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Archaeologist finds 7,200 year old pornography

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posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 09:32 AM
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Archaeologist Dr Stäuble has found what could be the oldest pornography in the world. In his recent discovery, he unearthed a classic phallic clay statue of a man in an unusual position. About a month later he unearthed the matching piece of the clay statue of a woman copulating with the man.



Archaeologist finds 'oldest porn statue'
Stone-age figurines depicting what could be the oldest pornographic scene in the world have been unearthed in Germany.
Archaeologists have discovered what they believe to be the 7,200-year-old remnants of a man having intercourse with a woman.

The extraordinary find, at an archaeological dig in Saxony, shatters the belief that sex was a taboo subject in that era.

Until now, the oldest representations of sexual scenes were frescos from about 2,000 years ago.
www.guardian.co.uk...


These figures are not the stylistic phallic and mother goddess figures that we have seen before but are modelled to be realistic. This discovery is going to open the gates on the discussion of whether sex is really as taboo as our society plays it out to be.




posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by Simulacra
These figures are not the stylistic phallic and mother goddess figures that we have seen before but are modelled to be realistic. This discovery is going to open the gates on the discussion of whether sex is really as taboo as our society plays it out to be.

Our society has ever claimed sex to be taboo in the past? On the contrary, everything seems to be focused around it



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 09:56 AM
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Okay, that's one of the ...err... dirty little secrets of archaeology. There's ALL sorts of ancient pornography around. There's a surprising number of rock art sites that are pornographic (and authentically ancient) here in the US.

What we don't know is what people's attitudes were towards sex. In societies where there was writing, we have a much better idea of how they may have treated it -- including societies where it was mostly "underground" but available. In some societies, there were sacred couplings in temples that had religious significance.

It's hard to piece these things together, and sometimes we assume that eveyrone had the Victorian attitude (very prudish.) So this is an interesting find and indicates that they may not have been real prudes about sex, although it takes more than just one statue to make the case for it.



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 11:21 AM
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Good find Simulacra!!


I can't find any other news stories on this. I was wondering if the statues were really as graphic as they suggest, or if there are simply no pictures, yet. I hope they are not being censored, that's just silly. Yeah, and who knows why the statues were created? Art? Ritual? No purpose at all?

[edit on 4/7/05 by poonchang]



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 11:25 AM
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Well I agree that figures depicting the sexual act as a mean of reproduction has been around.

One of the reason is that in ancient times natural reproduction and fertility was the only way to the survival of the species.

Perhaps they had a school of some sort to teach the rest the proper way to fertilized.



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 12:52 PM
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Actually Marg, they did.

Prostitution has devolved ( lack of a better word) into what it is today.

Used to be a Sacred act, with prositututes an avenue to be closer to God. Sex was a Holy act, to unite yourself with Nature, and the forces that make up the Universe. This is going back many thousands of years, but this was the way things were. Then the patriarchal society came into being, and its been downhill ever since..



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by toolmaker
Actually Marg, they did.



Yes you are right, I love the way it was in ancient times when women was considered sacred because it could bring life.

You are right if is something I can never forget Christianity for, is how women was relegated to the evil of all mankind with the creation myth and the original sin.



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 01:16 PM
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pics pics pics! as its porn



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by tomcat ha
pics pics pics! as its porn

hehehe! yeah, where are the pics, this sounds hot, "stoned people doing it!"

The beginning of civilization: Babylon was a matriarchy, the priestesses and handmaidens of the temples performed sexual services for the faithful.

I imagine if one were to get ordained and open a church based on the ancient Babylonian religion "prostituition" could be protected by freedom of religion.



posted on Apr, 7 2005 @ 02:54 PM
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i remember watching the discovery channel, and they had discovered the earliest brothel/strip club and they knew this because there was a big stelagmite sticking out of the ground and it looked like a penis. seriously this is no joke.



posted on Apr, 8 2005 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by Legalizer

Originally posted by tomcat ha
pics pics pics! as its porn

hehehe! yeah, where are the pics, this sounds hot, "stoned people doing it!"

The beginning of civilization: Babylon was a matriarchy, the priestesses and handmaidens of the temples performed sexual services for the faithful.

