Hiram Abiff and the Juwes

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posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 09:03 PM
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What is the legend of Hiram Abiff according to the Masons?




posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 09:08 PM
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Try this:
www.ephesians5-11.org...

regards
seekerof



posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 09:35 PM
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How about you don't go to ephesians.

There's was the first masonic website I ever went to, and because of them, I owe my having joined masonry...they sure would be pissed to know that


I first began researching masonry, by validating the claims of the ephesians website, and found most of their stuff to be wrong.

Frankly though, unless you know what you're looking at, because there is so much false information, you'll never know the actual story of Hiram Abiff.

Not that it's not out there, but it depends on what you trust as fact...and if you trust correctly, then you'll know


But I'll say this.

From Hell has it wrong...

In From Hell it claims that the "Juwes" killed Hiram Abiff and that it is symbolized by "Jubela, Jubelo, Jubelum".

Wrong.

Freemasonry's first and greatest Grand Master has always been Solomon King of Israel, not just a Jew, but one of the greatest men to have probably ever lived, as is recorded in history.

Both wise, and peaceful, and dedicated to his people.

I am uncertain if Hiram Abiff was a Jew (never really thought about it) and I know Hiram King of Tyre was not. But all who worked on the temple were as the Israelites.

So anyways...I figured you were referencing to "From Hell" because of how you spelt Jews "Juwes" as the educated man does in that movie.

But the movie had little to do with the truths in masonry.

If anything, I'd have to say Masonry is pro-jewish.



posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 09:37 PM
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I just didn't know if Jubelo, Jubela, Jubelum really killed Hiram Abiff.



posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 09:39 PM
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So the information about the Juwes isn't correct?

freemasonwatch.freepress...
freespeech.com/secrets.html



posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 09:42 PM
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Freemasonrywatch was my 2nd site to visit, and I've loved it because it really knows how to make up stories


Good reading.

As most things there's facts in there but it's hard to see them all, especially at FW which is really...paranoid.

And yes Jubela, Jubelo, and Jubelum did kill Hiram abiff, and probably not realistically, but it's all very symbolic, you'd probably learn a lot from the 3rd degree



posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 10:45 PM
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Have you read "The Hiram Key" ??

I thought it was interesting, but I also thought the authors made quite a few logical falacies in proving their theories. Good read, though.



posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 10:49 PM
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How about you don't go to ephesians.


Oh, so now Freemasonry trumps the Bible to you??




posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by Tyriffic

How about you don't go to ephesians.


Oh, so now Freemasonry trumps the Bible to you??


Why not? The bible is just so much fiction anyway.

At least Masonry is tangible.

[Edited on 19-7-2003 by UnusualSuspect]


arc

posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 07:34 AM
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The Hiram Key by Knight & Lomas does give a detailed theory of the Juwes scenario, which is why I'm a little surprised FM is criticising it now after exposing the merits of the book previously.

I was extremely impressed by the ideas put forth in the Hiram Key but it has received many poor reviews in both mainstream masonry and on sites which open-mindedly debuke much anti-masonic hysteria



posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 07:43 AM
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FreeMason is actually (would you believe from his name?) a Freemason with a very good understanding of the ritual concerning Hiram Abiff in his own region.

He is also sworn to not reveal secrets he has learned.


arc

posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 12:24 PM
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your poker face is most impressive MA. Almost sounded sincere and serious then



posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 03:00 PM
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Actually Arc I've never meritted "The Hirams Key" ...

I've always thought the book was complete rubbish, but I've never read it so I stay away from criticizing the book and rather promoting others I've read that goes into more realistic history.

If I'm correct....Hiram's Key tries to trace Freemasonry back to King Solomon's Temple literally...or even Egypt or some such thing?

That would be nice but evidence shows that Freemasonry is really just born from the European stone guilds, and Masonry its self (and then only English masonry) makes no attempt to show any unity and reference to its past until 1390 where it claims the first true English King Athelstan granted them the "York Constitution".

And that claim is shaky at best.

Over-all I believe masonry originated from the European Guilds, and didn't start to become a "cohesive fraternity" until a dabble of Templars entered the craft. How much the templars entered the craft is unknown but I do feel it's arguable it was significant enough to move Masonry from the stone, and to the spirit.

Maybe I should read Hiram's key just to see what it really is talking about
, but over all I have no support for it, or any assumptions it makes about "Juwes". Again, King Solomon was a Jew.

