The Iraqi people have spoken: they want the occupation OUT!

Have i crushed all opposition already?

you dissapoint me.

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
I thought you where running away, that would not have been as much fun.

First off i am not anybody's dog for you to tell me "good boy"...., so unless you want to trade insults, stop the condescending and idiotic insults...thank you very much...

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Obviously you do. BUt your wrong not to support the resistance. They are fighting against imperialism for the whole world.

Oh really? why is that?, i already presented evidence that your so beloved insurgents are nothing more than cowards who use children and are killing more Iraqis now than they are killing coalition forces....

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Don't put words in my mouth thankyou. I never said the US was evil. Your government does evil things. Doesn't mean all americans are evil, and doesn't mean that you are evil. You think i am in the resistance? heh, no no no,

, but thanks for the compliment.

Oh, you are not saying this huh?...what are all these claims you are posting in here about?... and didn't you included me when you were talking about the US government?

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
What childern? i already discredited your propoganda. Bullox for the puppet regime, no names, just claims and false flag ops.

BS, you did not discredit that evidence. I did however showed you that those sites you were taking information from are leftist, they would exagerate and present some erroneous information because they have their own agenda. We have seen this happening in these forums quite frequently.

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
"BTW, please learn how to use quotes."
mmm

seems tricky. got any tips?

If you press the quote button in the post you are trying to quote you will get a quoting message. To begin a quote you put quote between brackets [] to end a quote you put /quote between brackets. It is all explained in the faq section of the website. i thought you were a good researcher.

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Yes, You, don't look so innocent wash your hands and say it was President Clinton, lol.

First you are telling me that you are distinguishing me from the US, and now you are saying that I am also at fault of what you are claiming.... ...oookay....

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Bush 1 started the sanctions, he was the running the US at the time and he was voted by your people, his actions represent america.
Same for clinton, his actions and the actions of the men under him, represent the US, and the US regime is run by the same people the same corportations.

Guess then that the actions of every terrorist and oppressive regime in every country in the middle east represents all the people in the middle east. So you are all responsible...

Can you tell us exactly what is happening, and has been happening in Syria lately?....

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
So the sanctions where to stop him buying military equipment? but where you not the ones who said you knew, that even with the sanctions he was still buynig WMD's (laughable as that is)? Your regime new all along what was happening to the children of iraq, And you liked that.


You cannot wash the blood of your hands, the US is responsible for the blood of the people iraq, and if you want to make ammends, i suggest you allow yourself to get punished by the International War crimes trials.

WTH?... you are obviously out of your mind. And yes I call you part of the insurgency because you have in your mind that the US is evil and that all the US should pay for what you are claiming is happening, you are saying it pretty much in those words...so i am not puting words in your mouth... You are saying that we the American people, like what is happening to the children in iraq... ???

I guess you like what happens to all those Muslim women who are murdered in the public plaza because of their jealous husbands, or any other man who think their wives are looking with lust at another man...

I guess you like that the females when they are 5 years old are grabbed by their fathers or even their mothers and their clitoris is cut off while the men yell they are doing this because the women are subservient to the men, and they are the bosses...

I guess you like all those things that extremist Muslims do, burning their wives and children alive because they are supposed to be subservient to them...and do the will of the men, no-matter what....

I guess you like what your own government has been doing to your own people and what every terrorist who is Muslim, or what you call insurgent, has done to "infidels" all these decades,... You are responsible for all of what they have done... You cannot wash your hands with all the evil crimes that Muslims are committing against humankind...

You are responsible for every jihad that has been waged by radical Muslims.... you are responsible for the deaths of at least over 2,415,000 black Christians murdered in Sudan alone since 1983, by the Arab militia and the Islamic government in Sudan....

You are responsible for all those people who have died under every jihad, because they are Muslims like you...you are even calling those who have beheaded hostages as a resistance fighting for a good cause.... Why are you not allowed yourself being punished for all the evil acts that your Muslim brothers and sisters have been committing al these years, and are still committing?....

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Yeah well, their invovled in alot of things, watch the film yourself, you can't deny that evidence, that history. Where there is smoke, there is ussually fire, right? www.bushflash.com...

So a quote saying we have no opinion about your dispute is a green light to start a war.... Who is grabbing at straws in here?....

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
The Iraqi resistance is a popular resistance.

www.zmag.org...§ionID=15

The iraqi resistance are a bunch of cowards and assassins who hide in mosques and hospitals attacking the coalition...

Insurgents attack bakery, mosque in Iraq
(Agencies)
Updated: 2005-02-11 20:59

A car bomb exploded outside a Shiite mosque northeast of Baghdad on Friday, killing 13 and injuring more than 40, a police official and witnesses said, while masked men sprayed gunfire into a crowd at a bakery in a mostly Shiite neighborhood in the capital, killing 11 people, police said.


The violence came as Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld made a surprise visit and said that Iraqis, not Americans, must defeat the country's insurgency.

A man grieves at the scene of a shooting at a bakery in the New Baghdad area of Baghdad, Friday, Feb. 11, 2005. Masked gunmen opened fire on a crowd at a Baghdad bakery Friday, killing 11 people, police and witnesses said. [AP]


The car bomb in Balad Ruz, 45 miles northeast of Baghdad, took place as services at the mosque ended, a witness said. Iraqi National Guard troops were among the dead and wounded, police Col. Tahseen Mohammed said.


Mohammed said local residents reported that a pickup truck loaded with vegetables and parked in front of the mosque looked suspicious. When the Iraqi troops approached the truck, it exploded, he said.

Excerpted from.
www.chinadaily.com.cn...

Insurgents Attack from Mosque Again

Mosul, Iraq -- For the second consecutive day, Multi-National Forces from 1st Brigade, 25th Infantry Division (Stryker Combat Team), were engaged by anti-Iraqi insurgents from a mosque in northern Iraq.

Multi-National Forces from Task Force Olympia were patrolling in eastern Mosul when their convoy came under attack by anti-Iraqi insurgents. Multi-National Forces and Iraqi Security Forces came under attack from the same mosque on Jan. 14. The Multi-National Forces countered with a proportional, precise and appropriate attack.

