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Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

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posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by Truthforall



From your earlier posts you have been in the military service in which you have "gain all of this knowledge" to give out about our friendly neighbors. Working construction for over thirty-five years does not give much time for the military career at 53. So when did you start?


For an investigator you are a sad case----I have stated many times on this thread and others that I was in the military for only three years

My ET knowledge came mostly while out of the military----in other words my military service didn’t interfere with my ET contacts


Your hand has nothing to do with ET but they do have everything to do with you and your BS. Very close to finding who you really are. My friend, well lets just say he is working on it. To bad your ET freinds did not tell you about the new technology for hand print photos. Legally you gave up your rights by posting on a public forum with no copy rights on your photos.


There is a lot of BS going on and it’s coming from you

I’m not trying to hide my identity----I’m all for everyone posting with their real names and when everyone does I will too.



Please note that I will not state who you are on this forum. I may U2 you to give confirmation.


I’m looking forward to it




posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by Truthforall

Very close to finding who you really are. My friend, well lets just say he is working on it.

To bad your ET freinds did not tell you about the new technology for hand print photos. Legally you gave up your rights by posting on a public forum with no copy rights on your photos.


Please note that I will not state who you are on this forum. I may U2 you to give confirmation.



[edit on 5-2-2006 by Truthforall]


I think it is you who is full of "you own self importance" if you want my opinion and even if you don't I am gonna give it anyway.

You don't have a friend who has the technology to find the information you claim you can get.

Nobody cares if you find out who Sleeper is, however I do hope you are aware that have a name for people who spend their time following others around and they are reffered to as either fans or stalkers.

Sleeper knows as well as I do that you can not back up your inane averment.

If you do then I will eat my hat and my words.. however I have a hunch I will be going hungry.



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 05:34 PM
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There is a chance that Sleeper is lying but I highly doubt that. The ideas or "theories" that he has posted are very advanced and don't sound like anything that is made up or fiction.

For awhile I have wondered alot about the universe and about our lives. I didn't really have to many people who can answer my questions without believing I was insane. Most people don't want to think outside of the life they live because they're afraid of the truth. But Sleeper, you've helped me understand some of my questions and provided alot of help. Good job!

I do however, have a few more questions.


First, What does gender represent? Is it just something that exists in this life? And if we are all the same gender before and after this life then why do most men like women and most women like men in this life?

Second, are souls constantly being created and if so then where are they coming from? Who's creating them?

Last, are there people brought into this world who already know about what exists and what the real truth is? And if not can they discover everything in a single lifetime on Earth? How can they discover this without the ET's help? Do they have to reach a higher consciousness and 'Pry open their third eye'?



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by Shadowshocker163
There is a chance that Sleeper is lying but I highly doubt that. The ideas or "theories" that he has posted are very advanced and don't sound like anything that is made up or fiction.

For awhile I have wondered alot about the universe and about our lives. I didn't really have to many people who can answer my questions without believing I was insane. Most people don't want to think outside of the life they live because they're afraid of the truth. But Sleeper, you've helped me understand some of my questions and provided alot of help. Good job!


Thanks



I do however, have a few more questions.

First, What does gender represent? Is it just something that exists in this life? And if we are all the same gender before and after this life then why do most men like women and most women like men in this life?


Humans are wired to reproduce and have fun with sex----breaks the monotony of this life


Second, are souls constantly being created and if so then where are they coming from? Who's creating them?


Stars and planets are being created by the billions as we speak----a process that has no beginning or ending----new stars and planets replace dieing ones-----unlike stars most souls live forever----some die for a number of reasons including extinguishing themselves----freewill having got the best of them and they refuse to go on.

Who creates souls? A god? A committee of super beings? A soul machine? A mad scientist?-----souls are created in a similar way as we procreate here on earth----through immense love----on earth it takes the love of two people to reproduce a human machine---body----and then a soul is inserted.

Creating a soul is accomplished by a number of souls who have reached a high level of unconditional love----and this soul becomes a part of their community----or family


Last, are there people brought into this world who already know about what exists and what the real truth is? And if not can they discover everything in a single lifetime on Earth? How can they discover this without the ET's help? Do they have to reach a higher consciousness and 'Pry open their third eye'?


Yes, there are many

No one can discover everything in a single life time----do first graders figure it all out their first year in school? And even after college or high school learning is a constant requirement to move forward in this life and all the rest.

Without ET’s help nothing happens----ET is the extended family

It’s a big universe and a very big consciousness----the higher you go the more you can grasp



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 04:43 AM
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Sorry if this question has already been answered. i didn't exactly read all 30 something pages.
How do you explain the mutilations that are supposedly happeneing to both cattle and humans?
Also, how do you explain crop circles?



