Words, Words, Words
Originally posted by MemoryShock
So is this a case of using a tragic event to create a precedent that would potentially impinge further on the rights of Americans? The professor
from Colorado was determined to be safe from job prosecution by the school board of directors. Granted, he wasn't rallying support for war, but his
statements were akin to Timini's in that he was decrying the victims of WTC.
Conspiracy, sedition and incitement to riot or commit murder are all “word crimes”. They all have the distinction of being illegal for as along as
the United States has been a nation. Longer, actually, they were illegal in the colonies, too.
These things are not protected speech, despite sanctimonious hand-wringing to the contrary, and they have never been. If Timini incited armed
violence, he's guilty and should be punished.
The article is a fluff piece.
The Zombie Story
Originally posted by MemoryShock
Recent events are beginning to suggest that words are a viable reason for enacting legal responsibility. The 'zombie story' in Kentucky, the
recent student bombing case, and countless others. It is definetely a fine line, as lives are a major concern....noone wants to look back and see
that something could have been done. But at what cost to our First Amendment Rights?
Funny you should mention the “Zombie Story”.
Those who actually followed the story you mentioned found that what was billed as “zombies” turned out to be a very different story, and knowing
that, I find it interesting that you mentioned it here.
Let's have a look, because this is very important:
Student Arrested For Writing Zombie Fiction Story!!
Student arrested for threatening school with zombie invasion
From William Poole, the accused
“It's a fake story. I made it up. I've been working on one of my short stories, (and) the short story they found was about zombies. Yes, it did
say a high school. It was about a high school over ran by zombies”.
Many ATSers credulously bought William Poole' bogus alibi hook, line and sinker, and assumed
authorities in Kentucky were in the wrong.
ATSers used terms like:
- “gestapo tactics” (WyrdeOne)
- that this “would not happen if the current Administration wasn't hell bent on forcing fear down the throats of every single American”
- that the grandparents of William Poole were “brainwashed by this administration” (CmptrN3rd5)
- How can this be a possible threat to the school when zombies dont exhist? (Croat56)
- Your own family turns you in to the Thought Police. Sound familiar? (truthseeka )
- If I lived any closer, or had a car, I would be down there passing a nail file through the bars. (WyrdeOne)
- Police like their jobs so they look at things negatively just like 2 wrongs don't make a right. (dnero6911)
- Or, he was really trying to recruit a gang to attack the school and the zombie story is his alabi. (HowardRoark -- who based his statement on facts,
as will be shown)
- Howard - that's a distortion of the facts. He wrote a short story about zombies taking over his school - standard sci-fi horror stuff. Like "The
Faculty." (soficrow) (I have no idea where soficrow got that idea from)
There are plenty more similar statements in both threads, and plenty of assumptions that this was a “travesty of justice”.
Then Came Some Actual Facts
So who was right about the “zombie story”? Here's what developed later in the second thread:
From the Winchester Sun
Student jailed for alleged school takeover threat
Police recovered writings in which Poole allegedly attempted to convince other students to participate in an armed takeover.
From the Lexington Herald-Leader
Details of student's writings revealed
However, Poole's teachers told police they had not assigned such a story or talked to him about it -- and had they seen it, they would have been
obligated to report him to authorities.
And, as it turns out, Poole's writings include no brain-eating dead folks.
What they do contain, Winchester police Detective Steven Caudill testified yesterday, is evidence that he had tried to solicit seven fellow students
to join him in a military organization called No Limited Soldiers.
The writings describe a bloody shootout in "Zone 2," the designation given to Clark County.
"All the soldiers of Zone 2 started shooting," Caudill read on the witness stand. "They're dropping every one of them. After five minutes, all the
people are lying on the ground dead."
The papers contain two different dates of Poole's death.
Poole has corresponded with someone in Barbourville who claimed to have acquired cash and guns in break-ins, Caudill testified.
From the Trentonian
Teen a wannabe killer or next Stephen King?
The headline-grabby word "zombie" wasn’t Poole’s first attempt to justify the contents of his notebook. First he told authorities that it was an
assignment for his vocational classes. They checked; no such assignment was given. Then he switched his story to say it was for English class. Another
check proved this story untrue. Then came the widely-quoted "zombie" story, which turned out to be more pure fiction.
In other words, the zombie story was all a lie.
And otherwise well-informed people still believe it to this day.
Why This Is Relevant To This Thread
Why did I bring this up in such detail? Because the “zombie story” was mentioned here in the context of a “First Amendment” discussion, and
illustrates how easy it is to jump to absurd conclusions without facts.
The story isn't over yet, but the latest indications are that zombies had nothing to do with it.
Most of the members posting in the ATS threads had clearly not even bothered to read these stories, even though the links were posted right there for
them by HowardRoark
-- who valiantly but fruitlessly attempted to help his fellow ATSers deny ignorance.
Apparently, many ATSers still
believe the story of William Poole is about zombies. For them, ignorance remains unchallenged.
The “Zombie” story is mentioned off-hand here as a First Amendment case. It wasn't.
The fact that it gets such unthinking inclusion in
this context is very disturbing, hence my detailed rebuttal.
“Zombies” was just a nice “hook” for the gullible among us to bite on. I posted so much of the relevant data directly to this thread because
links didn't avert gross ignorance in that case
and I fear they may not here.
I am hoping not to see a repeat of this shameful display here, but the signs are there.
Please, read and Deny Ignorance
, and try not to let yourself get snookered by a slick propaganda hook.
Regarding This Case
Maybe Ali Al-Timimi is innocent. I don't know. But before ATSers go around trumpeting his innocence on First Amendment grounds, I strongly
recommend waiting for the facts to come out in this case.
To do otherwise is to actively spread what could be lies and disinformation, and that's not what ATS is about.
[edit on 4/14/2005 by Majic]