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the yf-23

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Topic started on 18-7-2003 @ 06:30 PM by mooeuro

can any one tell mi why the yf-23 looks like crap. i dont see the need for anymore manned fighter aircraft. and another thing look how bigg that thing is, if radar cannt pick it up, all someone has to do is look up in the sky and then shoot it down with anti-aircraft bullets

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reply posted on 18-7-2003 @ 07:41 PM by feygan

Hi any chance you could post a link or picture please?

reply posted on 18-7-2003 @ 07:57 PM by Seekerof

Originally posted by mooeuro
can any one tell mi why the yf-23 looks like crap. i dont see the need for anymore manned fighter aircraft. and another thing look how bigg that thing is, if radar cannt pick it up, all someone has to do is look up in the sky and then shoot it down with anti-aircraft bullets

Thats a very opinionated stance mooeuro, I can respect that. As it looking like crap, I merely say this........if it does the job for which it was intended to do, who really cares what its appearance looks like?! Your deducement of "if radar cannt pick it up, all someone has to do is look up in the sky and then shoot it down with anit-aircraft bullets"........leaves much to the imagination and obviously lacks of knowledge in said deployment and use of the said YF-23.

and link:
www.fas.org...

regards
seekerof

[Edited on 19-7-2003 by Seekerof]

[Edited on 19-7-2003 by Seekerof]

reply posted on 18-7-2003 @ 09:33 PM by feygan

Oooh kinda like an overweight raptor.

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reply posted on 19-7-2003 @ 01:13 AM by Walt

The YF-23 lost the race against the F-22, so it will not be in production.

reply posted on 19-7-2003 @ 04:32 AM by Uninen

The yf-23 aint going to happen.. it was runner against the yf-22 in u.s. airforces seek for the f-15 replacement.. the yf-22 won that race is is today the F-22 raptor future u.s. airforce heavy fighter.. and the yf-23 project is as dead as a STONE!!!

reply posted on 19-7-2003 @ 12:01 PM by jetsetter

The YF-23's that were made are going to go to NASA. Actually the YF-23 could of been faster and cheaper, and more stealthy. The real only reason the F-22 won out was because it have better low speed handling. I think it looks pretty good too.

[Edited on 19-7-2003 by jetsetter]

reply posted on 19-7-2003 @ 01:21 PM by jra

i thought the yf-23 looked sweet. way better than the f-22. from the head on shot it actualy has a pretty small profile.

i also think there will always be a need for manned fighter aircraft. i'm sure UAV's will become more common, but i don't think they will fully replace manned aircraft.

reply posted on 23-7-2003 @ 07:00 AM by ghost

I still think that the F-23 would have been a much better plane then the F-22 ever will be. The ATF compatition is a perfect example of how the US Military is moving in the wrong direction, they gave up superior technology for what they hoped would be lower risk. If they had used that approch in the cold war the SR-71, F-117A, and B-2 would not exist, because they were all radically new designs

Tim

reply posted on 23-7-2003 @ 08:56 AM by Pyros

As I am told, the YF-23 lost out to the YF-22 by only the smallest of margins. They were nearly identical in performance with only a few exceptions.

The YF-23 Black Widow was definately more stealthy. It was also slightly faster. However, in order to gain a low radar cross section it's design had to compromise some maneuverability.

The YF-22 was less stealthy, but more nimble. You have to assume that this factored heavily in the minds of the Test & Evaluation pilots who were assigning grades. USAF pilots love to go fast, but since Vietnam they have all been taught from day one that maneuverability and dogfighting is key.

Its too bad, because when the JSF comes out they will have an A/C with awesome maneuverability and dogfighting skills. The F-22 will be used more for air superiority and strike missions, which the YF-23 seemed to be better suited for.

Personnnaly, I think they are both awesome planes, but the YF-23 was positively EVIL LOOKING.

Check this out: YF-23

[Edited on 23-7-2003 by Pyros]

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reply posted on 31-7-2003 @ 06:53 AM by ghost

Pyros Wrote:
> The YF-22 was less stealthy, but more nimble. You have to assume >that this factored heavily in the minds of the Test & Evaluation >pilots who were assigning grades. USAF pilots love to go fast, but >since Vietnam they have all been taught from day one that >maneuverability and dogfighting is key.