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by Monkeyz
Sorry if this question has already been answered. i didn't exactly read all 30 something pages.
How do you explain the mutilations that are supposedly happeneing to both cattle and humans?


Animal mutilations are common very few are cattle and none are humans with souls. Mutilations are done mostly by humans in covert operations to extract certain enzymes from animal tissue-----stuff they need in the field----animals provide fresh material----wild animals are everywhere and are an easy source for many biological elements




Also, how do you explain crop circles?


There are two old men with a plank and rope that go out every night after being kicked out of their local pub and vandalize innocent wheat fields-----at least that is what many in the media are buying and peddling to the world


Crop circles are made by ET and some are made by humans in ships and equipment provided by ET-----some are coded messages like billboards for other ETs and humans who work for ET, some are nothing more than graffiti made by bored humans playing with cool alien stuff.

A very few are made by college students or old men.



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by sleeper
some are nothing more than graffiti made by bored humans playing with cool alien stuff.


So there are people who are allowed (or atleast can get away with) to mess around with this technology? I'm a tad jealous.

What do you have to do to be trusted with this much power?

And what sort of messages would aliens leave for each other in these crop circles? Surely, even for aliens this is a bit of an extravagant way of communicating (and i suppose rather primitive)?

Dont they know of a "kinder" way of communicating without destroying peoples livelihood? What kind of "benevolent" being would do this?


...One last thing that bugs me whenever I look at this thread...

If existence has existed for eternity, hasn't everything already happened? This question is so mind boggling for me that I'm not even sure what kind of answer I'm looking for.

I've always believed that nothing has a probability of 0. So if thats true then wouldn't that mean at one point of time (actually an infinite number of points in this infinite timeline) the entire universe was ruled by a race of evil oven gloves? (Yes, I know its a rather odd question but I just tried to think of the most absurd randomn thing that came to mind for the sake of argument)

[edit on 9-2-2006 by hobo_321]

[edit on 9-2-2006 by hobo_321]



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by hobo_321
the entire universe was ruled by a race of evil oven gloves?


My opinion is your getting the right idea but oven gloves don't have souls therefor cannot really control us.

But Sleeper in advanced technology can we make our own machines that are so realistic that instead of "your soul entering a baby" your soul can enter a complex realistic machine? So instead of giving birth to a baby then a soul enters, we make a machine and program it then a soul enters.



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by Shadowshocker163

Originally posted by hobo_321
the entire universe was ruled by a race of evil oven gloves?


My opinion is your getting the right idea but oven gloves don't have souls therefor cannot really control us.


You fail to see my point. Given an infinite amount of time ANYTHING is possible and EVERYTHING happens. So it doesn't matter how rediculous it is.



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by hobo_321

You fail to see my point. Given an infinite amount of time ANYTHING is possible and EVERYTHING happens. So it doesn't matter how rediculous it is.


I appreciate your ideas hobo. When trying to understand infinity we must allow for infinite possibilties of existance - it is a logical conclusion.
I'm not sure there can be conditions when dealing with this idea. Its the mother of all can of worms.

Perhaps that is where the 'anything is possible' statement comes from.

Even if ET is playing in space and is billions of years ahead in tech, with FTL - we must find comfort that not even they know or have experienced everything there is - they may not have met the mighty OvenGlove race!
Given that space/time is infinite - no beginning or end... perhaps in 900 Billion Jupiter years the OvenGlovers will make thier presence felt in our galaxy. Nothing will be too hot for them too handle

Perhaps having a soul qualifies an enitity - but again, that is a condition which may not be applicable in every corner in infinity.


[edit on 9-2-2006 by one_small_step]



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by hobo_321

Originally posted by sleeper
some are nothing more than graffiti made by bored humans playing with cool alien stuff.


So there are people who are allowed (or atleast can get away with) to mess around with this technology? I'm a tad jealous.

What do you have to do to be trusted with this much power?


It’s not a job you apply for, nor can you get in through a government agency, ET chooses those who work for them----no negotiations, no contracts-----most don’t know that they work for ET.


And what sort of messages would aliens leave for each other in these crop circles? Surely, even for aliens this is a bit of an extravagant way of communicating (and i suppose rather primitive)?


Not so primitive that no human outside the program has been able to decipher


Dont they know of a "kinder" way of communicating without destroying peoples livelihood? What kind of "benevolent" being would do this?


Not one single grain is damage when ET makes them



...One last thing that bugs me whenever I look at this thread...

If existence has existed for eternity, hasn't everything already happened? This question is so mind boggling for me that I'm not even sure what kind of answer I'm looking for.

