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The Iraqi people have spoken: they want the occupation OUT!

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posted on May, 8 2005 @ 08:44 PM
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You are listening to a small part of the population of Iraq..

Iraq is a pretty big place and the war has brought peace to the northern and southern parts of Iraq. The kurds live to the north, and the Shia majority to the south. Those areas are now mostly peaceful because the coalition ousted Saddam.




posted on May, 8 2005 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by Amethyst
I think this about sums it up:





*high five to that*


The US does want freedom in Iraq - FREEDOM OF THE MARKETS -

They want the previously closed markets opened - ie the Oil Feilds!

The Iraqi people are now free to invest in US Monopolies...

What a great day it is in Iraq today...



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 09:09 PM
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you wrote the following.

"quote:
Decisive win for Shiites in Iraq election, turnout at 59 percent

According to figures released by the Independent Electoral Commission in Iraq, the United Iraqi Alliance backed by top Shiite cleric Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani won 48.1 percent of the vote.

It obtained 4,075,295 votes out of the 8,456,266 cast by Iraqis in the milestone January 30 elections to choose a new national assembly, provincial councils and a regional Kurdish parliament"

4 million voted inside iraq, 4 million voters where from OUTSIDE IRAQ!

And as for your comment about the first person voting being a woman, What are you trying to suggest, that women didn't have the vote when saddam was in power? How ridiculous, women where in government when saddam was in power.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 09:12 PM
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The tiny part, who are collaborating with you, the tiny opportunist traitors. The meger 10% that voted in your sham elections.

The rest of Iraq, are resisting, and resisting in full force!

South peacefull aahahah, is that what your media is selling you now?

the South is controlled by the Mehdi Army, while your baby killing troops are cowaring in their bases, that's why it's so peaceful.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
And as for your comment about the first person voting being a woman, What are you trying to suggest, that women didn't have the vote when saddam was in power? How ridiculous, women where in government when saddam was in power.


yeah, Saddam Hussiens Iraq was one of the BEST middle-eastern countries in regards to womens rights... Girls were aloud to go to school, women were aloud to hold positions in government, and they weren't forced to wear that whole cloak thing (I forget its name)



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 09:22 PM
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A story of when US troops and their mercenaries, raided a hospital, destroyed medicenes, terrorirsed

I heard a story of a family killed by phosperous.

I heard a story about a little girl, who hid under her bed with her brother, as they watched their mother father and older brother get shot by US soldiers. They stayed under that bed for 2 days, to scared to come out... but the Soldiers came back and shot them both. The girl survived, the boy did not.

I have seen the photos of the children under the rubble.

I have seen the way that the 300 000 thousand refugees lived in the camps.

I have seen the Iraqi flag drapped over the fresh graves of the heroic people of Fallujah, who fought for their homes and their familes, untill their last breath.

I saw the tears of mothers for the lives of their sons.

I heard the regret and the dissalusionment from the mouths of the enemy themselves.

I saw the Freedom you gave fallujah, when you finger print them and ID them, and retna scan them, before you allowed them back to what was left of their city, which was nothing but rubble.

I have family in iraq as well. But they are Iraqies, not criminal invaders, and they are resisting you.

BUt i also see, that Al-Fallujah, the city who has always fought imperialists through out its history, i can see that they are STILL FIGHTING YOU! AND THEY WILL NEVER SURRENDER!

So take your pseudo-democracy and your capitalist hypocracy, and get the hell out of iraq! WHILE YOU STILL CAN.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 09:25 PM
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Saddam was not a good man, infact he was a US sponsered stooge.

But he was a secular leftist, and hated the religious that's a fact. But even if he was religious, you think that muslims don' let woman vote, go to school, or lead nations? That's laughable, look at indonesia, the country who has the greatest number of muslims in the world. Their president was a woman for 4 years.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
A story of when US troops and their mercenaries, raided a hospital, destroyed medicenes, terrorirsed

I heard a story of a family killed by phosperous.

