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Originally posted by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy
The unholy alliance of South Korean troops and Korea's archenemy - Japanese - reminds one of the last Chosen king who had invited Japanese troops to put down the Tonghak rebels. ...(snip)... Will the history repeat itself? (snip) Will he order his troops to fight the Japanese 'ally'?
Kim Jong Il will strike first at the first sure sign of invasion. His army and people have been waiting for the moment for over half a century and will be much pleased to kill some Japanese and Yanks. Kim has over one million soldiers, more than 8,000 heavy guns that fire 300,000 shells loaded with biochemicals per hour, and missiles that can hit Japan and Los Angeles, Seattle, and other major American cities.
It is believed that North Korean missiles hidden in caves are already loaded with WMD warheads and ready to go.
North Korea has more than 5,000 tons of biochemical agents, including sarin, anthrax, smallpox and the plague.
North Korea's nuclear program dates back to 1950 and it would be naive to believe that North Korea has managed to produce only 1-2 or 7-8 bombs during half a century. The truth of the matter is that North Korea may have helped Pakistan and Iran with nuclear weaponry. A Pakistani nuclear scientist has admitted that North Korea's nuclear program is far more advanced than the Pak program
The most potent weapon North Korea has is its special forces that number over 100,000 - the largest in the world. These troops are trained for suicide missions. North Korea has about 100 submarines, several hundreds transport planes, semi-submersible high-speed boats and other means of transportation that can inject its special forces into Japanese cities and the coastal cities of America.
At the start of war, Kim Jong Il is most likely to fire all of his WMD missiles on Japan and the US homeland.
US naval task forces and submarines will be hit with anti-ship cruise missiles and nuclear-chemical Scuds.
His artillery would open up on military targets along the DMZ and the rear-area troop concentrations.
Contrary to the US claim, Kim is unlikely to hit Seoul except the US 8th Army base at Yongsan. Likewise, his army is unlikely to invade South Korea - instead, they would stay put in their well-fortified bunkers to defend the homeland against the invading armies.
Kim's forces will hunker down for a long war of attrition.
His army is well equipped with anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles. North Korea has a large number of anti-ship cruise missiles. At least 30% - if not more - of Kim's dug-in military is likely to survive US nuclear attacks and be alive to repel the invading forces.
North Korea has over 2 million well-armed militia tasked to defend their towns and villages in support of the regular armed forces.
After Kim's initial missile and artillery attacks, several thousand suicide squads would spring into action at the same time and attack targets in Japan and in the United States. Kim's air force and navy will be tasked to transport the kamikaze squads to their destinations.
It is possible that many of them are already in place. The suicide squads are trained to attack nuclear facilities, dams, chemical plants and storage tanks, oil depots, power stations, gas pipelines, bridges, tunnels and so on. Their mission is to cause as many casualties among the civilian populace. A dozen or so suicide terrorists were responsible for the 9.11 that killed 3,000 or so people - now imagine 100,000 suicide terrorists attacking several thousand targets at the same time!
According to a Japanese intelligence source, North Korea has a secret plan to hit Tokyo with Rodong missiles loaded with chemicals first and then a large special force unit will occupy it as a hostage. Other cities in Japan may be attacked similarly. If enough cities are held as hostages, the allied may be forced to sue for peace.
Many people doubt North Korea’s military capability, and think a war with North Korea would be a cake walk in the park. Those people should wake up! We DO NOT want to mess with North Korea. If we did it could lead to another world war, and a nuclear holocaust.
North Korea has an elite special force squad ready to annihilate America.
Originally posted by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy
1. North Korea Can Engage the US in Total War
North Korea is one of the few nations that can engage in a total war with the United States.
Western press and analysts distort the truth and depict North Korea as an "impoverished" nation, starving
An impoverished, starving nation cannot face down a military superpower.
North Korea has made it clear that it will strike all US targets with all means, if the US mounted military attacks on North Korea.
Did the US plane see them coming? If it did, why no evasive action?
After intercepting the US plane, the hostile planes dogged it for 22 min. Why no American planes for the rescue?
If Kim Jong Il had given the command, the MiGs would have shot down the US plane
For this reason, North Korea's war plan is offensive in nature: North Korea's war plan goes beyond repulsing US attackers and calls for destruction of the United States.