I imagine if one were to get ordained and open a church based on the ancient Babylonian religion "prostituition" could be protected by freedom of religion.



You beat me to the punch. Babylon was a very sexually charged society. But the potential of a church rising from the ancient Babylon religion is very doubtful. Considering the Chaldean decendents of Babylon are Catholic.



posted on Apr, 8 2005 @ 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by junior_smith
i remember watching the discovery channel, and they had discovered the earliest brothel/strip club and they knew this because there was a big stelagmite sticking out of the ground and it looked like a penis. seriously this is no joke.


Isn't there a whole civilization somewhere who post giant penises outside their homes so that the evil female spirits who would seduce men in their sleep get distracted? Maybe this is just one of those kind of penises



posted on Apr, 8 2005 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Yes you are right, I love the way it was in ancient times when women was considered sacred because it could bring life.

You are right if is something I can never forget Christianity for, is how women was relegated to the evil of all mankind with the creation myth and the original sin.


Don't blame only Christianity. There were many cultures before and after, where woman were not free - China (completely patriarchalistic society), Israel (judaistic society), Greece (especially Athenians), Rome (there was some freedom, but it was mostly later durign emperors time), Persia (women treated much like todays muslim womans - harems etc.).
Actually the only nations with some woman freedom were Etruscans (northern Italy), some woman freedom could be found in Egypt, Babylonia and Lydia.



posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 07:57 PM
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Byrd is correct.
There is much in archeology that is or cannot be shown to the general public and definitely not published in National Geographic. Certain features or characteristics that are of the ancient Mystery religions is somewhat secret even today and not for the consumption of the general public.
However if you read certain texts you can understand the pattern of what these ancient peoples believed about the seasons and fertility surrounding the seasons. They did not call them fertility religions for no reason. Nevertheless alot of these findings will not be found in National Geographic or public museums or the dots connected for the consumption of the general public.
Historically alot of this fertility conduct died off or changed its form for survival into modern times. Some of it is making a comeback today..often in changed form. It is still based on ancient forms.
One more thing...for someone to blame christianity for this trend in putting women down is ignorance personified. It is in Christian based nations today where women enjoy the best the world has to offer and these women in these nations live better than in other primarily pagan nations.I will never buy into this type of "victimhood". Many cultures put women in second class positions and these nations were primarily pagan. The chinese come to mind. How about the Muslims. People who take this tack are very provincial in thier knowlege of history and civilizations. Orangetom



posted on Apr, 10 2005 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by tomcat ha
pics pics pics! as its porn


From the German porn Ive seen, I dont think youd want to.



Okay how are women not free christianity?



posted on Apr, 11 2005 @ 05:00 PM
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In the ancient mystery religions sex as a pattern of sun worship...or even moon worship was considered sacred ..after the pattern of the heavens the times and seasons. This worship of the heavens and seasons took different forms in different cultures. The sun was considered male and the moon female. Gold for the sun and silver for the moon. Silver people are cosidered night creatures verses gold people.
You dont have to teach a person how to get "fertilized " properly. One has to go to school to get that dumb. Only education can dumb a person down that much. I dont think the billions and billions of people on this planet are evidence of not knowing how to get fertilized properly. Just look at Africa , India , and China. You have to be educated into following the pattern of the ancient mystery religions and do it properly without knowing you are doing it.

"Yes you are right, I love the way it was in ancient times when women was considered sacred because it could bring life. "

"You are right if is something I can never forget Christianity for, is how women was relegated to the evil of all mankind with the creation myth and the original sin. "

