posted on May, 19 2004 @ 03:30 AM
Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
You did bring up a lot of good points, seekerof. But I think my cobra manuever mention was misunderstood.
I mainly brought that point up to show that Russian fighters are just that agile. Like somebody said, those fighters can almost turn on their tails.
Think an F-15C can do that?
It's good to hear there was no Russian bashing involved in your comments. I'll leave it at that.
But on a slightly different note, the Russian Air Force would lose to the U.S. Air Force. Not because they have inferior forces, but because
technically, there is not Russian Air Force. It's so disorganized it's like a mercenary force.
I have my doubts as to whether "supermaneuverability" is all that useful in modern combat. The '91 gulf war showed that against an unprepared foe,
BVR missiles are unstoppable.
The combination of AWACS and long range missile can be very effective, yet there's always the risk of a swarm of [low
altitude|stealth|justplainfocusedanddeadly] fighters busting through the fighter screen, taking down the AWACS and then proceeding to own the
"superior" fighters in a dirty knife fight. To do this, one must (1) be willing to take losses (2) fight unconventionally.
MiGs in Vietnam had a tactic of "bushwhacking" Thuds by hiding low under the tropical cloudcover and popping up unexpectedly with guns and IR
missiles at close range.. Escorting F-4 Phantoms had neither the range nor the lookdown/shootdown to combat the bushwhackers.
I really like the F-22 and have a great deal of respect and admiration for stealth and BVR missiles, however, every war in history has shown that
unconventional tactics can give you an edge.
The longer Russia keeps pushing "supermaneiverability", the more conventional it will become. In conflicts where the USA/NATO/CIS is not involved,
it's going to be a plain old slugfest between (mostly) equaly equpped 3rd world combatants. As things stand right now, India would kick Pakinstan's
butt in a straight nuclear/conventional battle. Pakistan needs to either (1) get a more formidiable army or (2) get better WMD's. A handful of
nukes just doesn't cut it these days.