Firing from the mosque clearly is a violation of the law of war. Iraqi authorities have stated that those insurgents using a religious center as their headquarters or as a place to attack Iraqi Security Forces or Multi-National Forces will not be safe.

Excerpted from.
www.globalsecurity.org...

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A suicide car bomber killed at least nine people and wounded 24 others Friday near a Shiite Muslim mosque in Baghdad, police sources said.

The bomber in a BMW struck near al-Subaih Mosque in the southeastern Jedida neighborhood as Shiites were leaving the mosque after Friday prayers, the sources said.

Yep, your so called insurgents sure love Iraqis....and have great respect for mosques....

And the insurgents surely want the majority to rule in Iraq also...

Insurgents Attack Civilians, Polling Stations Ahead of Election

Jan 27, 2005
Insurgents in Iraq have killed at least 15 Iraqis and wounded several others Thursday and have attacked several polling stations in their campaign to disrupt Sunday's national elections.

Violence shook the cities of Samarra, Mahmudiyah, Baquba, Kirkuk, Ramadi and Tikrit in the Sunni heartland around Baghdad. Police and hospital officials reported at least 15 civilians, police and security forces killed in bombing and shooting attacks. A U.S. Marine was also killed in action south of Baghdad.

Meanwhile, insurgents blew up schools and other buildings that were slated to be used Sunday as voting centers. Witnesses said militants ordered the schools evacuated before detonating their explosives.

Sunni Muslim militants have vowed to undermine the elections, fearing victory at the polls by the Shi'ite Muslim majority.

Excerpted from.
www.politinfo.com...


Le's keep reading how much do your insurgents love the Iraqi people.

Sunnis attack town mosque, take hostages
Militants demand Shiites leave village.

Published Sunday, April 17, 2005
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraqi security forces surrounded a central Iraqi village yesterday after Sunni militants took as many as 100 Shiite Muslims hostage and threatened to kill the captives if other Shiites did not leave town. The explosive sectarian standoff played out as 17 people - including a U.S. soldier - were killed in insurgent attacks elsewhere in Iraq.

Excerpted from.
www.showmenews.com...

Yep, the insurgents want the coalition to leave for a reason...so they can continue their terrorist attacks on the majority of the population of Iraq and try to take Iraq....

The insurgents care for the Iraqis or the children? let's see how much they care...

Car Bomb Kills Nine At Shiite Mosque
Execution Shown In Video on Internet

By Ellen Knickmeyer and Bassam Sebti
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, April 23, 2005; Page A14

BAGHDAD, April 22 -- Worshipers gathered the remains of children from pools of blood on the tile floor of a Shiite Muslim mosque Friday after a bombing killed at least nine people in the latest fighting under an Iraqi leadership preoccupied with forming a new government.

Political leaders have promised daily that they would reach an accord on a new government within 24 hours. But on Friday, they made no such promise as they continued haggling.

Excerpted from.
www.washingtonpost.com...

Want more links?....

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
uhuh, you didn't get any of that oil ay?

Tell us, if it was all about oil why didn't we take it back in 1991 when Iraq was ours for the taking, including all the oil?.....

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
"And i showed that that evidence came from a communist site, which now they are calling themselves "progressive"......among some other names they are giving themselves nowadays..."

And i gave you another site which wasn't "communist".

And i showed that the other site you gave is a progressive website, progressive is another name for socialists/communists, which happen to have a bias since they want a socialist, or communist in the case of the communists, regime in the US....

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
I wrote:
"You still do support regimes that ARE oppressive, and i noticed your white washing words, "regimes that BECOME oppresive"


Well thanks for the english lesson, but i understand all about regime, and the definition you gave, does not contradict what i wrote. You still support regimes that ARE oppresive. Where as you tried to say, that you stop supporting a regime when it becomes oppressive.

What i actually said was that many people who we have supported have become oppressive... We did not put Saddam in power, yet we did try to work with him before making any attacks on his regime. Woud you rather have us attacking all the oppressive regimes all the time?....

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
HAAHHH!

your really grassping at straws there.
......................
Actually, it was the PRO-Chavez protestors that where shot at. Since Chavez doesn't controll the police nor the media in venezuela, they are still controlled by the corporations.

First off, everyone of the shooters was caught on tape, yet not one of them has been put on trial....why?.... Chavez has put on trial military personnel and even people who were working to oust him....so if those who were shooting were from the opposition of Chavez...why haven't they been brought to court?.... the anwser is simple...because it was chavez's thugs who opened fire and he doesn't want to put his people on trial....

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
www.iacenter.org...

www.allaboutpalestine.com...

From the sources: "Gun fire erupted during the violent clash of the two demonstrations, resulting in 15 or so deaths and many being wounded. The anti-government media were quick to claim that Chavez had ordered the shootings and implied that the dead were anti-Chavez protesters.

However, the media refused to release the names of the dead. In fact, according to eyewitness accounts, most of those killed were Chavez supporters shot by snipers. It seems the shootings were carried out by members of Bandera Roja, a bizarre ultra left sect which has been working with the far right. "

LOL...now you are claiming that "a bizarre ultra left sect" is working with the far right?..... LOL.....you would do anything to try to support your dellusions...the Chavistas obviously are also trying to support their own dellusions.... radicals from the left getting together with right wingers.... lol

Chavez is a leftist....why in the world would leftists want him out?...

BTW i have presented before a recorded conversation of Chavez giving the green light for the troops and the police force to use force against the civilians. In the conversation he gives green light to use the Avila plan. A plan which has been used before to use deadly force against the Venezuelans..

Venezuela: One million march against Chavez

On Thursday, more than one million people from all over Venezuela concentrated in the capital, Caracas, to express their discontent against the government of President Hugo Chavez.

Independent sources placed the number of demonstrators at between 1.2 million and 2 million, while official sources refused to estimate the number. During a confrontation between pro- and anti-Chavez demonstrators, a man was killed, shot in the head.

The demonstration was called by the group ?Democratic Coordinator¦, which unites all political formations which want President Chavez to resign.

Marcia MIRANDA
PRAVDA.Ru

Excerpted from.
english.pravda.ru...

i wonder why the officials of Chavez didn't want to comment on the number of people in this particular protest....

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
I am glad you admit that that is what the people of venezuella want to follow, now stop meddling in their affairs, and act like the democratic country you claim to be.