3. North Korea's Military Capability
All nations keep their military capability secret.
US Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said that North Korea uses underground optical fibers for military communication and that it is nearly impossible to plant human agents in North Korea.
Several small to medium hydro-power plants serve these plants so that it would be nearly impossible for the US to cut off power to the plants.
North Korea's military is organized into several independent, totally integrated and self-sufficient fighting units, that are ready for action at any time.
Karl von Clausewitz said that people's support for war, military commanders' ability and power, and the political leadership are the three essentials for winning war. He failed to include the political indoctrination of the soldiers, which is perhaps more important than the other factors cited.
In June 1998, another submarine got caught in fishing nets at Sokcho and its crew killed themselves. Such is the fighting spirit of North Korean soldiers.
i) Artillery
North Korea has 2 artillery corps and 30 artillery brigades equipped with 120mm self-propelled guns, 152mm self-propelled mortars, 170mm guns with a range of 50 km
240 mm multiple rocket launchers with a range of 45 km, and other heavy guns. North Korea has about 18,000 heavy guns.
The big guns are hidden in caves. Many of them are mounted on rails and can fire in all directions.
They can rain 500,000 conventional and biochemical shells per hour on US troops near the DMZ.
North Korea has tanks, armored cars, and self-propelled artillery for blitz klieg. North Korea has one tank corps and 15 tank brigades. The tank corps has 5 tank regiments, each of which has 4 heavy tank battalions, 1 light-tank battalion, one mechanized infantry battalion, 2 self-propelled artillery battalions.
US tanks are designed to operate in open fields.
In 1973, Egypt defeated Israeli tanks with anti-tank missiles.
They were able to cut off the supply lines of the Third Army, stretching to the south, and soon after began encircling them. With the Third Army being cut off and surrounded, only the intervention of the USSR and the United States saved it from imminent destruction.
American and Western tank commanders do not know how to fight tank battles in rugged terrains like those of Korea. Tank battles in Korea will be fought on hilly terrains without any close air cover, because North Korean fighters will engage US planes in close dog fights.
T-62s - have 155 mm guns and can travel as fast as 60 km per hour.
North Korean tanks have skins 700 mm thick and TOW-II is the only anti-tank missile in the US arsenal that can penetrate this armored skin.
North Korea has developed special bikes for mountain warfare.
Reconnaissance units operate in small teams behind enemy lines locating and pinpointing targets. This may be done to mark them for destruction or to ascertain enemy intentions and movements. These units have operated in South Korea and have tangled with South Korean counter-terrorism units in the past. One publicized incident involved a special submarine from the 1st flotilla of the 22nd Squadron which ran aground with a team of three commandos and twenty-one Navy crew members. In this incident, starting early the morning of September 19, 1996, one of the North Korean commandos was captured and the rest of the crew killed, either by South Korean soldiers and police or by each other.
Economy - overview: North Korea, one of the world's most centrally planned and isolated economies, faces desperate economic conditions. Industrial capital stock is nearly beyond repair as a result of years of underinvestment and spare parts shortages. Industrial and power output have declined in parallel. The nation has suffered its tenth year of food shortages because of a lack of arable land, collective farming, weather-related problems, and chronic shortages of fertilizer and fuel. Massive international food aid deliveries have allowed the regime to escape mass starvation since 1995-96, but the population remains the victim of prolonged malnutrition and deteriorating living conditions. Large-scale military spending eats up resources needed for investment and civilian consumption. In 2003, heightened political tensions with key donor countries and general donor fatigue threatened the flow of desperately needed food aid and fuel aid as well. Black market prices continued to rise following the increase in official prices and wages in the summer of 2002, leaving some vulnerable groups, such as the elderly and unemployed, less able to buy goods. The regime, however, relaxed restrictions on farmers' market activities in spring 2003, leading to an expansion of market activity.
China has been attempting to stop mass illegal migration of North Koreans escaping famine, economic privation, and oppression into northern China
According to various sources of information, North Korea seemed to have reprocessed enough plutonium to produce one or two nuclear weapons. In addition, sufficient plutonium for another six nuclear weapons remained in fuel removed from the reactor at Yongbon but stored under international supervision, under the provisions of the 1994 Agreed Framework.
