a last note, any ideas on dinosaurs and what their role was on this planet. Is there a T-Rex flying around in a huge ship right now observing the world?

Thanks again!

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by segalindoa

Sleeper: among all the photograpic and video "evidences" you have seen (in TV shows, books or sites like this) which ones would you pick as "real" based on your on experiences?

I mean, can you please (if possible) point to some pictures or videos on this site that you consider "real" evidence?

Believe it or not I’m a working stiff like most people and I don’t have the luxury, need, or want to peruse all the stuff that is out there

If you ask about a specific item I will give my best answer

Thanks for your comments

Here I go:

well, I've always been impressed by this (i've read you can't see them properly, but i have to ask):


I've seen this in color before but couldn't find it


And how about the mexican UFO video of 2004:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
First off, I'm not going to disagree with you on this point (I'm afraid of alien retribution). Any idea how this could possible happen, and is it worldwide or just in the US.

Super structures will be worldwide but that does not mean everyone will participate

There are many tribes and other peoples that will continue living their traditional lives as they have for centuries

The only things I can think of is massive relocation and less resource intake.

Many small towns will become ghost towns as people realized the economic benefits of moving into mega structures.

Resources are technology driven, as technology increases so will resources

Maybe I've only listened to the fear mongers, but from what I thought the world is being polluted with people and their garbage at the moment. That's why im skeptical of a one world government because I'd think their goal would be to eliminate the "useless eaters."

Fear mongers prevail because for some strange reason we humans are attracted to gloom and doom like moths to a fire

A one world government is not going to happen in your or my lifetime and may not happen for another hundred years---but it will happen

Even in a one world government there will be outcasts and millions of people that will live in the hills, in the ghost towns and other abandoned cities----choosing to live in squalor rather than live in the mega cities

As is true today there are many able bodied people that chose to live on the fringes of society----and I mean chose, because they don’t want the structure and responsibility that society imposes---not talking about those down on their luck or mentally and physically handicapped----those people will be taken care of

Is there going to be a new way of transportation? I don't think you've seen the show Futurama but they use these suction tubes to travel across cities and what not.
Certainly transportation will change but no one is going to miss sitting in traffic for a two hour commute

First of all this will not take place everywhere all at once. Mega structures will pop up here and there in the span of many decades---so cars and commuting will slowly change from what they are today

Hopefully you're not suggesting people walk or ride bikes more, as I am a dedicated smoker and refuse to walk miles to work (I guess I won't be evolving into the new world too easily).

Mine and your way of life will not change much unless you live for another forty or fifty years

Was this top secret stuff that happened either in the military or with conjunction with ET? It's just a particular fascination of mine that I can't let go.

Both

I postulate the world would be more productive and less paranoid without mystery. Sure, its good to get the mind thinking, but some people (me) spend too much time trying to get to the bottom of things and get frustrated by their lack of progress.

Mystery and drama are part of this planet’s protocol and always will be

Many people immerse themselves and some become obsessed----but that is a choice

No one needs to be obsessed or paranoid about anything because life is nothing but an illusion----we can enjoy the ride or fret over every bump in the road

As for abovetopsecret, do you think the owners would mind if everything was cleared up and their site wasn't as popular,

Absolutely they would mind---no business no payroll

or is mystery the catalyst for the mind?

The human mind thrives on mystery----just look what books sell the most

On a last note, any ideas on dinosaurs and what their role was on this planet.

They had more than one roll, but their main roll on earth was that of zoo

Is there a T-Rex flying around in a huge ship right now observing the world?

No, but there are many planets with dinosaurs and other more exotic creatures all over the galaxy----why do we have zoos in every major city?----Entertainment

Originally posted by sleeper
Resources are technology driven, as technology increases so will resources

Interesting but very powerful statement here, Sleeper. The idea of resources being finite (malthusian) is wrong because it is innovation and technology which allows us to get more efficiency out of the resource. As tech grows, a barrel of oil will be able to feed more and more people, or power more machinery, due to human ingenuity. Would you agree with this assessment, sleeper?

Props for sleeper on this gem.

[edit on 6-4-2006 by smallpeeps]

Hi Sleeper,

Many small towns will become ghost towns as people realized the economic benefits of moving into mega structures.

Resources are technology driven, as technology increases so will resources

So in the future people are all going to squash together in mega structures? Seems like being trapped in a sardine can. Seems I'll be one of those living on the fringe of society (or in one of the crazy houses ). Sociologically speaking, isn't the packing of massive numbers of people chaotic, especially if there are competing ethnic groups, or by that time will humanity lose more of its racist tendencies?

I was under the impression that our resources (oil mainly) were non-renewable, although I have heard the contrary. Is oil on its way out as our main energy source. I know you've spoken well of nuclear energy but I don't see people using nuclear power to run their cars (unless we get time machines circa Doc Brown in the documentary Back to the Future)

Any chance we can get hemp legalized and use that for a power source (as well as many other things) Not that I'm saying marijuana would have to be legalized, but I wouldn't complain too loudly if it was.