I heard a story about a little girl, who hid under her bed with her brother, as they watched their mother father and older brother get shot by US soldiers. They stayed under that bed for 2 days, to scared to come out... but the Soldiers came back and shot them both. The girl survived, the boy did not.

I have seen the photos of the children under the rubble.

I have seen the way that the 300 000 thousand refugees lived in the camps.

I have seen the Iraqi flag drapped over the fresh graves of the heroic people of Fallujah, who fought for their homes and their familes, untill their last breath.

I saw the tears of mothers for the lives of their sons.

I heard the regret and the dissalusionment from the mouths of the enemy themselves.

I saw the Freedom you gave fallujah, when you finger print them and ID them, and retna scan them, before you allowed them back to what was left of their city, which was nothing but rubble.

I have family in iraq as well. But they are Iraqies, not criminal invaders, and they are resisting you.

BUt i also see, that Al-Fallujah, the city who has always fought imperialists through out its history, i can see that they are STILL FIGHTING YOU! AND THEY WILL NEVER SURRENDER!

So take your pseudo-democracy and your capitalist hypocracy, and get the hell out of iraq! WHILE YOU STILL CAN.


Im not denying your claims....I can't prove otherwise.
But can you prove they are true? A link or something, or are they
just stories as you said?

and the same thing happened when Saddam was in power too by his people and his sons.

Are you Syrian?



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 09:47 PM
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But i am not at home at the momment, so you will have to wait a while , i have archived alot of your warcrimes, since the begining of the war, it's on my own hard drive.. SO be prepared... there will be alot of reading.

"didn't the same thing happen under saddam'.

Saddam may have imprisoned and executed people who apposed him, and yes cival liberties where bad, he was a dictator, just like alot of dictators around the world, some of which the US still supports.

But Saddam didn't just send in soldiers to massacre entire families, and destroy cities at his whim. No that did not happen.

Besides, the Iraqi people didn't ask you to put Saddam into power in the first place. They didn't ask you to invade their country, and kill 100,000 iraiqes to "remove him". Nor did they ask you for the new regime, which you puppet and which is in no way reprsentitive of the will of the iraqi people.

They didn't ask for your crimes and your sanctions, that resulted in the death of 1.5 million iraqies by 1995. They did not ask for all the weapons that you used against them which where against geneva conventions. Like Napalm (know hidded under the name of 'white phospherous') and Depleted Uranium. The Same Depleted Uranium you used in 1991 which resulted in the worst deformaties in children in history, equalled only by hiroshima and nagasaki.

But the Iraqies are asking ONe thing of you now, and i hope that you can listen to them. They are asking you to LEAVE!



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
I saw the Freedom you gave fallujah, when you finger print them and ID them, and retna scan them, before you allowed them back to what was left of their city, which was nothing but rubble.


You got that right, Syrian!


This was on a MAINSTREAM news piece, the show when Tom Brokaw did his last, uh, show. A correspondent was in Iraq, speaking about Fallujah after the city was sacked. He said that they were letting the hundreds of thousands of refugees back into the city, but only in groups of a couple thousand. But, here's the kicker...

Every single person was to be fingerprinted, given an ID card, and given a retina scan. A RETINA SCAN! If that wasn't bad enough, guess how the troops were authorized to enforce this? Yup, they were authorized to use DEADLY force to make sure the people complied. That's bull#!

"Take this card, give me your prints and an eye scan, or I'll blast your ass!" Sounds like freedom to me...



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 10:11 PM
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It's just some light reading for people bright people, like truth seeker and ghost soldier.

It is not the articles that will back up my stories. I know you will only belive articles from "mainstream" sources like the one truth seeker gave.

www.empirenotes.org...

Look at the ambulance, that is not the only picture i have of the ambulances the US destroyed during the sieges.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
The tiny part, who are collaborating with you, the tiny opportunist traitors. The meger 10% that voted in your sham elections.

The rest of Iraq, are resisting, and resisting in full force!