I've always believed that nothing has a probability of 0. So if thats true then wouldn't that mean at one point of time (actually an infinite number of points in this infinite timeline) the entire universe was ruled by a race of evil oven gloves? (Yes, I know its a rather odd question but I just tried to think of the most absurd randomn thing that came to mind for the sake of argument)


The nearest star to earth is only four light years away----no human will ever visit that star while alive or in a human body----way to far----can you grasp the size of the universe?----the best human minds can’t-----the universe is thousands of times larger and more complex than any human mind can imagine-----the possibilities are endless-----the ability to comprehend those possibilities while residing in a human brain are finite.

The whole idea of random is nothing but a human toy----something to play with while in this playpen called earth.

The only reason I can give this information is because most people will not believe it-----most people shouldn’t believe it----distracts them from the life they need to focus on here on earth.



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by one_small_step

I appreciate your ideas hobo. When trying to understand infinity we must allow for infinite possibilties of existance - it is a logical conclusion.
I'm not sure there can be conditions when dealing with this idea. Its the mother of all can of worms.

Perhaps that is where the 'anything is possible' statement comes from.


Well said.



Originally posted by one_small_step

Even if ET is playing in space and is billions of years ahead in tech, with FTL - we must find comfort that not even they know or have experienced everything there is - they may not have met the mighty OvenGlove race!
Given that space/time is infinite - no beginning or end... perhaps in 900 Billion Jupiter years the OvenGlovers will make thier presence felt in our galaxy. Nothing will be too hot for them too handle



Originally posted by one_small_step
Perhaps having a soul qualifies an enitity - but again, that is a condition which may not be applicable in every corner in infinity.

Great post
it's always refreshing to see other peoples opinions when it comes to concepts of this nature.

However, what if the rules of existence change over these infinite eons?

But i guess it's impossible to say really what happens when you leave a universe to exist for an infinite amount of time. It's the epitome, the ultimate form of speculation.



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by Shadowshocker163

But Sleeper in advanced technology can we make our own machines that are so realistic that instead of "your soul entering a baby" your soul can enter a complex realistic machine? So instead of giving birth to a baby then a soul enters, we make a machine and program it then a soul enters.


Humans could make the machine through cloning but they never will have the ability to transfer the soul from one body to the next----without ET

Hypothetically if ET allows humans to successful clone a human a soul of ET’s choosing will be placed into the body----ET has always used clones for themselves and for humans that work for them to enter into.

Will humans ever create a mechanical replacement for themselves for the purpose of extending their lives----no, it’s not allowed

Humans are placed into baby bodies so that they have a new slate to work from without the distractions of other lives or experiences

Once you leave this life you don’t need a mechanical or physical contraption to exist



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 04:19 PM
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The nearest star to earth is only four light years away----no human will ever visit that star while alive or in a human body----way to far


If anything is possible than a human WILL reach that star, the next closest galaxy, and eventually every star in the universe!


Even if that's not true, I find it hard to believe that we won't ever reach the next closest star while living here on Earth. You're saying that humans will NEVER become as advanced to reach our neighboring stars?

[edit on 9-2-2006 by Shadowshocker163]



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by sleeper

Who creates souls? A god? A committee of super beings? A soul machine? A mad scientist?-----souls are created in a similar way as we procreate here on earth----through immense love----on earth it takes the love of two people to reproduce a human machine---body----and then a soul is inserted.

Creating a soul is accomplished by a number of souls who have reached a high level of unconditional love----and this soul becomes a part of their community----or family



Read the first few posts then jumped to the end. Read this post from you and thought.. hmmm.... Sleeper is asking a question religions and philophosers (sp) been asking ever since man was able to communicate then proceeds to answer it for us.

Then I ask myself.. has Sleeper been enlightened be it self educated or taught by another? The mind is a powerful tool. What we see now was not brought on by things falling from the sky but through human ingenuity, imagination, creativity and hard work. I'm sure there is more but only wanted to give a brief example of how man has advanced through the ages.



Originally posted by sleeper

The nearest star to earth is only four light years away----no human will ever visit that star while alive or in a human body----way to far----can you grasp the size of the universe?----the best human minds can’t-----the universe is thousands of times larger and more complex than any human mind can imagine-----the possibilities are endless-----the ability to comprehend those possibilities while residing in a human brain are finite.

The whole idea of random is nothing but a human toy----something to play with while in this playpen called earth.

The only reason I can give this information is because most people will not believe it-----most people shouldn’t believe it----distracts them from the life they need to focus on here on earth.



Now combining Sleepers first quote and then this one I pondered what Sleeper was saying. He was not giving anything new. Now will he. He states things of what I myself have been privy too.. be it reading it or hearing it from other sources. I'd like to also inform others following this thread that we as humans only utilize 5% of our brains.

