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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
I think the Soviet collapse was a ploy actually. It allowed Russia to centralize their power, slash their spending on social maintenance, and consolidate power away from the unstable buffer states. This is likely another false alarm, a sort of test to see what happens, perhaps a decoy to embolden Russia's enemies to identify and expediate their elimination.
I'd be really surprised if the Russian state collapsed for real, it just seems like they have too many resources, too much power, and too many lucrative contracts. They've got a hell of a lot of oil, and a lot of very good weapons systems for export to places like China, Venezuela, India, and other states.
So, yeah, it's probably a ploy. We'll see how it all plays out though.
Additionally, McGinnis said the United States has, for more than a decade, engaged in a huge program of cooperation with the states of the former Soviet Union to address the "threat posed by the Cold War legacy of WMD [weapons of mass destruction] programs." That program, which has to date been allocated a total of $8 billion -- with another $1 billion requested for fiscal year 2004 -- has helped to eliminate about 900 ballistic missiles, more than a hundred bombers and almost 50 ballistic submarines. Furthermore, it has redirected the efforts and skill of thousands of scientists formerly involved in WMD activities into civilian programs, he said.
The amount of U.S. Government-funded humanitarian assistance being provided to Russia peaked at more than $1.1 billion in FY 1999 but declined to about a quarter-million dollars in FY 2004. This assistance has included the provision of food commodities by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and medical and other humanitarian commodities provided by the Department of State Humanitarian Transport Program.
Originally posted by the_oleneo
Joel Skousen would agree with you. He thinks the collapse of the Soviet Union was a carefully planned deception: www.joelskousen.com...
A very intriguing viewpoint.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
I think the Soviet collapse was a ploy actually. It allowed Russia to centralize their power, slash their spending on social maintenance, and consolidate power away from the unstable buffer states.
Originally posted by Aelita
would you care to elaborate what was the grand master plan of the cunning Kremlin deceptors? I might be missing something here. What exactly cause they promote by starving their military to death, losing the geopolitical game -- with the NATO and US military bases close to the heartland, and plunging their popluation into misery? What kind of gambit is that? I'm just curious. For one, I would love to believe there was a clever plan.
[edit on 5-4-2005 by Aelita]
Nagorno-Karabag: A Case Study in "Perestroika"
by Dennis R. Papazian, Ph.D.
Dr. Dennis R. Papazian is a professor of Soviet history, the founder/director of the Armenian Research Center at The University of Michigan, Dearborn, and a member of the faculty of the Center for Russian and East European Studies at The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor. This paper is a preliminary draft/study written for oral delivery at the annual conference of the AAASS in Washington, DC, Friday, October 19, 1990.
More recently, Anatoliy Golitsyn, a Soviet defector of high status, has suggested that the Soviet Union is capable of disinformation on such a massive scale that even the Borkenau system is no longer viable.2 In a book first published in 1984, and of necessity written before then, Golitsyn argues that the leadership of the whole Communist bloc came to an agreement in 1958 in which it established a long range program, a master plan, which it would realize through a large scale deception of the West, a monumental scam.
Golitsyn maintains that the goals of the master plan were to provide a more profound political stabilization of individual communist regimes by developing wider mass support, the rectification of economic weakness of the bloc by increased international trade and the acquisition of credits and high technology from the West, the creation of a substructure for an eventual world federation of communist states, political isolation of the US from its allies, developing influence among socialists in Western Europe and Japan, the dissolution of NATO, and an alignment between the Soviet Union and a neutral, preferably socialist, Western Europe; concerted action with nationalist leaders in the Third World to eliminate Western influence as a preliminary to absorbing them in a communist federation, shifting the balance of power in favor of the Communist world, and the ideological disarmament of the West to create favorable conditions for convergence of East and West on communist terms.
Some of the techniques, according to Golitsyn, will be dissension within the bloc, unity of action behind disunity of words, a show of weakness before meeting with Western leaders or before major initiatives or negotiations, and the heavy use of disinformation.5 This disinformation will emanate from official Communist sources, unofficial Communist sources, and "secret" communist sources, much of it retrospective. It is to be delivered through Western newspapermen, scholars, officials, and the Soviet intelligentsia.
Golitsyn predicted the "breakup" of the communist bloc in Eastern Europe as a technique to be used by the Soviet government to entice Europe to move more towards socialism and to align itself eventually with the USSR against the United States.8 The Third World would then join communist Russia and socialist Western Europe against the US and its allies. Then there would be a joint drive by the Soviet bloc and a socialist Europe to push the US out of Europe and into nuclear disarmament. A powerful world federation of communist states would emerge and the US would be induced to "converge" on communist terms.
I would like to ask about Czechoslovak communist Army General and member of the Czechoslovak Defense Council, Jan Sejna, who defected to the United States in 1968. Sejna defected before Brezhnev’s minions in Czechoslovakia had chance to arrest him for warning then Secretary General of the CP of Czechoslovakia Alexander Dubcek about a Russian-led invasion. Sejna says in his book We Will Bury You that he had firsthand knowledge of the Soviet long-range plan to stage a false collapse of the communist Warsaw Pact alliance in order to disarm America and NATO. Do you agree that this is what happened in the “former” bloc countries?
I don't know what the collapse of communism looks like from the American point of view, but from the painful experience of the citizens of all the post-communist countries the collapse of communism is a pure fiction. Communists and their communist pyramid of power remain untouched. From the self-invited owners of the state wealth, that is from communists and cadres of the communist Gestapo STB, officers of the communist SS "People's Militia" and other comparable criminals, there turned out to be new lawful owners of everything that was of any value in these "former" communist countries – and it was done through a fraudulent privatization process.
The communists are doing everything possible to disarm the West and at the same time they are making sure that their own power and military strength remain untouched. From this position communists can dictate to the West their evil conception of a world communist order. The West can accept this the easy way or the hard way.