It was actually Chavez who said this, not the majority of the people in Venezuela...

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
So many syrians are part of the insurgency? That's just one of your various lies to try to convince yourself that iraqies are not fighting you. Out of 10,00 people held in abu gharib, only about 300 of them are "foreign".

First evidence of foreign fighters in Iraq
By Robert Fisk in Sidon
07 December 2003


When the Lebanese police arrested Moammer Abdullah Aouama last month, they claimed they had caught one of the men behind a series of bomb attacks against American fast-food restaurants in Lebanon. He had, supposedly, been handed to the authorities by Palestinians in the huge Ein el-Helwe refugee camp in Sidon where he had been hiding. But the real story is a little different. Moammer Aouama, say Palestinian sources, was loyal to Osama bin Laden and was en route to Iraq when he was picked up by the police.

For weeks now there have been reports that Islamists in Ein el-Helwe - where thousands of Palestinians have turned to Sunni Islam for their political inspiration rather than the discredited nationalism of the past - have been travelling to Iraq to fight the Americans. One local Lebanese journalist believes that more than 100 fighters have left via Syria for Iraq, although Palestinians say the true figure is only in the dozens. Nevertheless, the exodus from the camp does provide some evidence that the Bush administration's insistence that "foreign fighters'' are arriving in Iraq has some basis in truth.

Excerpted from.
fairuse.1accesshost.com...

Officials Fear Iraq's Lure for Muslims in Europe
By CRAIG S. SMITH and DON VAN NATTA Jr.

Published: October 23, 2004


ARIS, Oct. 22 - France's antiterrorist police on Friday identified a young Frenchman killed fighting the United States in Iraq, the first confirmed case of what is believed to be a growing stream of Muslims heading from Europe to fight what they regard as a new holy war.

Redouane el-Hakim, 19, the son of Tunisian immigrants, died during an American bombardment of insurgents in Falluja on July 17, according to an intelligence official close to the case.

Excerpted from.
NYTimes Link

Muslims from all over the world have been going to fight in Iraq, they are not only Iraqi, and those Iraqis fighting against the coalition are part of the minority of the people of Iraq...

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Iraqies don't see themselves as Syrian? We are all children of Bilad Al Sham, we where one country once. We are bound by blood and history, we the arab people, are one people.

You are one people? really? The same one people who have fought each other in countless battles, including fighting against whole nations, such as Iraq/Iran?...


Let's see how much your proclaimed blood brothers love each other...

7 al-Zarqawi insurgents found slain in retaliation for killing
Payback's a .......


Unlike the corpses elsewhere, which were mostly Iraqi police and soldiers, the bodies in Ramadi apparently were foreigners, fighters working for Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who has claimed responsibility for suicide bombings, kidnappings and assassinations.

"My cousins are the ones who killed them," said Jabbar Khalaf Marawi, 42, a
former army officer and Communist Party member in Ramadi. Marawi said the slayings were carried out by members of his Dulaimi clan in retaliation for the Oct. 2 killing of a clan leader, Lt. Col. Sulaiman Ahmed Dulaimi, the Iraqi National Guard commander for Ramadi and Fallujah, by al-Zarqawi's group.

Excerpted from.
exposingtheleft.blogspot.com...

You obviously do not even know the history of the Middle East...claiming all Arab people are one...well it seems a lot of your people want to separate and kill each other...

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Who in the resistance is killing innocent iraqies, no one in the resistance is killing innocent iraqies. Why would they, what would they benefit? do they want to make themselves less popular? a gorrilla war can not be won without a popular base.

Because they want control over Iraq....you are obviously oblivious of the squirmishes and battles fought between Arab people from different sects if you are claiming that no insurgents are killing Iraqis...

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
If a bomb is put in a church, mosque or market place, most likely the mossad/CIA was behind it, under the guise of there puppets "al Qaeda".

Suuure....now the CIA are recruiting and paying people to blow themselves up huh?....

Hey, maybe the CIA is recruiting people promising once they blow themselves up allah is going to pay them with 72 virgins and everything else they want to...whatever it is....

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
The Iraqies ARE the resistance.

Suuure, as i have shown the insurgents are killing Iraqis...and quite a lot of them..while committing suicide..unless you want to claim now that CIA agents are doing black ops in which they commit suicide by crashing trucks full of explosives against mosques and other target where there are civilians....

Now, i would really like to know how exactly you are going to try to claim that the CIA agents are killing themselves knowingly for any black ops....

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Some of the police are part of the resistance, as i have shown in my previous sources if you read them.
But those that collaborate with the occupation, and kill their fellow iraqies, are executed, as they should be.

Oh....so now you are proclaiming that "some" (according to you) Iraqis are being murdered by the insurgency..... Well, at least you admit that much.... but i thought you said before that no Iraqis are being killed by the insurgents.....


[edit on 9-5-2005 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Have i crushed all opposition already?

you dissapoint me.

not really...people have to sleep....and do other things in their lives....in case you didn't know....

Who dissapoints me it is you, you obviously have no idea of the history of the middle east to claim that Arabs are one people united, and that the insurgents wouldn't attack Arabs.....

[edit on 9-5-2005 by Muaddib]

bravo, bravo Muaddib. people can't always stay online forever to respond to the other persons comments and people are busy or sleeping.

It seems that Syrai is being naughty.

apnews.myway.com...

Marines, sailors and soldiers from Regimental Combat Team 2, 2nd Marine Division, were conducting the offensive in an area north of the Euphrates River, in the al-Jazirah Desert, a known smuggling route and sanctuary for foreign insurgents, the military said.

Go get'em boys and girls!

Roper

See what the great freedom fighters do to children? See what the US soldier does?

www.foxnews.com...

Roper

Originally posted by Roper
See what the great freedom fighters do to children? See what the US soldier does?
Roper

Yes, I know...people like sister Syrian probably don't believe this or that soldiers of the coalition have died trying to save Iraqis from insurgent fire and mortars.... she is one of those people who prefers to think all the coalition has done is evil and there is nothing else about it...

i know for certain that not all soldiers are good people, but the majority of them are more humane than most of the insurgents....

Here is another recent story of what soldiers have done to help Iraqis.

