can any one tell mi why the yf-23 looks like crap. i dont see the need for anymore manned fighter aircraft. and another thing look how bigg that thing is, if radar cannt pick it up, all someone has to do is look up in the sky and then shoot it down with anti-aircraft bullets

Hi any chance you could post a link or picture please?

Oooh kinda like an overweight raptor.

The YF-23 lost the race against the F-22, so it will not be in production.

The yf-23 aint going to happen.. it was runner against the yf-22 in u.s. airforces seek for the f-15 replacement.. the yf-22 won that race is is today the F-22 raptor future u.s. airforce heavy fighter.. and the yf-23 project is as dead as a STONE!!!

The YF-23's that were made are going to go to NASA. Actually the YF-23 could of been faster and cheaper, and more stealthy. The real only reason the F-22 won out was because it have better low speed handling. I think it looks pretty good too.

[Edited on 19-7-2003 by jetsetter]

i thought the yf-23 looked sweet. way better than the f-22. from the head on shot it actualy has a pretty small profile.

i also think there will always be a need for manned fighter aircraft. i'm sure UAV's will become more common, but i don't think they will fully replace manned aircraft.

I still think that the F-23 would have been a much better plane then the F-22 ever will be. The ATF compatition is a perfect example of how the US Military is moving in the wrong direction, they gave up superior technology for what they hoped would be lower risk. If they had used that approch in the cold war the SR-71, F-117A, and B-2 would not exist, because they were all radically new designs

Tim

Pyros Wrote:
> The YF-22 was less stealthy, but more nimble. You have to assume >that this factored heavily in the minds of the Test & Evaluation >pilots who were assigning grades. USAF pilots love to go fast, but >since Vietnam they have all been taught from day one that >maneuverability and dogfighting is key.

I have a set of books at home called Airpower Journal. In one of them there is an artical on the ATF/F-22 program. In the artical it talks about the development of the ATF Program. One of the things it highlites is that the ATF was being design for a new air combat philosopy called : First Look, First Shot, First Kill!
With a brand new philosophy for Air dominance as it's fondation. Why did the program Choose a fighter based on Post Vietnam concepts? I really think the YF-23 was better design for the new philosophy. They even went through the trouble to breif the contractor teams on the basics of the NEW philosopy. Why did they go back to the old thinking when it was time to make a final decision?
Tim

Originally posted by ghost
Pyros Wrote:
> The YF-22 was less stealthy, but more nimble. You have to assume >that this factored heavily in the minds of the Test & Evaluation >pilots who were assigning grades. USAF pilots love to go fast, but >since Vietnam they have all been taught from day one that >maneuverability and dogfighting is key.

I have a set of books at home called Airpower Journal. In one of them there is an artical on the ATF/F-22 program. In the artical it talks about the development of the ATF Program. One of the things it highlites is that the ATF was being design for a new air combat philosopy called : First Look, First Shot, First Kill!
With a brand new philosophy for Air dominance as it's fondation. Why did the program Choose a fighter based on Post Vietnam concepts? I really think the YF-23 was better design for the new philosophy. They even went through the trouble to breif the contractor teams on the basics of the NEW philosopy. Why did they go back to the old thinking when it was time to make a final decision?
Tim

Tim, what do you mean by "Why did they go back to old thinking?"

You do realize that the F-22 incorporates the same philosohpy? Its identification and detection radar will allow it to "see" before being "seen". The a2a missiles that we currently have and are working on will allow for virtual "instant kill" and will incorporate the BVR capabilities. Does this not equate to the very same philosophy you have mentioned?

My understanding why the F-23 was dropped or lost was due to a number of conclusions, etc. Personally, I don't really care which aircraft won out.....the idea was to have an aircraft that could do as the New USAF Air Doctrine dictates.......for which both will and would do.

regards
seekerof



[Edited on 31-7-2003 by Seekerof]

[Edited on 31-7-2003 by Seekerof]

It is.. AAM to be correct.. damn amateurs..

Originally posted by Seekerof

Originally posted by ghost
Pyros Wrote:
> The YF-22 was less stealthy, but more nimble. You have to assume >that this factored heavily in the minds of the Test & Evaluation >pilots who were assigning grades. USAF pilots love to go fast, but >since Vietnam they have all been taught from day one that >maneuverability and dogfighting is key.

I have a set of books at home called Airpower Journal. In one of them there is an artical on the ATF/F-22 program. In the artical it talks about the development of the ATF Program. One of the things it highlites is that the ATF was being design for a new air combat philosopy called : First Look, First Shot, First Kill!
With a brand new philosophy for Air dominance as it's fondation. Why did the program Choose a fighter based on Post Vietnam concepts? I really think the YF-23 was better design for the new philosophy. They even went through the trouble to breif the contractor teams on the basics of the NEW philosopy. Why did they go back to the old thinking when it was time to make a final decision?
Tim

Tim, what do you mean by "Why did they go back to old thinking?"

You do realize that the F-22 incorporates the same philosohpy? Its identification and detection radar will allow it to "see" before being "seen". The a2a missiles that we currently have and are working on will allow for virtual "instant kill" and will incorporate the BVR capabilities. Does this not equate to the very same philosophy you have mentioned?

My understanding why the F-23 was dropped or lost was due to a number of conclusions, etc. Personally, I don't really care which aircraft won out.....the idea was to have an aircraft that could do as the New USAF Air Doctrine dictates.......for which both will and would do.

regards
seekerof

I know both planes were design for the same doctrine, but with an edge in stealth and speed, th F-23 was better equiped for the new doctrine. Secondly the electronics of the F-23 were more advanced and more capable then those in the F-22, sugesting that the plane was better equipped to fill this role.

Tim

The YF-23 lost on the F-22 due to the amount of work in the southern states where the F-22 is being build?? As most fighters the F-22 is in bad weather with lots of trouble on finance front.

Strike Eagle's do the job better and above all cheaper!! But the air forces just loves pretty fast machines.

i have no other word to say about that but look at some
stage there is a darwin evolution technologies working in this F/23 i needs other opinion about this too
as i m wondering from which F is this fighter evolution came out