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reply posted on 8-4-2005 @ 12:28 PM by pao
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reply posted on 11-4-2005 @ 12:58 AM by lmgnyc
Originally posted by Event Horizon
You talk as if you’re going to wake up one day and not have these things. It’s not going to be like that. It will be a slow process were things continue to just get higher and higher until the average person cannot afford it. Then the tasks that you speak of will get accomplished out of necessity. People have done extraordinary things out of necessity and I don’t see why this will be any different. BTW, everything you mentioned can be made or done manually, with the exception of making fuel(gasoline) and lubrications.


Because declining supply is now perceived to be the market reality (whether we are at peak oil or not), oil prices are expected to continue to trend upward, and the level where the average person will no longer be able to afford to buy basic things is not that far off. It could be as early as five or ten years. There is no way, even if an emergency was declared today--that alternatives could be invented for all necessary products in time to have an impact on oil demand.

The suggestion that "manual" or alternative processes can replace petroleum dependency is unrealistic. It isn't about just conserving and becoming less materialistic--its not like 7 billion people can just live more simple lives and the problem is solved. Oil has become like oxygen--to disentangle it from our lives is to erase the industrial and technological revolution from history. You can't put that toothpaste back in the tube--you can't feed, clothe, keep healthy, and organize cities of millions of people without industry and technology, and you can't do those things without oil.

Everything is derivative of petroleum products--from the medications we take, the houses we live in, the clothes we wear, the computers we use, processes to purify water, even to make alternative energy--to convert to manual processes, millions of people will die, even if it happens gradually. Without the oil-based inventions that have been created in the past 100 years, the inability to maintain sanitary conditions will cause widespread disease. The lack of pharmaceuticals and access to advanced medical care will cause early death. Inability to transport and produce food will cause mass famines. The population of the planet will be significantly reduced--it is no wonder why the U.S. is literally fighting to control as much of the oil resources as possible.

I would say that it is unlikely that the public is going to have any say when it comes time to implement drastic plans. The government has put every precaution in place to ensure that they have the ability to suspend all personal freedoms and silence the media in emergency situations. You can be sure that when millions of Americans are living in the dark, going hungry, and dying of simple illness, you can be assured that marshall law will be declared, FEMA will take over, and that will be the end of our democracy as we know it.


reply posted on 11-4-2005 @ 05:42 AM by InTuneToDoom
Modern society will have a difficult time dealing with it.


Yeah, I believe the worlds population is projected to be reduced to 2.2bn, that's a difficult time!

I appreciate what you are saying but I have to agree with intrigue. If people and espically governments prepare for the coming crisis then yes, I imagine there will be in a sense, a smooth (ish) transition from the petroleum age to something else, what that else will be, nobody knows! Well I don't anyway.

However, at the moment this is not happening, people are not aware of 'peak-oil' - they simply don't care because it hasen't happened yet. There are elections in the UK at the moment, no parties have addressed 'peak-oil' in their manifesto, the Green parties' solution for the energy crisis / global warming is to phase out nuclear power - they don't have a clue and they are representing the environmentally aware. We are currently widening motorways, enlarging airports, spending millions of pounds on frankly, absolute rubbish - when we hit the threshold and we will, we won't be able to fuel any planes or cars. Instead the government (UK) should be planning ahead, environment should top of the agenda, we should be researching more efficient combustion engines, improving public transport, raising road tax, etc. It's not happening at the moment and it never will happen, this is why we will be utterly screwed!

Lastly, the contention that 'peak-oil' stems from NWO is ridiculus - the links are tenuous at best but I guess it's fun trying to link it all together with some conspiracy rubbish. I do however, believe that there is a selfish interest by certain players in the petroluem industry to profit out of the forthcoming crisis and for obvious reasons, oil companies won't declare a crisis as their stocks will plummet. There are tonnes of political implications tied with peak-oil, I reckon if you think about them logically you'll come to an answer that doesn't involve NWO, and sinister cigarette smoking men
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