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The Mormon Conspiracy to convert the world into Mormons

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posted on Feb, 5 2006 @ 12:21 PM
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Other Christian denominations have not had the best ways about going about things in the past either.

The Crusades, KKK, the black Church bombings, the whole Teri Schivo (sp?) case, ABC stores, censorship battles...it's all a big joke if you ask me...organized religion is like organized politics...it doesn't exist, except for inside of the mind of someone who is making the money...

I'm a photographer, so I like seeing things that just smack you in the face in photography...I'll have to find a work by Marc PoKempner of Rev. Ike, it says a lot...made me laugh...




posted on Feb, 5 2006 @ 01:35 PM
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organized religion is like organized politics


Yes....I am disgusted with all religion...and pretty disgusted with politics in general as well. All the corruption.

[edit on 5-2-2006 by Excitable_Boy]



posted on Feb, 5 2006 @ 01:41 PM
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So do you disagree with organized religion or religion in general? Because there is a world of difference there.



posted on Feb, 5 2006 @ 03:36 PM
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So do you disagree with organized religion or religion in general? Because there is a world of difference there.


There is no difference. I have faith. I believe all religion is bad. Organized religion? As opposed to what, unorganized religion? Name one religion that isn't organized. Once a belief becomes a religion, it is, thus, organized.



posted on Feb, 5 2006 @ 03:58 PM
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The Mormon conspiricy to convert the world?????? I think we need to define just what a conspiricy is here. If it is an up front and stated goal of the organization, its not a conspiricy. I don't think they would make any objection what-so-ever to someone asking if they would convert all of mankind if they could. The answer would be YES!

Conspiricy implies they are being sneaky and underhanded which they are not.

This is NOT a conspiricy but an upfront and stated goal of the cult..errr, I mean religion.

The conspiricy here would be religion itself. ALL religions are brainwashing cults that wish to subdue the human spirit. ALL religion enslave the soul of mankind and are a burden to be overcome.

Free the chains from your mind and the chains on your soul will melt away.

Love and light my friends,

Wupy



posted on Feb, 5 2006 @ 06:46 PM
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Jadette,

I grew up in the Bible Belt. The "majority" will almost always attempt to Tyrannize the minority.

In a Neighboring Town. it’s a fight between the Catholics and Mormons for County Council. (And Then watch Locally taxed, Building funds be used to build a Mormon “youth center”, or Catholic “school”.)

And agnostics are Not prone to power plays as well. From Banning a Nativity scene or Youth Group after “school”.

Power corrupts, And Absolute Power Corrupts Even the most Saintly Man. Religion, like any ideology is an excuse to Gain “power” at the expense of others.

And You wonder why “Jesus” stressed “let the greater among you become like the younger, and the one who rules like one who serves ”. B’Rit Hadashah



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 03:35 AM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
I'll agree that such things should kept out of Scouts, that's for sure.




Sorry to quote you about the scouts comment, but I can't find the original post about how a person has to join the Mormon Church to be a member of the scouts.

I was in the Boy Scouts for about a year, and our meetings were indeed held at the Mormon church, but I was not asked one single time to join the church, or asked if I would be intrested in learning more or anything like that.

The kicker to this story is that our Scout master (leader) was the Mormon Bishop at the church we went to for our scout meetings.

So to the original poster that said you had to join the church to attend scouts needs to check his facts because that statement is a blatent lie.

I am guessing the post came from one of the banned members so I guess I don't know what I was expecting.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 04:28 PM
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bpletcj:

Well, I doubt it's policy, but I know from experience that there are some Boy Scout troops where the Mormon Church becomes an issue. If you read a few posts above, I mentioned my brother's experience with them when we were young.

And msnevil, I agree, what you say is true about majorities. I suppose in this regard the Mormon Church is no better or worse than many others.



posted on Feb, 6 2006 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by SonofSpy
From what I understand its some nutty cult some guy started in the 1800s in order to have multiple wives. Ive tried to study it. In the end it seems to be all about having multiple sex partners. Im not trying to convey hate here. I dont hate Mormons. I just think the religion is bizarre to say the least.