I have a set of books at home called Airpower Journal. In one of them there is an artical on the ATF/F-22 program. In the artical it talks about the development of the ATF Program. One of the things it highlites is that the ATF was being design for a new air combat philosopy called : First Look, First Shot, First Kill!
With a brand new philosophy for Air dominance as it's fondation. Why did the program Choose a fighter based on Post Vietnam concepts? I really think the YF-23 was better design for the new philosophy. They even went through the trouble to breif the contractor teams on the basics of the NEW philosopy. Why did they go back to the old thinking when it was time to make a final decision?
Tim

reply posted on 31-7-2003 @ 08:17 AM by Seekerof

Originally posted by ghost
Pyros Wrote:
> The YF-22 was less stealthy, but more nimble. You have to assume >that this factored heavily in the minds of the Test & Evaluation >pilots who were assigning grades. USAF pilots love to go fast, but >since Vietnam they have all been taught from day one that >maneuverability and dogfighting is key.

I have a set of books at home called Airpower Journal. In one of them there is an artical on the ATF/F-22 program. In the artical it talks about the development of the ATF Program. One of the things it highlites is that the ATF was being design for a new air combat philosopy called : First Look, First Shot, First Kill!
With a brand new philosophy for Air dominance as it's fondation. Why did the program Choose a fighter based on Post Vietnam concepts? I really think the YF-23 was better design for the new philosophy. They even went through the trouble to breif the contractor teams on the basics of the NEW philosopy. Why did they go back to the old thinking when it was time to make a final decision?
Tim

Tim, what do you mean by "Why did they go back to old thinking?"

You do realize that the F-22 incorporates the same philosohpy? Its identification and detection radar will allow it to "see" before being "seen". The a2a missiles that we currently have and are working on will allow for virtual "instant kill" and will incorporate the BVR capabilities. Does this not equate to the very same philosophy you have mentioned?

My understanding why the F-23 was dropped or lost was due to a number of conclusions, etc. Personally, I don't really care which aircraft won out.....the idea was to have an aircraft that could do as the New USAF Air Doctrine dictates.......for which both will and would do.

regards
seekerof

[Edited on 31-7-2003 by Seekerof]

[Edited on 31-7-2003 by Seekerof]

reply posted on 31-7-2003 @ 09:58 AM by Uninen

It is.. AAM to be correct.. damn amateurs..

reply posted on 31-7-2003 @ 11:58 AM by ghost

Originally posted by Seekerof

Tim, what do you mean by "Why did they go back to old thinking?"

You do realize that the F-22 incorporates the same philosohpy? Its identification and detection radar will allow it to "see" before being "seen". The a2a missiles that we currently have and are working on will allow for virtual "instant kill" and will incorporate the BVR capabilities. Does this not equate to the very same philosophy you have mentioned?

My understanding why the F-23 was dropped or lost was due to a number of conclusions, etc. Personally, I don't really care which aircraft won out.....the idea was to have an aircraft that could do as the New USAF Air Doctrine dictates.......for which both will and would do.

regards
seekerof

I know both planes were design for the same doctrine, but with an edge in stealth and speed, th F-23 was better equiped for the new doctrine. Secondly the electronics of the F-23 were more advanced and more capable then those in the F-22, sugesting that the plane was better equipped to fill this role.

Tim

reply posted on 1-8-2003 @ 07:29 PM by EricJager

The YF-23 lost on the F-22 due to the amount of work in the southern states where the F-22 is being build?? As most fighters the F-22 is in bad weather with lots of trouble on finance front.

Strike Eagle's do the job better and above all cheaper!! But the air forces just loves pretty fast machines.

reply posted on 2-8-2003 @ 08:26 AM by unholy enterprise

i have no other word to say about that but look at some
stage there is a darwin evolution technologies working in this F/23 i needs other opinion about this too

as i m wondering from which F is this fighter evolution came out

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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 07:05 PM by Anonymous ATS

reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 04:58 PM by Anonymous ATS

reply to post by Pyros

I hear alot of talk about how the Black Widow and the Raptor look and act alike but the fact of the matter is we are the U.S. and we accept nothing but the best and well well well look who or should i say what won that test the YF-23 is a great plane one of which i am not very familier with but i don't need to know anything about it for the obvious reason that the F-22 has been put in to mass production for the replacement of the F-15 the F-22 is an Out Standing technilogicle Machine of Death it can out turn out fight and simply out perform any other fighter in the world so get use to seeing it

reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 09:34 PM by ShatteredSkies

reply to post by Anonymous ATS

Politics my dear friend... politics.

Both aircraft were amazingly capable pieces of hardware and even though I personally believe the US took second best, the YF-22 made it all the way because of politics.

Shattered OUT...

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