155th Combat Brigade
FORWARD OPERATING BASE ISKANDARIYAH, IRAQ -- Soldiers from the 155th Brigade Combat Team saved the life of an Iraqi policeman's 18-month-old daughter and helped her two older sisters after a heater malfunctioned and caught their house on fire March 12 in Iskandariyah.
The policeman took his children to a local clinic shortly after the incident where they were given first-response care, but the doctors told him there would be a fee of $300 to give them the care they needed.

Without enough money to admit his daughters into the clinic, the policeman was forced to return home and hope for the best. However, their conditions worsened during the next few days and he began searching for another option. The option he found was the Army.

SPC Raymond Lewis, combat medic, Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 155th Brigade Combat Team, Mississippi National Guard, was on a reconnaissance mission with a squad of Soldiers when he was approached by the Iraqi Policeman who was concerned about his children, who were still suffering from burns they received eight days prior.

"I went down there to see what was going on," SPC Lewis said. "The baby had second- and third-degree burns all over her face, another child who was about seven (years old) had second- and third-degree burns to the right side of her face and her ear. They also had another child. I think she was about five (years old), and she had first-degree burns to her legs.

Excerpted from.
www.zwire.com...


But of course, people like syrian sister prefer to believe everything bad that is said about the coalition...whether or not it is true..




[edit on 9-5-2005 by Muaddib]

First off i am not anybody's dog for you to tell me "good boy"...., so unless you want to trade insults, stop the condescending and idiotic insults...thank you very much...

I'm so sorry, do you want me to call you bad boy? Your the one who wrote, "WTH?... you are obviously out of your mind." . Who is insulting who?

Oh really? why is that?, i already presented evidence that your so beloved insurgents are nothing more than cowards who use children and are killing more Iraqis now than they are killing coalition forces

And i already provided you with evidence that the resistance are the people of iraq, that the resistance are heros, and that your imperialist storm troopers and murderers. And all the sources i provided where not all from "communist" sources, only very few of them where even from leftist sources. I gave you a website that shows you the report about the effect of the sanctions from the US government itself. Why did you not adress that?

I wrote, Don't put words in my mouth thankyou. I never said the US was evil. Your government does evil things. Doesn't mean all americans are evil, and doesn't mean that you are evil. You think i am in the resistance? heh, no no no, but thanks for the compliment.

You wrote, Oh, you are not saying this huh?...what are all these claims you are posting in here about?... and didn't you included me when you were talking about the US government?

I said this before, and i'll say it again, when i said YOU. I was talking about the US's imperialist Regime, and those who support it. Yes, that includes you apperantly. BUT I don't use silly childish words like 'he's EVVIIL, EEEVVVIL', your president may use those words, but i don't. And so don't put words in my mouth, your government may do evil things, but i never said anyone was evil, not the US, not it's people, not you.

If you press the quote button in the post you are trying to quote you will get a quoting message. To begin a quote you put quote between brackets [] to end a quote you put /quote between brackets. It is all explained in the faq section of the website. i thought you were a good researcher.

Thanks for the tip, but your too late, i found out on my own. If you actually read any of my posts you would have realised that. I would have prefered to hear it from you but, alas, you can't have everything.

I said. Yes, You, don't look so innocent wash your hands and say it was President Clinton, lol

You said. First you are telling me that you are distinguishing me from the US, and now you are saying that I am also at fault of what you are claiming.... ...oookay....

Don't get confused, i do distinguish between a people and it's government. HOWEVER, your people claim that their system is democratic. Therefore, they are responsible to some degeree for the actions of that government.

What is more, if you claim that the actions of the former Bush, and the clinton, were wrong, and not supported by the US people. Then you should show that you are telling the truth to the world, and punish these men for their crimes. In your democratic country, you should be able to bring people to account no? Then, ater having done that, you can come here and tell me, that you are not at fault.

You wrote. Guess then that the actions of every terrorist and oppressive regime in every country in the middle east represents all the people in the middle east. So you are all responsible...

No, you missed the point, those oppressive regimes are not democratic, they don't represent the people. Unlike what you claim america is. There is only two ways you can wash your hands of the blood of the 1.5 million innocen iraqies you killed. If you either openly claim that the US is not democratic and did not vote for clinton or bush, and did not support his actions, or you can openly in view of the whole world punishing those responsible.

WTH?... you are obviously out of your mind. And yes I call you part of the insurgency because you have in your mind that the US is evil and that all the US should pay for what you are claiming is happening, you are saying it pretty much in those words...so i am not puting words in your mouth... You are saying that we the American people, like what is happening to the children in iraq... ???

You didn't appose it all those years, you didn't say, NOT IN OUR NAME, YOU WILL END THE SANCTIONS NOW. You didn't protests, you didn't vote out straight away during that time. So you either like what happened to the iraqi children, or you just didn't give a damn. Take your pick.

As for what you said about islam and what not. I actually have doccuments to back up my stories. Besides don't you think it's a little racist of you to immedietly think that i am muslim? you know alot of syrians are christian. Don't turn this into an article about religion. This is about your imperialist war against a defencless sovereign nation, and a people, both muslim and christian, who are reppelling your occupation.

...you are even calling those who have beheaded hostages as a resistance fighting for a good cause....

NO, don't put words in my mouth! thankyou! I never said those that behead hostages are the resistance. I said those that behead hostages aer mossad agents trying to defame the resistance. The Iraqi resistance has already said they have nothing to do with these crimes.

The resistance doesn't hurt civilians, and if they execute it's Spies, Traitors, and Merceneraries. Geneva conventions clearly state that it is ok to execute Spies and Mercenaries. And when they execute them, they don't behead them, they make the kneel then shoot them in the head. That's the way it HAS to be done. That's the rules of engagement, if you can't hack it, don't start a war.

YOu accuse the resistance of crimes against humanity, when it is YOU who execute wounded POW's. Like the three who where shot and lying on the floor, and then your Myrimidion sprayed them with bullets. "he's dead now". Are you going to tell me they where hiding grenades? Common, i dare you!

So a quote saying we have no opinion about your dispute is a green light to start a war.... Who is grabbing at straws in here?....

Well, it's certainly not a read light is it? It's ammusing how you had no comment about the first half of the flash though.

The iraqi resistance are a bunch of cowards and assassins who hide in mosques and hospitals attacking the coalition...