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The most likely scenario is that the North fights hard but eventually starts getting chopped to pieces and are forced to retreat north over the border into Russia. The North is far more likely to take and hold a large chunk of Russia and do the attrition thing from there. US forces will take and hold the north. Russia will have a hell of a time dealing with the North and it could take them a couple years to wipe them all out. The US repeatedly offers assistance but Russia is to proud to have US forces come over their border. Russia sadly resorts to using low yield nukes on large pockets of stubborn resistance on their own soil plunging Russia into total economic collapse. A civil war and revelotion ensues.Text
China rapidly and massivley arms their northern borders. A Russian civil war will have more than two sides. At the first sign of a Russian faction retreating into China or invading China the Chinese invade all of southeastern Russia and manage to hold it. Whats left of Russia then has a "patriotic" moment and launches enormous nuclear strike on Chinese held positions in the southeast and also upon the Chinese mainland. The US eventually hands what was North Korea to the South Korean and Japanese governments. The US is once again left as the superpower left standing.Text
Within no more than ten years the then united Korean peninsula goes to war with Japan. The US sides with Japan. Large forces of North Korean soldiers who took off their uniforms and donned civilian clothes and were thought to have been killed are mistaken for North Korean civilians and are allowed to exist on the Indian border in large villages. When the Korean US/Japanese war starts those remaining North Korean border towns try to take advantage of the confusion and invade into India and Pakistan and trigger an all out Indian Pakisitani nuclear exchange. Now that nearly all of asia is radioactive ash the US and Japan disengage Korea completely leaving them to dissolve in politics and radiation. Japan becomes the worlds other superpower as they dominate the remaining Pacific and are very happy with it for a very long time. The EU begins to disintigrate back into a cold war type system as they try to repair the massive damge done by roving rougue Russian armys loyal to no one. Whats left of Russia actually manages to eventually become a nation again and are very succesful considering that they no longer have to account for what was once most of asia.Text
The NATO nations are left quite unscathed considering. Australias population increases a quarter billion. Canadas population increases by half a billion. With a quarter of the worlds land mass left a radioactive hell populations have no choice but to seek refuge elsewhere. The US is left more powerful than ever. Now having a twenty million man army to deal with so many fronts. The middle east governments collapse seeing that there is no more Russia and North Korea or China to supply them. Having almost no more material support whatsoever for extremist governments, US forces sweep the entire middle east. By now oil no longer powers a full half of what it used to. Mexico becomes the 51st state. Then Puerto Rico. Thank you...
Originally posted by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy
Plus you can't trust everything you read on the net.
I know more about this than I am revealing, and I actually agree with some of your statements, but if we go to war with another country, lets not have the attitude that they are far less superior than us.
"North Korea has an elite special force squad ready to annihilate America."
When I stated that I said they were ready, I never said they would. Yet don't doubt their capabilities.
My question to you though is, how do you think our military special forces are compared to Germany's, Russia's, Isreal's, & UK's special forces/operations? I must say I take pride and honor in our special forces/operations, because of our eliteness.
-your friend Liquid
Originally posted by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy
Thanks for providing links. Just u2u me, and we can chat Even though we may disagree on a few things, least we can have intelligent debates.
-Your Friend Liquid
Originally posted by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy
Plus you can't trust everything you read on the net.
I know more about this than I am revealing, ........
Originally posted by andpau66
Originally posted by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy
Plus you can't trust everything you read on the net.
I know more about this than I am revealing, ........
lol, I love that statement LoD. You say not to believe everything on the net yet... your entire post is just a copy & paste job. And the source website is called Korea Web Weekly. Oh yeah, very reliable .
If you know more about this then your revealing then why not stop just copying & pasting from some Korean website and tell us the stuff you know.
Originally posted by andpau66
Originally posted by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy
Plus you can't trust everything you read on the net.
I know more about this than I am revealing, ........
lol, I love that statement LoD. You say not to believe everything on the net yet... your entire post is just a copy & paste job. And the source website is called Korea Web Weekly. Oh yeah, very reliable .
If you know more about this then your revealing then why not stop just copying & pasting from some Korean website and tell us the stuff you know.