South peacefull aahahah, is that what your media is selling you now?

the South is controlled by the Mehdi Army, while your baby killing troops are cowaring in their bases, that's why it's so peaceful.


Traitors to what exactly?... and in case you haven't noticed it has been the insurgents doing most of the killings of Iraqi people. Last i remember Iraqis took up arms against terroris/insurgents that were attacking them.. Well done for the Iraqi people.


US troops baby killers?.... i can see where you stand.... So tell us, what are you exactly? are you in favor of the terrorists, i mean insurgents?...



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 10:24 PM
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The only terrorists are you.

You try to defame the resistance, by relating them to al Qaeda, when the resistance has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. And they have said so. And it's widley belived in iraq, that Al Qaeda is a CIA front, and that all those bombings of civilians are done by the CIA as a 'counter-insurgency' method in defaming the Resistance.

The resistance doesn't hurt civilians. Why would the resistance hurt their own families? Why would they kill the very people, they are risking their lives to protect? You think about it.

I have seen videos of resistance operations, they take special care to keep the lives of their country men safe. You on the other hand don't give a damn about the lives of Iraqies. We saw what you did in Fallujah.

Read the article i gave above, read how the people love the resistance and the resistance love the people. If this where not so, the resistance would not exist, and would not be able to move so freely.

"Traitors to what exactly?" Those in the puppet regime, are traitors to Iraq, the people and the nation. The same way as the vicci french government where traitors to france during the nazi occupation.

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posted on May, 8 2005 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
A story of when US troops and their mercenaries, raided a hospital, destroyed medicenes, terrorirsed
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Ah, rumors...coming from who exactly i just wonder?....


Originally posted by Syrian Sister
I heard a story about a little girl, who hid under her bed with her brother, as they watched their mother father and older brother get shot by US soldiers. They stayed under that bed for 2 days, to scared to come out... but the Soldiers came back and shot them both. The girl survived, the boy did not.


Another story?... i doubt the US soldiers would have shot these people unless they were armed and attacking....so lying and exagerating in here is not going to help you much.



Originally posted by Syrian Sister
I have seen the photos of the children under the rubble.


Many of who have died by the attacks of your so beloved terrorists/insurgents....

Every attack in Iraq being done by insurgents is killing more Iraqis than coalition forces...


Originally posted by Syrian Sister
I have seen the Iraqi flag drapped over the fresh graves of the heroic people of Fallujah, who fought for their homes and their familes, untill their last breath.


Heroic?...hiding in mosques and hospitals and attacking from there?.... yeah, very heroic...



Originally posted by Syrian Sister
I saw the tears of mothers for the lives of their sons.


As it happens in war regrettably. i am also certain a lot of these women were crying for the deaths of loved ones that were killed by the insurgency...



Originally posted by Syrian Sister
I heard the regret and the dissalusionment from the mouths of the enemy themselves.


As it happens in war, and as i know even quite a few of the children are used by the insurgents as fighters... i wouldn't like having to shoot a child if he/she is pointing a gun at me, but if it comes down to letting him/her shoot me and the next man beside me i will shoot, even if i regret it later on...



Originally posted by Syrian Sister
I saw the Freedom you gave fallujah, when you finger print them and ID them, and retna scan them, before you allowed them back to what was left of their city, which was nothing but rubble.


And i saw the slaughterhouses that were in Fallujah, the exact places where people have been tortured and beheaded, including women. Not to mention at least the two Middle eastern men that were freed from captivity because your insurgents were torturing them... try to claim it is a lie... I know exactly who is lying, and it isn't me.



Originally posted by Syrian Sister
I have family in iraq as well. But they are Iraqies, not criminal invaders, and they are resisting you.


You mean the same insurgents that are killing more Iraqis than coalition forces?... Yeah, they are attacking the evil people...the Iraqi people is who they are killing the most...