My ancestors could have mutiple wives like if your wive's sister's husband died you could have her as a wive, but aside from the obvious pluses the husband had to hunt more to support both his families,so it's just not all fun and games, at least not in the Sioux culture, so I'm not entirely sure about the Mormons I would suspect that they follow the same kind of guidelines.



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by Jadette
bpletcj:

Well, I doubt it's policy, but I know from experience that there are some Boy Scout troops where the Mormon Church becomes an issue. If you read a few posts above, I mentioned my brother's experience with them when we were young.




I see, but just because one church used there boy scout program as a recruiting tool, and wouldn't let you join because you were not a member does not mean all are like that. If that were the case then all Catholic prest would be child molesters but thank goodness they are not.

I don't blame you for holding a grudge though, if it were to happen to me I would be upset too.

A side note though, incase you all didn't know the Mormons are the only ones allowed into heaven (according to South Park)



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by Zabilgy
- Over sixty thousand fully-trained


The Missionary Training Center in Provo, UT has a three-week training course for missionaries before they are sent out. Ten weeks if you have to learn a foreign language. Fully trained? You get lightly trained so that you can figure it out for yourself when you get out there. The two years that the missionary spends in service is just as much as a learning experience for him as it is for anyone he teaches. There are some days when those guys would rather stay in bed - but they get up and deal with it anyway.


Originally posted by Zabilgy
adequately financed and prepared Mormon missionaries are serving in all parts of the United States and in over 124 countries around the world.


Mormon Church policy is that the missionaries and their families pay for their own missions. All missionaries pay the same amount regardless of where they are sent. Families which cannot afford to do this receive financial help from funds donated by other members specifically for that purpose.


Originally posted by Zabilgy
- Many Mormon men have been hired by the FBI, a preponderance when considering their proportion to the percentage of the population.


Yep, that's true. The Mormon Church has a code of health referred to as "The Word of Wisdom" which prohibits the use of tobacco, tea, coffee, alcohol, and drugs. Caffiene is not explicitly listed, but is cautioned against by Church Leaders. The FBI finds that practicing Mormons have an easier time meeting the requirements of a drug-free past. Also, one of the core principles of the Mormon faith is devotion to one's country and leaders and the upholding of the law. The FBI tends to appreciate that.


Originally posted by Zabilgy
When they arrive (the free stuff ordered off TV), they come with two Mormon missionaries “attached,” wanting an appointment to talk to families.


Well, DUH. When you call that number on TV, it goes to the center where the missionaries are being trained. They tell you on the phone that representitives will deliver it. If you don't want them to talk to you when you get there, just say so.


Originally posted by Zabilgy
- In states with a high concentration of Mormon Churches, non-Mormon boys who want to participate in Boy Scout activities often must join the Mormon Church sponsored group. In these areas the Boy Scout troops become important recruiting prospects for the church. Because the Boy Scouts have a “God and Country” award for those performing their duties well, it connects Scouts with a religion, and thus Scout programs become also an important proselytizing and indoctrination tool for the church.


A flat-out blatant lie. I am a Mormon Cubmaster, and there are non-Mormon boys that take part in the meetings I conduct. We open and close with a prayer, but that is as religious as it gets. In fact, the kids say the prayer, which is about a long as "Please let us have a good time and not get hurt and please bless the punch and cookies Amen." As for the religious awards, there is a wide array of religious affiliations you can choose from. If you're not Mormon, you won't be forced to pick the Mormon Option.


Originally posted by Zabilgy
- Just as the United States Army has its military academy, and the United States Air Force has the Air Force academy, the Mormon Church has Brigham Young University for training its future leaders.


Riiiiiight... and everyone that goes to Notre Dame is in line to become the next Pope. It's a Univeristy like any other. There is a requirement to receive religions endorsement... FROM ANY RELIGIOUS LEADER FROM ANY RELIGION THAT YOU CHOOSE. You are required to take a religion class every semester... ABOUT ANY RELIGION THAT YOU WANT.

OF ALL THE MORMON CHURCH LEADERS THAT WENT TO SCHOOL IN UTAH, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH, THE RIVAL OF BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY.


