Originally posted by RedHare
This is what I called manipuilation. Where did I say that I support Chinese government of killing their own people?
Where did I accuse you of supporting it? I accussed you of attempting to morally differentiate it from what the Japanese did (which was evil) and thus
of understating the evil of Chinese deeds. My inferences are perfectly logical. They may not demonstrate your conscious intent, but they demonstrate
the logical end of your arguement, and thus its inherent weakness.
Yes, I am trying heavily to draw a distiction between Chinese government and Japanes invasion simply because this is not about Chinese
government. If you open a thread about that I'll happily visit you there.
Ah, but I would contend that it is, in part, about the Chinese. The Chinese were the victims. The Chinese are the ones who continue to hold the
grudge. The Chinese are an integral component of this situation. Now, when we discuss the morals applying to this subject we must test them by
applying them to all sides. To remove the Chinese is to remove an important instrument of context whereby the question can be tested.
Specifically, we must ask ourselves, if what Japan has done is so damnably wrong, irreparable, and unforgiveable, must not China's transgressions be
seen in the same light? The answer can only be that China can not hate China- they must live with themselves and therefore they must move on and make
progress rather than living in memory of hatred. That answer would also be applicable to China-Japan. They must live with eachother. They must move
Please remind me which of my words suggested that I wished an ongoing war between China and Japan like Israel and Palestine?
Please remind me which of my words suggested that I thought you wished such a thing. I posed a rhetorical question designed to illustrate that for
people like you to continue to hold a grudge of hate based on events that happened generations ago will cause the state of affairs between China and
Japan will become like those between Israel and Palestine. So I ask you again, do you wish for that to happen, or would you prefer to move forward
rather than dwelling on the past?
All I ask is an apology to all the victims and their families and appeasement to those grannies whose lives they ruined.
I posted a link to 36 such apologies.
And Yes, they deserve a proper compensation for it. This is what I want. Simple direct justice.
Deserve isn't the issue. Entitlement is the issue. What people "deserve" and what people can have are almost always different in this world. We do
not live in a Utopia, or even a remotely just world. This world is run by those who win wars. Japan beat China, Russia and America beat Japan. Japan
is under no obligation to pay China anything. They have fulfilled the terms of surrender. It would be very nice of them to pay up, but it's not going
to happen. Now China has a decision to make. They can maintain their demand that Japan compensate for something so horrible it could never be
compensated, and they can harbor that hate until it starts yet another war (and I suggest that China keep in mind that their huge population has never
been enough to save them from Japan in the past) or they can get over it and try to accept the fact that what is done is done and can never be
I dont think you are following Asian news very well. The statement of someone apologizing you have above is nothing but a joke. They often make
statements like that only to deny it the next day. What's the point you ask me? Dunno.
That's easily said, but you have presented no sources what so ever. Show me the quote where Koizumi took back that apology. The problem here is that
people are looking for Japan to say some magic words to change something that can never be changed.
Listen carefully- They invaded you, they whooped you, it was very wrong. Nothing can ever take away from how awful it was. Now get through with your
little pity party. Either declare war on Japan or accept their apology and try to build a future together.
If somebody beats you up, you either go back and kick their butt back or you let it go. You don't spend the next 100 years asking them to say sorry.
I am not asking any award money or anything like that and I didnt say, so.
OK, so maybe you should clarify exactly what you mean by "appeasements". What do you want the Japanese to do that will somehow magically make up for
all the horrible things that went on? There is NOTHING they can say or do that will undo the past. There is NOTHING they can say or do that will kill
the hate inside of you until YOU CHOOSE to let that hate die. Until you do so, the pain the Japanese inflicted on your people will live forever, and
it will be part your fault.
Yes, you can call me a hate-monger, if ther is a legitimate reason to hate, why not?
Because all fo the things that the Japanese did to your parents and your people were the result of hate. It will all just happen to somebody else some
other time all over again if you don't grow up.
Vagabond, say anything you want just dont twist my words again.
Examining the logical conclusions of your words is not twisting them. You make no secret of the fact that you are full of hate and bitterness and that
you have no concern for the fact that your attitude may help the same attrocities to occur all over again some day. That's not twisting your words in
the least, that's merely examining where they lead and thereby exposing their flaws.
Please keep in mind. A thousand year old crime is still a crime.
Actually the truth or falsity of this depends very much on phrasing. To say "A thousand year old crime still IS a crime" is false. To make it true,
you would say, "A thousand year old crime still WAS a crime". The difference is that it is in the past. It's gone. it can't hurt anybody else ever
again. The crime now is hatred, dwelling on the past, refusing to make peace. That's what is hurting people now. How is it that Marines who fought
the Japanese have managed to make peace with their former adversaries despite the attrocities they comitted to one another? Because it's in the past
for them. It can't hurt them ever again. The only thing that could hurt them now would be if they were foolish enough to carry that hate and spend
the rest of their lives still fighting a war that was already over.