Originally posted by Syrian Sister
BUt i also see, that Al-Fallujah, the city who has always fought imperialists through out its history, i can see that they are STILL FIGHTING YOU! AND THEY WILL NEVER SURRENDER!

So take your pseudo-democracy and your capitalist hypocracy, and get the hell out of iraq! WHILE YOU STILL CAN.


I see the hatred that you are trying to spread in here throught the lies you are claiming are true...

I have seen women such as yourself yell and swear that they will destroy Israelis and the US for helping them....and will fight to the death to get westerners out of the Middle East... Yet nothing is said when many of your own people go to western countries and try to bring this same hatred out of the Middle east and into western society....



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister

But Saddam didn't just send in soldiers to massacre entire families, and destroy cities at his whim. No that did not happen.


Because of the above i know that you are lying...

Saddam actually destroyed entire villages which he ordered to be gased... Saddam killed around 60,000 Iraqis in Baghdag alone, and over a million Iraqis during his reign, many of them being women and children.


Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Besides, the Iraqi people didn't ask you to put Saddam into power in the first place. They didn't ask you to invade their country, and kill 100,000 iraiqes to "remove him". Nor did they ask you for the new regime, which you puppet and which is in no way reprsentitive of the will of the iraqi people.


This is another of those lies trying to blame the west for the problems in the Middle east.

It was the Iraqi president Al-Bakr who made Saddam vice president...latter Saddam took power and eliminated those in the Iraqi council he though would oppose him... Saddam did not need anyone's help...



Originally posted by Syrian Sister
They didn't ask for your crimes and your sanctions, that resulted in the death of 1.5 million iraqies by 1995.


Sanctions put by the UN, not only agreed by the US....and it was a democratic president who decided to agree with the UN and keep those sanctions in place which killed 1 million people....


Originally posted by Syrian Sister
They did not ask for all the weapons that you used against them which where against geneva conventions. Like Napalm (know hidded under the name of 'white phospherous') and Depleted Uranium. The Same Depleted Uranium you used in 1991 which resulted in the worst deformaties in children in history, equalled only by hiroshima and nagasaki.


White phosporous is not the same as Naplam....it is normally used in bunkers...

BTW, the gulf war did not cause the worse deformities in children in history...once again exagerating and lying trying to make your point..



Originally posted by Syrian Sister
But the Iraqies are asking ONe thing of you now, and i hope that you can listen to them. They are asking you to LEAVE!


Yes...the insurgents would very much like the coalition to leave, so they can take control of the country by force...



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
A story of when US troops and their mercenaries, raided a hospital, destroyed medicenes, terrorirsed
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Ah, rumors...coming from who exactly i just wonder?....


Rumors?
It was all over the news that they raided hospitals and even bombed one small hospital. All of the things that she mentioned in that particular list you quoted are true and are known by anyone who followed what's going on in the war.

Here are some links in case you haven't seen them:

BBC Nov 6 2004

A hospital has been razed to the ground in one of the heaviest US air raids in the Iraqi city of Falluja.

Witnesses said only the facade remained of the small Nazzal Emergency Hospital in the centre of the city. There are no reports on casualties.


Here's a Fox News report on a hospital raid from November 8 2004:
ff_iraq_100804_300.wmv

Here's a raid on a hospital from May 7 2005:


timesonline

AMERICAN soldiers have sealed off the restive city of Ramadi in western Iraq after troops raided its hospital in search of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The raid came after an apparent intelligence report that Iraq’s leading terrorist may be ill.

Residents of the violent Sunni Triangle city, 70 miles west of Baghdad, told The Times that US forces were reinforcing their positions around the city, prohibiting vehicles from entering and allowing passage only by foot through a single checkpoint. The nightly curfew has been brought forward from 10pm to 8pm.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 11:02 PM
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"Ah, rumors...coming from who exactly i just wonder?...."

Rumours? It is an account of a European aide worker, i'll give you the testimony soon.

"Another story?... i doubt the US soldiers would have shot these people unless they were armed and attacking....so lying and exagerating in here is not going to help you much."