Originally posted by Zabilgy
What better way could be found to provide for the thousands of leaders for the Mormon Church than to give them a low cost education which not only ensures further indoctrination into church teachings and beliefs, but also provides students with a lifetime comfortable income?


BYU is not cheap, buddy. You don't have to study Mormon theology while you are there. You can study Greek Mythology or Zoroastrianism for all they care.


Originally posted by Zabilgy
And ten percent of this income will be funneled back into the church to pay for continued proselytizing and expansion of the church, all controlled by a handful of men, the General authorities.


Mostly true. There is a specific groups which handles Church funds, and it gets reviewed by the required third-party auditing groups on a regular basis.


Originally posted by Zabilgy
And the Mormon Church hierarchy’s indoctrination program is having outstanding success, for according to a BYU survey of its students, 98 percent believe in Joseph Smith as a Prophet and 98 percent believe that the Mormon Church is divine, the “Only true Church on the face of the whole earth.” In addition, 88 percent would “place obedience to authority above your own personal preferences.”


If you don't think something is THE truth, then why become a part of it? Why waste your time, money and energy? What would be the point? As far as placing authority above personal preferences... well I would LOOOOOVE to go around and have drunken threesomes with hot strippers, believe me. But I don't because I place my obedience to the authority of God.



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 06:26 PM
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Hey Wonder Llama...you're pretty good at arguing with a banned member. How is he supposed to reply back to you?

Wanna debate with someone that can reply back to you?



I would LOOOOOVE to go around and have drunken threesomes with hot strippers, believe me


I think the church elders would have a problem with this type of thinking and lusting. "Don't judge lest ye be judged."

Peace!



posted on Feb, 7 2006 @ 07:48 PM
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wait...what's wrong with drunken threesomes with strippers?



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by Excitable_Boy
Hey Wonder Llama...you're pretty good at arguing with a banned member. How is he supposed to reply back to you?

Wanna debate with someone that can reply back to you?



I would LOOOOOVE to go around and have drunken threesomes with hot strippers, believe me


I think the church elders would have a problem with this type of thinking and lusting. "Don't judge lest ye be judged."

Peace!


I never checked to see if he was banned. I just read the accusations and gave my rebuttal, not necessarily to him, but so everyone on the board could hear me. As far as the drunken stripper orgy comment... well, I was trying to make an example of supressing the urges of the body to the will of the spirit, but I agree with you - I think I took it too far. My bad.

Anyway, I stand by the rest of my statement. The accusations were unfounded.



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by msnevil
That Mormons want to convert the World. And so does the rest of the World Religions. (No conspiracy here.)
So all Marriages outside the Mormon Temple are Not "Blessed" by the Heavenly Father. And as such, The marriages are only "Worldly". And at the time of Death is Revoked. (And then the "single person" is demoted to "angelic status". To serve other Temple Married couples.)

So All Non Mormons are Revoked from Being "Gods and Goddesses" over Worlds.

Why Is this doctrine Not taught openly? (Is the conspiracy.)


It is taught openly. Missionaries teach it. The Doctrine and Covenants is sitting in every Mormon household - It's not at some Top Secret Mormon Library Archive.



Adam is God


There are a few Mormons who have tinkered with lots of wierd ideas, only to be fully trounced by anyone else in the Church with their head solidly on their shoulders. Some people say that Joseph Smith or Brigham Young taught this, but most of it comes from ones quote which has been severely taken out of context by people. It is OFFICIAL Mormon Theology that God (Eloheim), Jesus (Jehovah) and Adam (Michael the Archangel) created the Earth together, as THREE SEPARATE BEINGS.

Adam is our physical first father only in the same way our current fathers are our dads. He is our great great great (etc) granddaddy, but not much else. And, no, Mormons do not consider him to be the Holy Ghost either.



The Mormons, Much like the Jehovah Witness's have a Temple Hierarchy That mandates doctrinal Truth's. So if Green becomes Blue, Then Green is Blue. And it makes perfect sense to a temple Follower. While the Worldly person states “it‘s Foolish.” This is a process of a Group "think" mind and any deviancy is outside the truth's of Revelation. And is heresy. (This is a over simplification of a Societal based Religious propaganda. Which other Religions\ideologies\Cultures use as well.)