Now with this fresh in your minds.. Think about all the wonders we see.. those we deem as special people who have talents beyond the normal person but lack the simple dynamics of acknowledging whats around them.

"can you grasp the size of the universe?-"

Yes I can. ^^ with my limited knowledge I can.


"distracts them from the life they need to focus on here on earth."

How many religions are there.. how many ideals of realitiy do others speak of just on ATS? You think we are all small or gulable? I think you're enjoying insulting others and making it sound as though you have all the answers. Even if you admit you don't this is not to say others do.

I admit my knowledge is limited when it comes to the unknown... but so is everyone elses or it would not be refered to as the unknown regardless of race, cread, gender or species.

"Creating a soul is accomplished by a number of souls who have reached a high level of unconditional love"

So your view is of those who are borned. But what of those who are borned and do not know their parents? What of those who are born from single parents?

You may think you walk the walk and talk the talk. But in my reality you're whatever you want others to believe you are.

Have a nice day.

And to those seeking answers.. Go read some books, walk outside, travel and do your own soul searching to find out what and who you are. Where you want to be and how you fit in with the rest of us.



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by sleeper
Will humans ever create a mechanical replacement for themselves for the purpose of extending their lives----no, it’s not allowed


We have machines that jumpstart your heart to keep you alive. And we also have some medical advancements that can put your heart on machines to keep you alive LONGER. How is this not a "mechanical replacement" with the "purpose of extending their lives"? I'm not trying to prove you wrong I'm just saying if we are way so far behind in technology compared to others and already have things to keep us alive longer, then out of this whole infinite universe some other planet must have already reached even further improvements of this....perhaps even keeping them alive for ever (unless the machine no longer works)

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posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Shadowshocker163


The nearest star to earth is only four light years away----no human will ever visit that star while alive or in a human body----way to far


If anything is possible than a human WILL reach that star, the next closest galaxy, and eventually every star in the universe!


Everything is possible----but not while a human



Even if that's not true, I find it hard to believe that we won't ever reach the next closest star while living here on Earth. You're saying that humans will NEVER become as advanced to reach our neighboring stars?


The soul is advance beyond what we are allowed to do here on earth

The soul has been to neighboring stars and other galaxies----unless you are brand new

Humans on this planet will not travel outside this solar system while they are alive or in human bodies.

This is not Hollywood, Star Trek type of travel is not in the cards for earth.

But you don’t have to believe me



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by Shadowshocker163

Originally posted by sleeper
Will humans ever create a mechanical replacement for themselves for the purpose of extending their lives----no, it’s not allowed


We have machines that jumpstart your heart to keep you alive. And we also have some medical advancements that can put your heart on machines to keep you alive LONGER. How is this not a "mechanical replacement" with the "purpose of extending their lives"? I'm not trying to prove you wrong I'm just saying if we are way so far behind in technology compared to others and already have things to keep us alive longer, then out of this whole infinite universe some other planet must have already reached even further improvements of this....perhaps even keeping them alive for ever (unless the machine no longer works)


You asked if humans will build machines that they can transfer their souls to----that’s way different from a heart pump

Billions of planets have technology far more advanced than earth

And life goes on without machines or human type bodies---for most life is forever and although you may not travel between the stars while on earth and in human form you will travel to other stars in other lives----most likely you have unless you are fairly new to the universe



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Wilbert


"Creating a soul is accomplished by a number of souls who have reached a high level of unconditional love"

So your view is of those who are borned. But what of those who are borned and do not know their parents? What of those who are born from single parents?



Lust is a form of love and it takes two people to create a baby even if it’s by accident or invitro.

Humans don’t create souls----and creating a baby is a no-brainer----some don’t even know how it happens.

Not important, the body knows how to procreate without much human input



posted on Feb, 9 2006 @ 05:28 PM
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Sleeper, We can create something that carries a soul, which is known as a human being. These human beings are made by having sex. I guess my question is, will humans ever create something else that a soul is put into. I'm not saying that the humans transfer the soul out of the human and into a machine, but whatever it is that puts our souls into a human body, can it put it into a machine that a human has made.

For example, Sperm and Egg combine making a baby, soul then enters baby.
Is there another way?
For example, Human makes machine, soul enters machine instead of a baby.

I guess I'm asking can a soul ever enter something other than a natural born baby?



Also I was wondering what did you believe in as a child and as you got older how did this chance? Did you believe in what your family believed in because you were scared they might be right? (For example, did you question your religion in your head, but were too scared to ever say anything aloud cause you were scared of going to a hell or something like that?) And if you eventually changed your ideas from theirs or told them what they belived what'd they think?

I don't want to get personal so if you feel offended in any way ignore those questions.


[edit on 9-2-2006 by Shadowshocker163]




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