That was the story from the girl herself, again, i will post the testimony.


"I have seen the photos of the children under the rubble

Many of who have died by the attacks of your so beloved terrorists/insurgents...."

Like i said, the resistance doesn't hurt their own people, and they where happy in Fallujah living together and governing themselves, with no one being killed or injured. No home destroyed. The children who i saw pulled from the rubble, was right after the US airplanes bombed fallujah. I will post the photographs when i get home, i am new to this board how is that done?

"Heroic?...hiding in mosques and hospitals and attacking from there?.... yeah, very heroic..."

Hospitals? They where hiding in hospitals? is that your excuse for bombing the hospital, you disgust me. And your one to talk, it was your troops who
took up sniper positions in the mosque minarets. It was you who desocrated that mosque with your filth. I have a picture, i will post it when i get home.

"As it happens in war regrettably. i am also certain a lot of these women were crying for the deaths of loved ones that were killed by the insurgency..."
Oh your so certain are you? is that why they cried and cursed the US regime at the same time? the Resistance WHERE there sons!

I said the following:
I heard the regret and the dissalusionment from the mouths of the enemy themselves

Then you said:
As it happens in war, and as i know even quite a few of the children are used by the insurgents as fighters... i wouldn't like having to shoot a child if he/she is pointing a gun at me, but if it comes down to letting him/her shoot me and the next man beside me i will shoot, even if i regret it later on..."

Who said anything about children who you seem how to shoot? i have a photograph Children being used as human shields by the US. Yes you can choose not to belive me now, and you'll probably start trying to discredit me. But the photo exists and i will post it. But what i wrote had nothing to do with children.

I spoke to a USan soldier who fought in fallujah, he said that one house he went into, there was a guy with a machine gun waiting for them who tore 2 of his comrades to pieces. I told him, yes but it is different for the US soldiers and for the resistance. And he told me " yah, because it's their home". ... it almost brought me to tears when he said that, truth shines through through all lies. I have to soldiers name and photograph. I'm not going to give it to you, though i am sure you will not belive me. For now i am going to cover his identity, i'm not untrustworthy, i respect even my enemy. Although they don't deserve it and don't respect us back.


"I see the hatred that you are trying to spread in here "

So you see, i am not trying to spread hate, i am trying to spread truth, and justice. You have seen women like me? My dear,
a girl like me, this cool, you'll never find!



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Besides, the Iraqi people didn't ask you to put Saddam into power in the first place. They didn't ask you to invade their country, and kill 100,000 iraiqes to "remove him". Nor did they ask you for the new regime, which you puppet and which is in no way reprsentitive of the will of the iraqi people.


This is another of those lies trying to blame the west for the problems in the Middle east.

It was the Iraqi president Al-Bakr who made Saddam vice president...latter Saddam took power and eliminated those in the Iraqi council he though would oppose him... Saddam did not need anyone's help...


YOu need to do some research Muaddib.
The CIA did help Saddam and they were the ones who provided him with the list of people to kill. Read the following article from United Press:



Saddam key in early CIA plot
According to another former senior State Department official, Saddam, while only in his early 20s, became a part of a U.S. plot to get rid of Qasim. According to this source, Saddam was installed in an apartment in Baghdad on al-Rashid Street directly opposite Qasim's office in Iraq's Ministry of Defense, to observe Qasim's movements.

Adel Darwish, Middle East expert and author of "Unholy Babylon," said the move was done "with full knowledge of the CIA," and that Saddam's CIA handler was an Iraqi dentist working for CIA and Egyptian intelligence. U.S. officials separately confirmed Darwish's account.

Darwish said that Saddam's paymaster was Capt. Abdel Maquid Farid, the assistant military attach� at the Egyptian Embassy who paid for the apartment from his own personal account. Three former senior U.S. officials have confirmed that this is accurate.