Fear mongers prevail because for some strange reason we humans are attracted to gloom and doom like moths to a fire

Any insight on to why this is the case? Were humans programmed this way so that we can overcome it or something. My hypothesis is that doom and gloom is somewhat exciting and can make people feel like they have something to strive against.

Many people immerse themselves and some become obsessed----but that is a choice

So it's a choice to try to get to the bottom of life's mysteries and drama? Is this wrong? I would think the opposite would be being completely self-involved, and is that any better?

quote: As for abovetopsecret, do you think the owners would mind if everything was cleared up and their site wasn't as popular,

Absolutely they would mind---no business no payroll

Granted I don't want the nice people who own this site to run into financial problems. However, if this site becomes obsolete I have faith they could focus their intellectual powers on something else. Please note I don't think this site will ever be shut down, unless Sleeper (or someone else) decided to demystify the world for us.

(Dinosaurs) main roll on earth was that of zoo (sorry for butchering the quote - Kwyjibo)

Is the human role on earth similar, in that we are nothing more than a zoo to be enjoyed by ET? From your previous posts, I take it that this isn't the case, as ET seems to be benelovent (although not to me yet )

---why do we have zoos in every major city?----Entertainment

I agree zoos are for entertainment, but would you agree there is a large educational benefit to them as well?

Thanks again!

[edit on 6-4-2006 by Kwyjibo]

Segalindoa


My sources say that the first one is a fake---the second one they are ambiguous so I’m not making a call on it

The Mexico video UFO is real and not a fire balloon----I know first hand on that one

Originally posted by smallpeeps
Interesting but very powerful statement here, Sleeper. The idea of resources being finite (malthusian) is wrong because it is innovation and technology which allows us to get more efficiency out of the resource. As tech grows, a barrel of oil will be able to feed more and more people, or power more machinery, due to human ingenuity. Would you agree with this assessment, sleeper?

I agree smallpeeps

And there will be new forms of energy coming on line such as superconductivity that will curtail the need for oil and other expensive fuels


Thanks!

Hey sleeper,


What about that decryption?

I also have the most obvious answer to your question and it does not involve hands.

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Ectoterrestrial
Where is the forest in the field?

It’s a place in your mind, or a program in a computer, a metaphor for merging two dissimilar items/ideas into one

Mind merging with machine----matrix

An interesting answer. Its something that I used to type autonomically when I would start daydreaming while working. When I would snap back out of the day dream

"in the forest of the field" would often be written on my screen. I've been trying to figure out what I was saying.

Thanks for the tip.

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
So in the future people are all going to squash together in mega structures? Seems like being trapped in a sardine can.

I’m not talking public housing----free enterprise will be the dominant driving force for the remainder of this century and into the next one.

And I’m not talking about million dollar apartments although there will be many of those

The low to middle class will have spacious housing enclosed in multi levels with plenty of open spaces, parks, shopping districts and working establishments----and plenty of elevators vertical and horizontal elevators and people movers for those that don’t care to walk

These types of structures are way pleasant to live in

Sociologically speaking, isn't the packing of massive numbers of people chaotic, especially if there are competing ethnic groups, or by that time will humanity lose more of its racist tendencies?

You mean like exist today in most major cities?-----the reason there is so much diversity and not much melting pot is because people are segregated by neighborhoods

I was under the impression that our resources (oil mainly) were non-renewable, although I have heard the contrary. Is oil on its way out as our main energy source. I know you've spoken well of nuclear energy but I don't see people using nuclear power to run their cars (unless we get time machines circa Doc Brown)

Cars will be electric, the reason we don’t have powerful electric cars today is because gas has been kept cheap for political reasons----only when oil becomes scarce will we have dependable electric vehicles

Any insight on to why this is the case? Were humans programmed this way so that we can overcome it or something. My hypothesis is that doom and gloom is somewhat exciting and can make people feel like they have something to strive against.

Most of us on earth are here because we have this flaw----and some of us have to play it out to the nth degree before we realize it.

So it's a choice to try to get to the bottom of life's mysteries and drama? Is this wrong? I would think the opposite would be being completely self-involved, and is that any better?

There are a zillion things people have to work out and stumble on before they move on to something else----many will have to approach their problems from more than one angle before they figure it out----in other words they will be coming back to this world or going to one less advanced once they leave here

I agree zoos are for entertainment, but would you agree there is a large educational benefit to them as well?

Don’t tell that to the children or they may not want to go to the zoo----

I don't know Sleeper, I seem to like doom and gloom because its a chance to start over without money or organized corruption. I have a really hard time trying to imagine that corruption will just vanish one day unless something huge happens. It be like getting rid of your car without it breaking in the first place.

What about fear and riots, will they some how just vanish as well? Will this "human nature" to like doom and gloom just go poof? I was interested about your story at first but now, I don't know.

So I ask, what will change?