And i suppose you had nothing to say about the article of the US snipers using the mosque?

Insurgents attack bakery, mosque in Iraq
(Agencies)
Updated: 2005-02-11 20:59

A car bomb exploded outside a Shiite mosque northeast of Baghdad on Friday, killing 13 and injuring more than 40, a police official and witnesses said, while masked men sprayed gunfire into a crowd at a bakery in a mostly Shiite neighborhood in the capital, killing 11 people, police said.

Mosques are sacred to all muslims, wether they are a shia mosque or a sunni mosque. A muslim would never attack a mosque. Infact on that note, a muslim would never attack a church either. So if you claim that the resistance is muslim, then obviously they did not do this. Who did this, could it be someone who is trying to spark cival war in iraq?

Who would benefit most from cival war? Divide and conquer, the US would benefit most from it. Instead of fighting you, the iraqies would fight each other, then you could pretend you are in iraq as a "peace keeper". Well iraqies won't fall for your silly tactics. They know who the bombers of mosques and civilians are. They have seen fallujah. The people united, will never be defeated, and the people of iraq and the resistance are united.

Your "elections" are nothing but Selections. The resistance doesn't care who wins, wether they claim to be Shia, or wether they claim to be Sunni. Infact they are neither, all they are is criminal traitors and collaborators. In other words, dead meat walking.


Le's keep reading how much do your insurgents love the Iraqi people.

Sunnis attack town mosque, take hostages
Militants demand Shiites leave village.

Published Sunday, April 17, 2005
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraqi security forces surrounded a central Iraqi village yesterday after Sunni militants took as many as 100 Shiite Muslims hostage and threatened to kill the captives if other Shiites did not leave town. The explosive sectarian standoff played out as 17 people - including a U.S. soldier - were killed in insurgent attacks elsewhere in Iraq.

Excerpted from.
www.showmenews.com...

I'm glad you posted this, because it was exposed as false, a few days later BY THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA! Infact there was never any hostages! That whole thing was made up!

www.iraq-war.ru...
New York Times Online
17th April
Sent to Rescue Shiite Hostages, Iraqi Troops Find None (added)

BAGHDAD, Iraq, April 17 - Anyone in Baghdad this morning could have been forgiven for thinking the country was on the verge of civil war.

Three Iraqi Army battalions had surrounded the town of Madaen, just south of the capital, where Sunni kidnappers were said to be threatening to kill hundreds of Shiite hostages unless all Shiites left the town. As the national assembly met, Iraq's top political figures warned of a grave sectarian crisis. Iraq's most revered Shiite cleric issued a plea for restraint. Even the outgoing prime minister released a statement decrying the "savage, filthy, and dirty atrocities" in Madaen.

But as the army battalions arrived in Madaen, they saw streets full of people calmly sipping tea in cafés and going about their business. There were no armed Sunni mobs, no cowering Shiite victims. After hours of careful searches, the soldiers assisted by air surveillance found no evidence of any kidnappings or refugees at all.

By this afternoon, Iraqi army officials were reporting that the crisis in Madaen, which had been narrated in a stream of breathless television reports and news agency stories, was nothing but a tissue of rumors and politically motivated accusations.

The hysteria over Madaen was one vivid illustration of the way Iraq's daily violence and sectarian tension, which are real enough, can be easily twisted into fantasy here. In a country where phones are unreliable and roads between cities often blocked, facts can give way to a fast-running engine of rumor. And most people have good reason to believe the worst.

The wild rumors are also an index of Iraq's current political turmoil. Some of the early reports about the Madaen kidnappings on Friday night came from Shiite political figures who are bitterly angry at the outgoing government of Dr. Ayad Allawi. In the past, some Shiites have been quick to emphasize any hints that his government may be losing control.

The Shiites' anger at Dr. Allawi, a secular Shiite and former Baathist, stems in part from his decision to rehire a number of other former Baathists into the government and military. Like the Kurds, Iraqi's Shiites were brutally oppressed by Saddam Hussein's Baathist government.

Dr. Allawi handed in his resignation as prime minister last week, but the new Shiite-led coalition government has yet to take power, and many of its members are impatient.

"We are in a political vacuum," said Sabah Kadhim, a spokesman for Iraq's outgoing interior minister. "Politicians will be politicians, but I blame them for not forming a government quickly enough."

The rumors in Madaen did not grow from nothing. A group of traveling Shiites was kidnapped last week near the town, 10 miles south of Baghdad, Iraqi Interior Ministry officials said today. That generated a retaliatory kidnapping of a group of Sunnis by Shiites a few days later.

Sunni Arabs and Shiites have clashed often in the area south of Baghdad, particularly the lawless zone known as the Triangle of Death, which is northeast of Madaen.

On Friday night, Interior Ministry officials said the police in Madaen were reporting that a group of Sunnis with roots in Anbar Province, where sectarian tensions have risen lately, had kidnapped three Shiites and were threatening to kill them unless all Shiites agreed to leave the town.

The story, with its overtones of Bosnia-style ethnic cleansing, quickly grew. On Saturday Iraqiya television reported that 150 hostages had been taken. Western news agencies began reporting that Shiites were fleeing Madaen and seeking refuge to the south, and that Iraqi army units were preparing to sweep into the town.

Residents in the town played down the reports on Saturday. But a bomb exploded in a Shiite mosque in Madain, fanning the notion of a sectarian conflict. No one was injured in the blast, which left the mosque in ruins.

By this morning, the story had become the first agenda at the week's first national assembly meeting. National Security Minister Qasem Dawood briefed the assembly members on the crisis and the military's plan to encircle and pacify the town.

"There is an attempt to drag this country into civil war," he said.

A Shiite assembly member, Jalal Adin al-Saghir, told the gathered members of riots, and lashed out angrily at Dr. Allawi's government for not protecting the people. Another influential member told of mines that had been placed around Madaen by terrorists, and spoke of the events there as "a kind of ethnic purge."

Not to be outdone, Dr. Allawi issued his own comment later in the day. "These wild acts of destroying peaceful homes, kidnapping innocent people, and assaulting properties and families will not go without punishment," he said in a statement about the events in Madaen.

Iraq's most revered Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, made phone calls to government officials and urged them to solve the crisis in Madaen peacefully.