The assassination was set for Oct. 7, 1959, but it was completely botched. Accounts differ. One former CIA official said that the 22-year-old Saddam lost his nerve and began firing too soon, killing Qasim's driver and only wounding Qasim in the shoulder and arm. Darwish told UPI that one of the assassins had bullets that did not fit his gun and that another had a hand grenade that got stuck in the lining of his coat.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 11:09 PM
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"Saddam actually destroyed entire villages which he ordered to be gased... Saddam killed around 60,000 Iraqis in Baghdag alone, and over a million Iraqis during his reign, many of them being women and children."

The gassing of the Kurds? new evidence has come out that that gas came from Iran, but even if it turns out he did gas the kurds. Read what i wrote, i plainly admited that Saddam murdered all opposition. he was a murderous dictator, and the kurds where in opopsition. But he didn't randomly attack cities. bomb hospitals, napalm families. That did not happen.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by Syrian Sister
The only terrorists are you.

You try to defame the resistance, by relating them to al Qaeda, when the resistance has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. And they have said so. And it's widley belived in iraq, that Al Qaeda is a CIA front, and that all those bombings of civilians are done by the CIA as a 'counter-insurgency' method in defaming the Resistance.



Riiight...what else is new?....


Originally posted by Syrian Sister
The resistance doesn't hurt civilians. Why would the resistance hurt their own families? Why would they kill the very people, they are risking their lives to protect? You think about it.


For the same reason that the so called resistance strap bombs on friends and even children and sent them to kill coalition forces....

For the same reason that your so called resistance has many different bands of terrorists who have been fighting each other and never really cared about killing their own countrymen, women and children....

Many of these so called insurgents, which are nothing more than terrorists are from other countries who want to take control of Iraq....



Originally posted by Syrian Sister
I have seen videos of resistance operations, they take special care to keep the lives of their country men safe. You on the other hand don't give a damn about the lives of Iraqies. We saw what you did in Fallujah.


Riiight...yes, special care killing as many Iraqi civilians as possible... Attacking and killing Iraqi policemen who are trying to defend the real civilian iraqis from the attacks of the terrorists.. i mean your insurgents....


Originally posted by Syrian Sister
Read the article i gave above, read how the people love the resistance and the resistance love the people. If this where not so, the resistance would not exist, and would not be able to move so freely.


Let's see how much do your insurgents love the people...




Dozens of Iraqis have been killed in the past week alone and many others injured in a number of incidents involving suicide car bombings and other attacks on civilians. In this recent wave of wanton violence, four Iraqi aid workers were stabbed to death on Tuesday near Najaf. Coordinated attacks on five churches in Baghdad and Mosul on Sunday claimed the lives of 11 civilians, and a Turkish truck driver was brutally executed on Monday. Some 70 Iraqis were killed on July 28 near a police recruitment center in Baquba, 30 miles northeast of Baghdad.

“Many Iraqi political and religious leaders have rightly condemned these atrocities,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, executive director of Middle East and North Africa Division at Human Rights Watch. “They recognize that there can be no justification for this wanton killing of civilians.”

Armed insurgents’ increasing attacks on “soft targets” like civilians have created a climate in which many Iraqis are unwilling to speak out for fear of becoming targets themselves.

“Iraqis have suffered brutality for far too long,” said Whitson. “They deserve a clear break from this arbitrary violence.”

Human Rights Watch noted that these attacks on civilians are clearly proscribed by international humanitarian law. International law prohibits attacks on civilians regardless of the purpose of the attack or the political sympathies of the victim.


Excerpted from.
hrw.org...

You are going to try to claim this is a lie because you want to sell your opinion that the US is evil and the insurgent/terrorists are good....but it is not going to work..


Originally posted by Syrian Sister
"Traitors to what exactly?" Those in the puppet regime, are traitors to Iraq, the people and the nation. The same way as the vicci french government where traitors to france during the nazi occupation.
[edit on 8-5-2005 by Syrian Sister]


The people voted for that government..

[edit on 8-5-2005 by Muaddib]



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