Sleeper,

The low to middle class will have spacious housing enclosed in multi levels with plenty of open spaces, parks, shopping districts and working establishments----and plenty of elevators vertical and horizontal elevators and people movers for those that don’t care to walk

These types of structures are way pleasant to live in

So will still have social divides in the future. No socialist utopia? Ah well, I never like that stuff anyway. And about the elevators, haven't you noticed theres a slight weight problem in America? A better future would probably include more excerice, or is there better heart surgery coming our way? I was joking in my previous post about walking, being a dedicated smoker (I am though) and not wanting to walk anywhere. I don't mind a nice stroll, but these banning of cigarettes in public places is killing me. In bars even, was ET behind that??

Also will the structures we live in be "pleasant" in an idyllic way or in a tolerable way? I'm just curious, I'm perfectly fine with tolerable living.

You mean like exist today in most major cities?-----the reason there is so much diversity and not much melting pot is because people are segregated by neighborhoods

Yes I realize the conditions of major cities (I live near Boston). Thats why I was wondering if adding more people would be all that beneficial. Also, is ET going to help desegregate and turn this country once more into a great melting pot? You know we have a slight immigration problem right now that doesn't seem resolvable in the immediate future.

Cars will be electric, the reason we don’t have powerful electric cars today is because gas has been kept cheap for political reasons----only when oil becomes scarce will we have dependable electric vehicles

Can ET talk to these politicians and point them in the right direction? Are they waiting for people to get fed up with it all and actually do something about it? What could they possibly do anyway; not drive to work (I'm way ahead of them on the not working thing)?

[quote from kwyjibo]
...My hypothesis is that doom and gloom is somewhat exciting and can make people feel like they have something to strive against.

Most of us on earth are here because we have this flaw----and some of us have to play it out to the nth degree before we realize it.

What do you mean, being somewhat excited by doom and gloom and scary stuff is a life-altering flaw. Isn't it part of human nature or is it one of the things we have to let go of?

Once again, sorry for the long post
Thank you!

Originally posted by sleeper
The governments are not calling the shots----never have---never will.

For all we know the government are aliens. Ever wondered why Al Gore & Kerry are so stiff moving?

Gods peace

dalen

when a thread gets to be 87 some odd pages it would be nice for the author to go through and write a short story encapsulating the points, and post it for us so that we dont have to read all the post.


Gods Peace

dalen

aliens...your higher self from the future.
supposedly demons travel backwards through time as we go forwards. (Heard this in one of my Jewish Kabbalah classes)

Originally posted by XL5
I don't know Sleeper, I seem to like doom and gloom because its a chance to start over without money or organized corruption. I have a really hard time trying to imagine that corruption will just vanish one day unless something huge happens. It be like getting rid of your car without it breaking in the first place.

As long as there are humans there will be corruption

What about fear and riots, will they some how just vanish as well?

No, unless we all turn into robots and think alike, individuality will remain therefore, so will disagreements

Will this "human nature" to like doom and gloom just go poof?

It’s an individual thing it will go poof when you decide it has no value

So I ask, what will change?

Earth will never be a utopia----earth is a place for learning, what will change?-----You will change or you will have to come back and try again.

Originally posted by sleeper
Segalindoa


My sources say that the first one is a fake---the second one they are ambiguous so I’m not making a call on it

The Mexico video UFO is real and not a fire balloon----I know first hand on that one

thanks for your time

Originally posted by Kwyjibo
So will still have social divides in the future. No socialist utopia? Ah well, I never like that stuff anyway. And about the elevators, haven't you noticed theres a slight weight problem in America? A better future would probably include more excerice, or is there better heart surgery coming our way?

People in general will become more disciplined and take better care of themselves because the cost of healthcare will force that upon us

Also food will change and taste better minus the fat

I was joking in my previous post about walking, being a dedicated smoker (I am though) and not wanting to walk anywhere. I don't mind a nice stroll, but these banning of cigarettes in public places is killing me. In bars even, was ET behind that??

ET introduced tobacco as an economic factor, and they are behind it’s demise in the Western World

Also will the structures we live in be "pleasant" in an idyllic way or in a tolerable way? I'm just curious, I'm perfectly fine with tolerable living.

Tolerable living is for communist, everyone else should expect better

Yes I realize the conditions of major cities (I live near Boston). Thats why I was wondering if adding more people would be all that beneficial. Also, is ET going to help desegregate and turn this country once more into a great melting pot? You know we have a slight immigration problem right now that doesn't seem resolvable in the immediate future.

It’s like electronics, we have/had the vacuum tube---bulky, used lots of power, created heat was/is inefficient

Then came along the transistor---small, used little power, little heat, and very efficient, we can place millions of transistors into the same spot of one vacuum tube

It’s all a matter of the design of things----today our cities are vacuum tubes, tomorrow they will be transistors

America will become a more efficient melting pot without exterminating cultural heritage

Can ET talk to these politicians and point them in the right direction? Are they waiting for people to get fed up with it all and actually do something about it?

Voting people into office because they promise us the world usually gets us the opposite

It’s up to the voters to make better choices on who they put into office

What do you mean, being somewhat excited by doom and gloom and scary stuff is a life-altering flaw. Isn't it part of human nature or is it one of the things we have to let go of?

Each of us knows down deep which problems we need to work out or let go of----that’s the purpose of this life