This above quote is about as dumb as it gets. Women in western civilizations are considered sacred..in many ways not known by the averge woman or man. Walk into any department store..on the average there are seven times more personal items for sale to women than men. This means seven times more floorspace.This is because both women and men buy for women...not women buying for men. Get a clue. This is not a down trodden victimized group..women. Only education can get one so dumb that they dont catch it.
Walk through the checkout stands at any grocery store..convenience store .or even the local Wal-mart and check out the titles and subtitles on the magazines. Redbook..Elle..Cosmopolitan. "20 sex secrets to drive him wild"!! "How to lose 20 pounds in two days without really trying" Does
Thisound like the pattern of the ancients and fertility.?? Do you think they were not doing something similar in the times of the ancents and in the schools of the day, in the m arketplaces.??
Walk into any auto dealer and ask the salespersons ..who is the number one determiner of what type of auto is purchased?? Male or females??
My point is ...do not be enamoured of a matriarcial society or fertility practices. These women of today ...no matter how educated will not do the work and sacrafices necessary to keep the civilization going either in construction or maintainence. To do this requires real commitments ...not fertility. Do not ever get so dumbed down as to think that in a matriacial society ..that the men will ever be the recipients of the love and production levels of the matriarchs. Wont happen...their consumption levels are to high verses the production levels. The facts of history often overlooked are that the willingness of the m ale to produce goods and services for the female and the children ...are what drives our civilization and makes the women and children the benificarys of their love and sacrafices. You do not socially find this the other way around. Socially women will not sacrafice as a career for men. It just isnt done....no matter how educated they are.
This stuff about how great the ancient mystery religions were and how down trodden it is today..is total rubbish...and carte blanche ignorance.
Many of these nations were sacraficing their children...the first borns..especially ..no wonder they had to invest in fertility. People ought to be smarter than this. We are not bee hive people worshiping the Queen Bees and are not a people enamoured of Royalty. There is nothing great about it. It is ignorance!! Orangetom



posted on Apr, 16 2005 @ 03:55 AM
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Sad as it is, I have to agree (to a degree). Even today (heck, especially today!) there are so many women who exist without a single practical skill or thought in thier heads who seem to scrape by in the world, maybe due to thier chests or their legs or whatever.

Sex as a commodity sells, and those who are the most "desirable" will likewise spawn the next generation, each new batch of children more damaged than the last... because their daddies are always gone and their trophy mothers are incapable of coherent thought.

Working as a tutor for the past three years at a college with extremely high Freshman turnover, I have to say that out of the top five dumbest college students I have ever met, four of them were female.

The problem is, the stupid people are outbreeding the rest of us (cos' they're easy and "cute"). All those magazines you mentioned promote the idea that a good woman is one who applies her makeup perfectly, works a job, throws her devil-spawn (children) in daycare and generally just takes charge of all of the really stupid, pointless things in life. Like botox. Or laser hair removal.

Honestly, women wouldn't do any better running the world than the men are doing right now. They'd just destroy the world with petty bickering instead of bombs.



posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 12:07 AM
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Thanks for your viewpoint. Usually when I post something like that the women flack quickly and vehemently and it sometimes detiorates to labeling and namecalling but never debating the points I make to prove them false.

I agree..as a tutor you are in the exact place to see that of which I speak.

It is very sad to me to see a generation who do not know much about their nation , their history....any history for that manner...or their lineage. They can and do ,however, define themselves ..male and female ..by thier consumption levels and the products they consume. What a waste.
They are wonderful predictable controlable consumers but often empty in most other arenas.

Not to be to down on them, however, as I occasionally meet a handful who have somehow escaped this virus and can actually muse ..not amuse. So refreshing to meet a young person like this who actually knows some facts..not standard issue drivel that sometimes passes for excellence.

The world of women is very highly merchandized ..without many even knowing or realizing it...they think it is normal. It is not!!
However ..I will warn you ..that the first time I picked up a copy of "Maxim" magazine..I realized quickly that it is a male "Cosmopolitan " magazine. So they are finally getting round to getting the unthinking glandular males on the same tredmill. What a awful magazine..just awful. It does however breed the thinking necessary for a generation of excellent unthinking male consumers. STylers and profilers....not necessary males with any real useful skills..just consumption levels.

I get alot of these new generation males in my line of work ..Shipbuilding. They are in for a shock many of them. They are highly skilled at video games and dialing a phone for hours on end. We do our best to increase thier attention span in other areas or get rid of them ...quickly before they hurt or kill us.

Thanks for a great post Orangetom



posted on Apr, 17 2005 @ 12:09 AM
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What I described to you tech Goddess..in my last post ..is in fact pornographic...it is obscene. Orangetom.



posted on Apr, 18 2005 @ 11:24 PM
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Pics or Stfu


I don't believe guys didn't want to always stare at womans danger zones back then.



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