Before long, the reactions to the crisis took on a sectarian coloring of their own. This afternoon a prominent group of hard-line Sunni clerics held a news conference and issued a statement, saying the Madaen crisis was a fabrication to stoke animosity against Sunnis.

Even Abu Musab al Zarqawi, the Jordanian terrorist who is Iraq's most wanted man, weighed in. His network, Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, issued a statement on Islamist Web sites saying the kidnappings were a fabrication by Iraqi and American authorities. The statement went on to say it was the Iraqi army and police who rounded up people in Madaen, and the victims were Sunnis, not Shiites.

In the end, the Iraqi army officers who searched Madaen delivered their own, more balanced verdict.

"This issue was exaggerated for political reasons related to the formation of the new government," said Maj. Gen. Mudhir Mola Abboud of the Iraqi army. "We entered the city and didid not find any hostages."


Don't trust the new york times? are they too communist for you, lol. Here is another link!

No sign of hostages in Iraq's al-Madain


Monday 18 April 2005, 11:17 Makka Time, 8:17 GMT


About 1500 Iraqi forces have moved into the besieged town



The Iraqi army has found no hostages in the besieged town of al-Madain, where fighters have reportedly been holding Shia residents hostage.


A 1500-strong Iraqi force moved into al-Madain - known also as Salman Pak - 30km southeast of Baghdad, according to an AFP correspondent embedded with the US military.

"The whole city is under control. We've secured houses where people said there were hostages. We could not find any. I don't think we'll find any," said Iraqi Brigadier-General Muhammad Sabri Latif on Monday.

The military action followed reports that Sunni fighters had abducted dozens of people and had threatened to kill them unless all Shia left the town, although details on the situation had been sketchy and contradictory.

"I think they (fighters) ran away to the other side of the river. Possibly they took hostages with them. There are no signs of any killings," said Latif.

Hiding inside

As the Iraqi forces moved in, the streets were deserted, shops shuttered and most of the town's 7000 residents were hiding inside their homes fearing a military offensive.


The incident threatens to raise
sectarian tensions

"They (the fighters) have either left or are just laying low," said US Lieutenant-Colonel Michael Johnson. "The Iraqis have secured most of the town, from here on there will be a police presence in Salman Pak."

Johnson said Iraqi forces were pushing south of the town along the Tigris to sweep through villages in the region.

The latest incident threatened to raise sectarian tensions between the country's majority Shia, who won control of parliament in January, and the Sunnis, who have lost the privilege and power they enjoyed under the ousted government of Saddam Hussein.

Al-Madain itself is built on the ruins of the ancient city of Cestiphon.

Another Falluja

Abd al-Salam al-Kubaisi, a member of the influential and mostly Sunni Association of Muslim Scholars in Iraq (AMS) told Aljazeera that he had contacted some people in al-Madain and they confirmed there was a fierce attack on the town despite the apparent absence of fighters.

"We can call this another Falluja ... the issue is a matter of pursuing resistance fighters in Baghdad"

Abd al-Salam al-Kubaisi,
AMS member

"We can call this another Falluja," al-Kubaisi said. He went on to say that the Iraqi Interior Ministry announced on 14 April that there would be an attack against al-Madain town.

"We have urged them to keep the situation calm, but they have insisted to storm this safe city with its Sunni and Shia residents. Therefore, this operation comes to create a sectarian strife in the town," he added.

Al-Huriya area in al-Wihda neighbourhood was raided 22 days ago although there were no fighters there, al-Kubaisi said. Five days later, all families were thrown out, he added.

"Therefore, the issue is a matter of pursuing resistance fighters in Baghdad," he said. "This is a US plan. Unfortunately, Iraqi National Guardsmen have been dragged into such operations."

Al-Madain witness

One resident, Ahmad al-Ubaidi, told Aljazeera: "Iraqi police forces and National Guards, backed by US troops, entered the centre of al-Madain on Monday at 7am. There was no resistance at all.

"Iraqi forces have searched citizens' houses in the town but found no hostages. Iraqi police have also confiscated some light arms from the citizens. They have even taken my light weapon," he added.

Al-Ubaidi said there are no armed fighters in the town.

"The area was safe and there was no resistance.

"Iraqi police forces asked me about hostages and I told them I was sure there are no hostages in the town. This information is incorrect," he added.

Tell us, if it was all about oil why didn't we take it back in 1991 when Iraq was ours for the taking, including all the oil?.....

Back then you where getting enough oil from venezuela and co. The energy crisis was far away. You didn't want to risk an international out cry.

Besides. At that time, you probably couldn't afford to begin an occupation, your people where not that radicalised since 9/11 had not happend. Iraq still had up to date weapons, and the people where not yet so starved. So you decided to starve then first, weaken them, so it would be easier to attack. So they would submit. How wrong you where. How wrong you where to understimate the people of Iraq!

If you are denying that you want the oil? Go ahead, openly deny it, right now. I dare you.

And i showed that the other site you gave is a progressive website, progressive is another name for socialists/communists, which happen to have a bias since they want a socialist, or communist in the case of the communists, regime in the US....

No i gave you another one after that which was not "progressive" as you say. Didn't you look at it? It listed a US government source! And why is it that i'm only allowed to give you souces that are fascist? when you never gave me a source from the left? What you think your side is the only one that tells the truth? Shows from their lies about the WMD's.

What i actually said was that many people who we have supported have become oppressive... We did not put Saddam in power, yet we did try to work with him before making any attacks on his regime. Woud you rather have us attacking all the oppressive regimes all the time?....

I know that was what you where trying to say, that you supported a regime, and that they have later become oppresive. But the fact is, you supported them when they where oppresive, not before they became oppresive. And you still support governments which are oppresive, like Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, your allies.
Would i rather you attack all oppressive regimes at once? No, i don't want you attack anyone, but i would rather you stop supporting oppressive regimes. And i would rather you stop pretending that you attacked iraq because you wanted to "remove a dictator', because if that where the case you are hypocryts, why support one dictator and remove another?

First off, everyone of the shooters was caught on tape, yet not one of them has been put on trial....why?.... Chavez has put on trial military personnel and even people who were working to oust him....so if those who were shooting were from the opposition of Chavez...why haven't they been brought to court?.... the anwser is simple...because it was chavez's thugs who opened fire and he doesn't want to put his people on trial....

