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Originally posted by eudaimonia
I need proof of your accusations.
Originally posted by Esoterica
Originally posted by eudaimonia
I need proof of your accusations.
Ignorance, insanity, and lying all rolled into one-
1wintermute1, and your eventual support. Using a website that references lizard people, yet referring to the religious as foolish...words cannot express exactly how wrong that is. And believing the ravings of a lunatic that the Pope sold deadly chemcials to the Nazis when he spent the Nazi occupation either in hiding or in forced labor shows a total lack of willingness to use your cognitive functions.
Igorance- You, "Sorry, but in all my years I cannot recall at any moment when the pope has changed the world significantly for the better."
He apologized for the past sins of the Church, specifically it's treatment of Jews. As in admitting that Christians have amde mistakes.
He was instrumental in freeing his homeland from communist oppression.
There's two. Two well-known ones at that.
But utter, utter insanity comes from your listing of papal facts. At one time, you say that peopel adhering to Catholicism are backwards and stupid, yet you claim the Pope is an evil man for liberalizing the Church and not adhering to the strictest letter of the law? That makes no sense. Him beginning to regard women as equal is somehow BAD, and he needs to rot in hell for it? You're the worst of ATS, someone who is both ignorant and obviously with mental problems, because there is no way someone with a clear head could allow such unbridled cognitive dissonance.
In other words, there are two possiblities. Either you need to get on some meds, or you're just a #ing idiot.
Warn taken with pride
Originally posted by Lady of the Lake
I do not follow a manmade religion but I do accept all faiths as people rights.
True awakening is about acceptance, tolerance, understanding and freedom. It is not about denying those who need religion in their lives access. For this is not freedom it is denial of peoples rights. True awakening is not based on hatred and bigotry either.
You're the worst of ATS, someone who is both ignorant and obviously with mental problems, because there is no way someone with a clear head could allow such unbridled cognitive dissonance.
Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.
Originally posted by The Astral CityOh just grow up already.
While it's a matter of debate as to weather John Paul II would hold a candle to either of these men (and I'm not making my side on that issue known so don't bloody well put words in my mouth) he is seen by what I would believe to be the majority of Americans and Europeans at least to be a good man.
imagine if Bush were to die, Republicans would be in mourning. Such as it is for John-Paul II.
Thus, they mourn his passing.
No one is being hurt by it that I can see.
Originally posted by MKULTRA
You're the worst of ATS, someone who is both ignorant and obviously with mental problems, because there is no way someone with a clear head could allow such unbridled cognitive dissonance.
That's kind of interesting, Esoterica. I agree, and I find some similarities between your description and that of a "Troll":
Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.
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MK
I'm trying to make an effort to show others that there is more to the story behind those curtains. If you feel that having complete trust in catholicism will benefit you in all aspects of life, then so be it. As for me, I need something that fits my definition of truth, freedom, and love. I need to progress and evolve my conscious to something less primitive.
Originally posted by Lady of the Lake
I'm trying to make an effort to show others that there is more to the story behind those curtains. If you feel that having complete trust in catholicism will benefit you in all aspects of life, then so be it. As for me, I need something that fits my definition of truth, freedom, and love. I need to progress and evolve my conscious to something less primitive.
If people chose to put complete trust in catholicism or any nother religion for that matter that is their right and their business - not yours. If your desire is to show others that there is more behind the curtains then do it in a constructive way not by being vulgar and cruel. Certainly not insulting their spiritual leader. Softly, softly and all of that. You might just find people might we REALLY listen to you rather than thinking you are an idiot.
Originally posted by Netchicken
Maybe they are mourning him because he was a good man, who did a lot to change the world. ... he was the instigator of many of the Eastern European revolutions that lead to the fall of Communism.
Small people try and tear down those who have done big things.
Originally posted by 1wintermute1
IF you were to research who the true pope is .....His real name is Karol Wojtyla.
He only became Pope after teh suspicious assasination of Pope John Paul I in 1978
He used to work for IG farben (manufactureers of Zyklon B) before he joined the church .
All are facts look them up.
May John Paul II rot in hell.
All a matter fo record.
TextTruly and honestly, could you tell me why, in a thread named "why are people mourning the pope" you feel the need share your personal studidity and lack of respect with us like that?
Originally posted by The Astral City
I do believe your entire voice in this dialogue has been an exercise in childish lashing out at something you have not taken the time to fully understand.
You may feel that you are quite too enlightened, cultured and generally above to believe in religion's value, but you should take note how many truly brilliant people have devoted their lives to it. Did they not think things through? Where their capacities for reason somehow flipped off when it came to belief?
St. Thomas Aquinas was one of the most coherent philosophers of all time; indeed it took an entire period of thought to lay down the arguments he made. With thinkers like that, it's a grave wonder that people still call religion a drug for the uncritical.
I'd wager also that given the chance, the pope could argue his case quite well, enough at least to tear apart the arguments of the likes of you, and many others of this forum, including myself.
However, this is not the point I tried to put forth in my last piece. I believe that your posting here says more about your own anger and issues than those of serious theological debate. I also still believe it quite inappropriate, but as I said, you have your right to your opinions and I would fight to the death for your right to express them.
Originally posted by Lady of the LakeIf people chose to put complete trust in catholicism or any nother religion for that matter that is their right and their business - not yours. If your desire is to show others that there is more behind the curtains then do it in a constructive way not by being vulgar and cruel. Certainly not insulting their spiritual leader. Softly, softly and all of that. You might just find people might we REALLY listen to you rather than thinking you are an idiot.