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reply posted on 27-5-2006 @ 12:12 PM by sleeper
Originally posted by Access Denied
Hmm... once upon a time?


I know the level of skepticism so I try to accommodate with humor---not everyone gets my humor as is evident by the childish attacks



So at what point exactly were you able to distinguish that what was on board was a billiard room and a massage parlor? You said here it was impossible.


My experience that I described while in the military happened thirty-five years ago, I have advanced a tad since then---a few more privileges have been made available to me



Oh really? Didn't you say later in this thread that they routinely allowed them to land at the base and pick you up? How could they possibly not know what they are?


The government has no choice but to cooperate with ET


Umm... I believe the standard analogy for our government's behavior is "800 pound gorilla" :-)


800 hundred pound gorilla speaks of the bureaucracy----certainly America is the only super power and can be clumsy with other countries here on earth but when compared to ET we are ants---the smallest ones

Our government has stated repeatedly that their position is they don't represent a threat to national security.


ET is not a threat to national security but if the average person who is oblivious of ET should ever know that they exist and are infinitely superior that would be a problem

You really haven't done your homework have you? Tell that to the estimated hundreds of thousands of witnesses and contactees worldwide. Are you saying you're the only person on this planet qualified to testify to the validity of their existence?


I’m talking about disclosure, not abductees


Here's one way proof can happen. I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 1,000,000. Can your ET contacts tell us what it is?


I don’t do parlor tricks---that’s for David Blain and Hollywood



reply posted on 27-5-2006 @ 04:24 PM by EarthSister
This thread has become particularly painful to me in a personal way. A number of people on and off ATS have asked my opinions of it and given me theirs so I will say a little here.

Claims like sleeper's are personally offensive against all of the honest alien experiencers who always do their best to tell the truth as it is however much they know or understand themselves from their own experiences. Many who have alien experiences do not even realize how offensive this is- many mistakenly think that just because they have seen something to know that alien life is real, that it means that anybody could be telling the truth about it. Just because somebody sees something real, doesn't mean he knows all about it. In fact, never seeing anything "alien" may leave a person smarter against false claims about it.

Claims like sleeper's are only causing damage to the delicate credibility of the honest alien experiencers at the point of direct exchange, in the heart of the arena. And it is souring the minds and wearing thin the patience of the most serious searchers of the truth who frequent ATS. It frustrates me that this still works so well among us.

Claims like sleeper's include some truths among the untruths as I know from my extensive experience with alien life, but which of his are true and untrue doesn't matter to the purpose of my post. My concern is that when people can't tell the difference, they let the truths lend credibility to the untruths, and the untruths discredit the truths, and their frustration repels them even further from those who are really just telling the truth, and of course from the visiting races.

Those who believe strongly that the alien races are real, but just do not know "what" to believe about them, may be easily led by anybody's attractive claims, or in any direction, one as well as another, or by any piece of evidence. Claims repeated sound more believable and the most attractive ones become most popular. People who figure this out may throw it all away, still believing something but never trusting anybody.

People who knowingly bear false witness about alien life only add to the soup of confusion and disinformation, even when they claim for themselves the things they heard from somebody else who was telling the truth. Even people who have actually witnessed "something" alien themselves have no privilege to then lie about it or add more exciting or more horrible fabrications to more stories, and they should have no immunity to consequences. Unfortunately, those with some experience or some degree in something may be better at creating believable fabrications. This amounts to mass slander against the reputations and intentions of all our neighboring races, and this only limits our own race, not theirs.

Military personnel who may have witnessed something "alien" in government custody, who tell about it, are committing a crime due to their oath of secrecy, and would certainly be stopped from doing so- unless, of course, their lies are well spoken, well informed and popular enough to actually serve the public delusion.

The alien races of people who are visiting Earth are as real and physical as we are. Most of what you ever hear about them on Earth is not the truth. Sometimes disinformation is perpetuated by mistake, but most often it's created on purpose- sometimes personally, but most often professionally.

It is no small problem for the alien races to find humans who are willing to work with them, can handle working with them, and are trustworthy to be honest if they speak about it. It takes a great deal of planning and effort to bring a human to true awareness of themselves to help educate others, and they don't have idle time to waste like some humans do.












[edit on 5/27/2006 by EarthSister]



reply posted on 27-5-2006 @ 04:44 PM by mind is the universe
Originally posted by EarthSister
This thread has become particularly painful to me in a personal way. A number of people on and off ATS have asked my opinions of it and given me theirs so I will say a little here.

Claims like sleeper's are personally offensive against all of the honest alien experiencers who always do their best to tell the truth as it is however much they know or understand themselves from their own experiences. Many who have alien experiences do not even realize how offensive this is- many mistakenly think that just because they have seen something to know that alien life is real, that it means that anybody could be telling the truth about it. Just because somebody sees something real, doesn't mean he knows all about it. In fact, never seeing anything "alien" may leave a person smarter against false claims about it.

Claims like sleeper's are only causing damage to the delicate credibility of the honest alien experiencers at the point of direct exchange, in the heart of the arena. And it is souring the minds and wearing thin the patience of the most serious searchers of the truth who frequent ATS. It frustrates me that this still works so well among us.

Claims like sleeper's include some truths among the untruths as I know from my extensive experience with alien life, but which of his are true and untrue doesn't matter to the purpose of my post. My concern is that when people can't tell the difference, they let the truths lend credibility to the untruths, and the untruths discredit the truths, and their frustration repels them even further from those who are really just telling the truth, and of course from the visiting races.

Those who believe strongly that the alien races are real, but just do not know "what" to believe about them, may be easily led by anybody's attractive claims, or in any direction, one as well as another, or by any piece of evidence. Claims repeated sound more believable and the most attractive ones become most popular. People who figure this out may throw it all away, still believing something but never trusting anybody.

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[edit on 5/27/2006 by EarthSister]


First of all didn't read it all sorry, talk about fecking analysation and trash..

sorry mate, but.. what's real is a fact, this THEORY of Sleeper is not factual, or even remotley? no reference? no logic? no straight answers, he
spends a lot of his time making it up as he goes along, he selects to he wants to responds to and many people have pointed it out. Arrogance is oozing out of him, what more?

Should it be made more obvious, because I can't get any more BLUNT.

No one in this thread is arguing that ET may or not exist. or life in the cosmos, in fact most sceptics here would believe in ET. You spent so much time to convince what?

Most sceptics should challenge sleeper for making cock up stories He's dosn't deaserve special treatment, We don't need another jesus role



[edit on 27-5-2006 by mind is the universe]


reply posted on 27-5-2006 @ 09:13 PM by Hellmutt
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