If it is as you claim, then why are the dead and wounded demonstrators, pro-chavez?
I watched the tape my mself.

And to my knoweledge Chavez didn't bring any one to court. If i am mistaken, prove me wrong.

LOL...now you are claiming that "a bizarre ultra left sect" is working with the far right?..... LOL.....you would do anything to try to support your dellusions...

It's not a MY dillusion, that is the fact, and i provided the source.

BTW i have presented before a recorded conversation of Chavez giving the green light for the troops and the police force to use force against the civilians. In the conversation he gives green light to use the Avila plan. A plan which has been used before to use deadly force against the Venezuelans

You did? Not to me you didn't.

In your source it is written, "During a confrontation between pro- and anti-Chavez demonstrators, a man was killed, shot in the head".
So did the what does that tell us, who shot who? did the pro-chavez shoot an anti-chavez, or did an anti-chavez shoot a pro-chavez?

It was actually Chavez who said this, not the majority of the people in Venezuela...

Perhaps, but you where the one that wrote, that you feared for A PEOPLE who wanted to follow Castro.

Who cares what you fear, and what you think. If you belive in democracy, you will let a people choose their own path. Which they have, they have chosen chavez, like it or not.

First evidence of foreign fighters in Iraq
By Robert Fisk in Sidon
07 December 2003

Excerpted from.
fairuse.1accesshost.com...

YEs, your source supports my arguement, only Dozens or so are trickling in from the borders. EVEN the US admits the fast majority of the resistance are iraqies.

Allawi your puppet said the following. "He said that the guerrilla fighters are backed by many more Iraqis."

You probably have a lot of people who are weekend fighters, people who in the morning are tailors and grocers, and in the evening they fire the odd RPG at a passing convoy," he said, referring to a rocket-propelled grenade, a weapon of choice for insurgents. "There's quite a few of these people."

"http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2004/05/02/new_defense_chief_voices_concerns_over_insurgency?mode=PF"

And here is one from USA Today (is that Communist to you?)

www.usatoday.com...
"Suspected foreign fighters account for less than 2% of ..."

I never said that there are not any non-iraqi arabs in the resistance, but i did say that the vast majority of the resistance, are iraqies. I said on another thread :

Sure there is a small percentage of non iraqies fighting (about 300 to ten thousand looking at the numbers in abu gharib), but they are only there because IRAQIES ASKED THEM TO BE THERE! The US has it's "coalition of the willing", Aren't iraqies allowed to have allies too? Perhaps what you don't understand is that we arabs are linked by blood and history, we are one people. Iraq is my country as syria is their country. Infact i have iraqies in my family too. And i know my own family better than you, and they want you OUT!

You are one people? really? The same one people who have fought each other in countless battles, including fighting against whole nations, such as Iraq/Iran?...

Yes, though our oppressive governments fight each other, we remain, one people! It is you, who does not know our history.

As for what you said about Zarqawi, I already wrote an entire thread, with evidence. That Zarqawi doesn't exist, and that the Iraqi people and the Iraqi resistance, don't belive in him either.

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Who in the resistance is killing innocent iraqies, no one in the resistance is killing innocent iraqies. Why would they, what would they benefit? do they want to make themselves less popular? a gorrilla war can not be won without a popular base.

"You replied to this by saying they want controll of iraq". What they want controll of iraq so they kill civilians? That's illogical. Ofcource Iraqies want controll of iraq, but they do it by killing coallition soldiers, not themselves!

Suuure....now the CIA are recruiting and paying people to blow themselves up huh?....

They plant bombs in mosques and market places, that kill hundreds of people, and then somehow claim to have found the body of the "suicide bomber", there would be nothing left of such a body, even if it ever existed. Your CIA dose false flag opperations, and they plant bombs, they have been doing it since long before your attack on iraq. Don't belive me? read the thread "why do some people support terrorists".

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Some of the police are part of the resistance, as i have shown in my previous sources if you read them.
But those that collaborate with the occupation, and kill their fellow iraqies, are executed, as they should be.

Oh....so now you are proclaiming that "some" (according to you) Iraqis are being murdered by the insurgency..... Well, at least you admit that much.... but i thought you said before that no Iraqis are being killed by the insurgents.....

Don't put words in my mouth, i didn't say that "no Iraqies" are being killed by the resistance. I said "no INNOCENT Iraqies" are being killed by the resistance. GO back and read it yourself, the word is there, almost in bold. And i have always said, Traitors and collaborators will be executed for their crimes against the great nation of iraq.


As for what you said, about people having to sleep etc... They always seem to be sleeping at the best part of the arguement. Tsss

so long as you stick around and play, you can take breaks .

And when they execute them, they don't behead them, they make the kneel then shoot them in the head. That's the way it HAS to be done. That's the rules of engagement, if you can't hack it, don't start a war.

WOW, that was a long post!! That is not the rules of engagement, to be a considered spy in wartime you have to be spying for a state (a goverment).
Last time I checked the "resistance" was not a recognized government by any nation for that matter....so how can they legally execute spies using the ROW as thier excuse?

I seriously doubt that the "insurgents" killing the Iraqi people are Mossad agents in disguise. If they were then someone, either US or Iraqi would have noticed by now due to the fact that Israeli's look much different than Iraqis. Someone would have found a dead body and noticed the difference.

After reading your post Im assuming that you are claiming that no "insurgents" that are truly Iraqi have killed any Iraqi innocent civilians? please correct me if I'm wrong.

You have voted Muaddib for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

That is not the rules of engagement, to be a considered spy in wartime you have to be spying for a state (a goverment).

yes, Read the Geneva conventions, those are the geneva conventions. To be considered a spy, you have to be spying for a state, correct, and the spies that are captured by the resistance, are spies working for the US state.

"Last time I checked the "resistance" was not a recognized government by any nation for that matter. "

The resistance doesn't have to be recognised as a government, the spies have to be working for a government. Why do you confuse yourself so?
Again, read the geneva convention, resistance by the people against occupation is legitimate, and it's legitimate for them to execute Mercenaries, spies, and collaborators.

Look at the french Resistance against the nazi's, they executed spies, and collaborators all the time.