Quite wrong. In fact, this doesn't even make sense as far as the English language is concerned. Just so you know, everything taught inside the Mormon Temples is taught before you enter them. If you were to go in there expecting a big old surprise, you'd walk out later thinking "boy, that was so anti-climactic... I wonder how I can get back those two hours of my life."

[edit on 11-2-2006 by Ralph_The_Wonder_Llama]



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 01:19 AM
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Originally posted by saint4God
Revelation 22:18 "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from him his share the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." So, why was the Bible changed again?


I guess St. John is going to hell since The Gospel According to John was written after The Revelation.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the Bible was not written like a novel. It is a collection of a bunch of books. The Old Testament is the only part of the Bible that is close to being considered chronological.

The New Testament is organized by... well nothing. They stuck the Gospels at the front because they talked about the life and teachings of Jesus, followed by the Acts of the Apostles. Then come the epistles, and then the Revelation as a dramatic close.

And the Epistles of Paul are organized from longest in length to shortest. Except for Hebrews - nobody is absolutely sure if Paul even wrote it. The Catholics don't know, the Protestants don't know, neither do the Presbetyrians, Baptists, Methodists, Born-Agains, Televangelists, etc. and yet all of them claim that every single word in the Bible has been preserved since they day it was written, and that if you don't believe every single word is true then you are the Devil.

I love John 3:16. All you have to do is accept Jesus, and you can still keep killing babies and raping 13-year-old girls, and you are still going to heaven. The sole belief that Jesus will save you because you believe in him is the best news ever!



posted on Feb, 11 2006 @ 07:14 AM
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I love John 3:16. All you have to do is accept Jesus, and you can still keep killing babies and raping 13-year-old girls, and you are still going to heaven. The sole belief that Jesus will save you because you believe in him is the best news ever!


So you believe in killing babies and raping children? You are a psycopath and need help. If I were you, I would put yourself away in an institution before you hurt someone, if you haven't already.

This statement of yours is probably the most disturbing statement i have ever read from a poster on this site! Shame on you! Please, get help!



posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 10:13 PM
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ok c'mon everybody we all know organized religion of any kind is a way to control a group of people so that you or whomever wants to be their leaders, can get at their money and minds.



posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 10:45 PM
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I am a excommunicated mormon.

The church its self is not bad just the leadership in some areas.

I still don't know who instigated my excommunication.

All i know is that i was not involved and had no knowage of what i was excommunicated for I was not even in town. I was working at a construction site about 150 miles away and had two local Mormons that lived there that back me being on the job site and worked with me that day.
the leadership of my ward completely ignored this information.

I have not looked back and will no longer talk or do any business with the people involved

I am now a Deist
www.deism.com...



posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 11:11 PM
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You did a good job of explaining the questions about the Mormon church. I applaud you.

Mormons are often ridiculed or berated, but I personally think it is unfair. I don't think that 99% of the Mormons really know christianity and how it compares to their church, which is, ironically, named after Jesus Christ.

I was a Mormon Bishop several decades ago. I left the church when I compared the teachings to the Bible. Now, my family helped found the Mormon church in the mid-1800s, and I wouldn't be here if it weren't for polygamy, but I have to tell you the doctrine of the Mormon church is not christian.

That being said, they do present a higher moral value to live up to, and a standard for clean living that would be good for all of us to abide by.

My brother is still a Mormon, unfortunately, and he is unwilling to change, even though he knows the teachings are wrong because he has such a large circle of life-long friends and loves the way of life. He would never tell the church that he doesn't believe it, so he pays his tithing and attends church like he should. He is a church leader in a large city. His lineage, however, has been destroyed. He has no children of his own. I, on the other hand, have 18 descendents and counting. I am not bragging, and to many this may seem coincidental, but who knows?

With the exception of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, and the polygamy, the Mormons are living a very godly lifestyle, and should be admired for that.

However, they do not believe in the Trinity, and their conception of who Jesus is is not correct. He is regarded as a creature, rather than the creator.



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