*EDIT* Yes, but I think most masons often wonder how far the secret goes, wondering if revealing bits of history and historical references might give away too much...
It would be easiest if GLoE never revealed Masonry at all....lol....but then me and you probably wouldn't be such


[Edited on 19-7-2003 by FreeMason]


arc

posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 05:35 PM
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in that case I would suggest the book, as I always feel its difficult to criticise before reading something. Personally I fail to understand why a society based on stone masons would include references to ancient biblical events that are not common in mainstream history, esoteric rituals and the like. Or why other guilds of craftsman do not have the same mystique and secrecy that masons have become notorious for. But what do I know really? Hormones obviously distorting my perception and logic circuits again


btw allegory is the most interesting of concepts and the Hiram Key goes into meticulous detail concerning parables, pesher and the like



posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 08:53 PM
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Well Freemasonry matriculated down to england from scotland...which is easily understandable as many Templar Graves are visible in Kilwinning and elsewhere, where these graves are also marked with the Square.

So a more logical explaination as to why Masonry became Speculative, goes beyond just the need to survive by letting in a few who knew little about Stonework.

Opperative Masonry before the 1600s showed evidence of having a stepped up guild versus their other European counterparts, with the last two Opperative Stone Masons having been the masters working on St. Pauls Cathedral (That's an interesting read).

So the introduction of the Templars in the 1300s would explain a lot considering why after that date the nobility began to become the "Protectors" of masonry, and why masonry became more involved with say the soul, than the stone.

It would also explain the religious tollerance of which no other opperative mason's guilds at the time really had.

But most of England has always been tollerant, so that would also make a hotbed of birth for such institutions.

As to why does Masonry involve King Solomon's Temple?

Well a logical point made by John Robinson was that because the Templars were situated around the Temple.

It was the Templars, not the Masons who assembled in places representing the Temple of Solomon, and then suddenly 300 years after their official disbanding, their representation is again born.

So while there can't be question to some templars having joined masonry, there's question to what their influence was. As it's possible someone was just trying to mimic the Templars or such, but it would make no sense for it to be birthed in Masonry, when there were other organizations mimicking the Templars, such as the Order of Garter (which still exists today).

Born in Blood and The Temple and the Lodge are I believe better historical researches into that side of Masonry.

Also though, there's a lot to be learned in reading such books as "Josephus's Chronicles" and the like...learning the history of that time period is like starting at the beginning of modern times.

Because while Egypt and Mesopotamia came before, and while Greece did many things we hold virtuous today, first....it was Palestine and Rome that interacted and from there the world's changed...

History is power.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 11:05 AM
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In a short and to the point explaination, the Legend of Hiram Abiff is symbolic of the path the soul treads on its way to freedom and life. "Jubela, Jubelo, Jubelum" refer to the "three unclean spirits which come forth like Frogs from the mouth of the false prophet," law, religion, and family, which then strike down the soul (Hiram Abiff) and cast him into the hidden grave (mundane life) from which he must be raised through use of the lost Word or magic wand (I). On a more exoteric or outward basis, you may also consider the three assailants to be Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 11:18 AM
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niteipvvvvv:

I hope you understand that your esoteric interpretation of the legend is certainly not what masonry teaches...

[edit on 29-12-2007 by LightinDarkness]



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 11:35 AM
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We are all entitled to our own opinions, be they "right or wrong" in another's eyes.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 12:13 PM
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Yes and no. You are entitled to believe whatever you want to believe, but occasionally there is simply fact. There is a fact of what the Hiram legend IS, which does NOT in ANY WAY include your interpretation. In fact, your interpretation is directly opposed to much of what the lodge teaches.

So your view is absolutely not the literal story of Hiram, and your esoteric interpretation includes facets which the lodge teaches directly against. If the mason is expected to respect the religion of others and earnestly seek his or her own religion, it makes little sense that "religion" kills Hiram. And thats just one example.



posted on Dec, 29 2007 @ 12:39 PM
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I am not trying to fight with you, nor make the lodge look bad. I am not a mason, I am a member of a half-dozen other lodges, some of which are frankly opposed to mainstream religion (in the individual member, not at large), but do use masonic symbolism.

I do not speak for the masonic interpretation, and no one man should either, from what I understand. But as long as it is kept secret, people are going to ask, and when they do, they are going to get all sorts of answers.

My interpretation of it is along those lines. If you want to add your own interpretation, I would love to hear it. If not, that too is fine, but do not attack mine. I will certainly not attack your point of view.






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