IS your question, do i say that the iraqi resistance doesn't kill innocent iraqies, the answer is yes.

Last night I had made a long response to Syrin Sister, but somehow the response got erased, maybe i hit a wrong button or something.

Anywas, I have to go now to Texas, for a second job interview, and I will be there until Thursday night, so on Friday i will respond once more to your post Syrian.

In the meantime, perhaps you should do yourself a favor and read up on the conflicts between Arabs in the Middle east. You obviously do not know much about them to claim that the insurgency don't kill innocent people...

Syrian Sister, I followed the arguement between you and Muaddib and if this was a boxing match....you would be on the floor bleeding and beaten.

He spent alot of time trying to pound some sense into you, but he may as well debate with a farm aninmal, because your just not intelligent enough to absorb what he said.

His points are so strong...that only a MURDERING Jihad Lover or a SICK Berkely journalism student could find fault with them.

Have you no shame?

Maximu§

first of all. LOL!

Secondly, LOOOL!

thirdly, you wrote.

Syrian Sister, I followed the arguement between you and Muaddib and if this was a boxing match....you would be on the floor bleeding and beaten. His points are so strong...that only a MURDERING Jihad Lover or a SICK Berkely journalism student could find fault with them.

Do to your last sentence, your opinion of this thread are obviously BIAS, due to your own political opinion.

Any non bias source will see that i have one, i hit every single on of his riddiculous arguements with logical statements.

And the last blow was mine. It is he who lies on the ground bleeding.

DING DING DING! I get the champion ship belt. Wether you like it or not.

Originally posted by Syrian Sister


They where exiles or immigrants, living in countries like the US , Israel, Britain, Australia etc... How can they claim to be Iraqi when some of them haven't even stepped foot in iraq?

It was the first "election" in the world, where Non-Citizens where able to vote in it.

though.

So Exiles and immigrants from Iraq according to you, never lived in Iraq

You just shot yourself in the foot on that one big time

perhaps you should have looked up the word exile first before inserting foot you know where.

Exile: One who lives away from one's native country, whether because of expulsion or voluntary absence.

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Have i crushed all opposition already?

Hardly from what I have seen Muaddib is using you to mop the floor.

way to go Muaddib

You have voted Muaddib for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Way to go Muaddib

your still sore that i kicked your ass on the "there is no such thing as al-Zarqawi thread"
That you actually went out ot seek outher threads i post on? heheh sad.
Well, your opinion is obviously bias, at this time it is muaddib that lies on the floor, not i.

So Exiles and immigrants from Iraq according to you, never lived in Iraq

Read my wording, i said SOME of them have never even been to Iraq. Some of them have parents who where imigrants. And besides, it doesn't change the fact, that people who aren't even iraqi citizens, who haven't lived in iraq for years or even generations, and who continue not to live in iraq.

There has never been an election like that conducted like that before, it's a falacy. It's like one country deciding the fate of anothers.

Originally posted by Syrian Sister

Well, your opinion is obviously bias, at this time it is muaddib that lies on the floor, not i.

Hardly the way I see it he has done one fine job on proving your points wrong.

Some of them have parents who where imigrants. And besides, it doesn't change the fact, that people who aren't even iraqi citizens, who haven't lived in iraq for years or even generations, and who continue not to live in iraq.

There has never been an election like that conducted like that before, it's a falacy. It's like one country deciding the fate of anothers.

Again you are shooting your foot

In order to vote they had to be Iraqi citizens. The only fallacy here is yours.


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In order to vote they had to be Iraqi citizens

HAH!, wrong!

Hundreds of thousands of Israelis can vote in Iraqi elections
By: Haaretz on: 14.01.2005 [21:33] (114 reads)

''All Israelis who can prove they or their fathers were born in iraq will be eligible to vote in the upcoming elections'
Last Update: 13/01/2005 18:14
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Israelis of Iraqi origin can vote in Iraqi elections

Registration will begin in four days, and anyone who is or once was an Iraqi citizen, even if he was deprived of the citizenship, is eligible to vote, Sarah Tosh, spokesperson for Iraq's out-of-country-voting (OCV) central headquarters, said Wednesday.

"There are no restrictions on Iraqis on the basis of religion, race or sex," said Tosh. "This definitely includes those who are Israeli citizens today."

Anyone who has an original Iraqi birth certificate may take part in the vote. Other required certificates are an Iraqi passport, an identity card, or a form from the Iraqi population registrar testifying that the holder is or was an Iraqi citizen.

A wedding registration from Iraq, a university graduation certificate or land registry ownership certificates will also be accepted. Those whose father is Iraqi may also vote, even if they were born in another country, as long as they have a certificate proving it. However, children to mothers of Iraqi descent may not vote, because the Iraqi law from 1957 grants citizenship only to children with Iraqi fathers.

Registration will take place from January 17-23, and polling from January 28-30. Eligible voters will have to produce their registration receipt and ID to cast their ballot. More details may be found on www.ccicoa.org.

"I call on everyone who lives in the free states to come and vote, to provide a counter balance to the voters from other countries," said Mithal al-Alousi, the Iraqi politician who visited Israel last year and is today the secretary general of the Democratic Party of the Iraqi nation. He was referring to hundreds of thousands of votes that will come from ballots posted in Iran.

Some 130,000 Jews emigrated from Iraq to Israel after it's establishment, decimating one of the oldest Jewish communities in the Arab world. The Jews left considerable property behind, as the Iraqi government forbade them to take it out of the country or sell it.

Shlomo Hillel, former Knesset speaker and winner of the Israel Prize for his activity on behalf of Iraq's Jews, said Wednesday that if former Iraqis living in Israel may vote in the elections "it would be a very significant step signaling Iraq's willingness to change direction."

However, Hillel said he finds it difficult to believe that anyone who announces that he is an Israeli citizen would be allowed to vote.

Former defense minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, who immigrated to Israel from Iraq at 12, does not believe Israelis will vote "because anyone who sees Israel as his country will not vote in the Iraqi elections."

By Yoav Stern, Haaretz Correspondent

NOTE: Haaretz is a jewish newspaper.
That's the whole point of what i was writing, people who where not citizens of iraq voted in your sham elections. You call that a democracy?