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Bush's Next War - North Korea: A War Scenario

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posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 12:15 PM
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Bush's Next War - North Korea: A War Scenario
Korea WebWeekly (Feb 24, 2003) -- While claiming that North Korea's nuclear issue will be resolved peacefully, Bush has been placing his military strike forces in place for a war with North Korea. US B52 and B2 strategic bombers on Guam are loaded with nuclear bombs and ready to take off at any time. The US Navy Carl Vinson nuclear carrier task force is within bombing range of North Korea - but outside the range of North Korea's Scud-Bs. Several US nuclear subs are already positioned in the East and West seas to fire nuclear missiles at North Korean targets.

Over 100,000 American troops, backed up by 600,000 South Korean and Japanese troops, are on the ready to invade North Korea. Japan has declared that it has the legal right to mount preemptive strikes on North Korea and has placed warships in the East Sea. Japanese troops have made several practice runs to occupy Pyongyang. The US military's first priority is to knock out North Korea's nuclear weapons, biochemical warheads, and missiles. Smart bombs and ground-penetrating nuclear weapons will be fired from strategic bombers and nuclear submarines.

The initial air attacks will be followed by close-range air attacks by Japanese, South Korean and US fighters. The air attacks will be followed by naval bombardments and Inchon-style landings of Japanese, South Korean and US special forces near Pyongyang and Hungnam. Massive ground forces led by several thousands tanks will cross the DMZ and race to the Yalu and Tumen borders. Such is Bush's war plan.

The unholy alliance of South Korean troops and Korea's archenemy - Japanese - reminds one of the last Chosen king who had invited Japanese troops to put down the Tonghak rebels. The Japanese troops murdered tens of thousands of Koreans and many Chosen army officers and soldiers joined to the rebels to fight the Japanese invaders. Will the history repeat itself? President Roh Moo Hyung says no war in Korea - but he is not the decision maker. Will he order his troops to fight the Japanese 'ally'?

How would North Korea deal with the Japan-Seoul-US allied invasion?

Kim Jong Il will strike first at the first sure sign of invasion. His army and people have been waiting for the moment for over half a century and will be much pleased to kill some Japanese and Yanks. Kim has over one million soldiers, more than 8,000 heavy guns that fire 300,000 shells loaded with biochemicals per hour, and missiles that can hit Japan and Los Angeles, Seattle, and other major American cities. It is believed that North Korean missiles hidden in caves are already loaded with WMD warheads and ready to go.

North Korea has more than 5,000 tons of biochemical agents, including sarin, anthrax, smallpox and the plague. The US CIA says North Korea has 1 or 2, or 4-5 or 7-8 'crude' nuclear bombs. North Korea's nuclear program dates back to 1950 and it would be naive to believe that North Korea has managed to produce only 1-2 or 7-8 bombs during half a century. The truth of the matter is that North Korea may have helped Pakistan and Iran with nuclear weaponry. A Pakistani nuclear scientist has admitted that North Korea's nuclear program is far more advanced than the Pak program and that it is nonsensical to claim that Pakistan gave nuclear secrets to North Korea. It was probably the other way around.

The most potent weapon North Korea has is its special forces that number over 100,000 - the largest in the world. These troops are trained for suicide missions. North Korea has about 100 submarines, several hundreds transport planes, semi-submersible high-speed boats and other means of transportation that can inject its special forces into Japanese cities and the coastal cities of America.

At the start of war, Kim Jong Il is most likely to fire all of his WMD missiles on Japan and the US homeland. US naval task forces and submarines will be hit with anti-ship cruise missiles and nuclear-chemical Scuds. His artillery would open up on military targets along the DMZ and the rear-area troop concentrations. Contrary to the US claim, Kim is unlikely to hit Seoul except the US 8th Army base at Yongsan. Likewise, his army is unlikely to invade South Korea - instead, they would stay put in their well-fortified bunkers to defend the homeland against the invading armies.

Kim's forces will hunker down for a long war of attrition. His army is well equipped with anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles. North Korea has a large number of anti-ship cruise missiles. At least 30% - if not more - of Kim's dug-in military is likely to survive US nuclear attacks and be alive to repel the invading forces. North Korea has over 2 million well-armed militia tasked to defend their towns and villages in support of the regular armed forces.

After Kim's initial missile and artillery attacks, several thousand suicide squads would spring into action at the same time and attack targets in Japan and in the United States. Kim's air force and navy will be tasked to transport the kamikaze squads to their destinations. It is possible that many of them are already in place. The suicide squads are trained to attack nuclear facilities, dams, chemical plants and storage tanks, oil depots, power stations, gas pipelines, bridges, tunnels and so on. Their mission is to cause as many casualties among the civilian populace. A dozen or so suicide terrorists were responsible for the 9.11 that killed 3,000 or so people - now imagine 100,000 suicide terrorists attacking several thousand targets at the same time!

According to a Japanese intelligence source, North Korea has a secret plan to hit Tokyo with Rodong missiles loaded with chemicals first and then a large special force unit will occupy it as a hostage. Other cities in Japan may be attacked similarly. If enough cities are held as hostages, the allied may be forced to sue for peace.

As far as the nuclear bombs go, North Korea's primary targets would be American cities, if it had only a few nukes. On the other hand, if Kim has one hundred or more nukes, Japanese cities would be hit as well. Kim is unlikely to nuke South Korean targets, but instead, he will use conventional weapons in South Korea.

It is likely that Kim Jong Il and most of his troops would die but there would be enough hardcore troops left alive to carry on the fight. Millions will die in Korea. Kim will see to it that many more millions will die in Japan and in the United States. Bush's generals apparently believe that beating Kim will be a cake-walk. Bush may not have to wait too long to learn the truth.

www.kimsoft.com...

"They have the largest submarine force, the largest special operating force and the largest artillery in the world," Army Gen. Leon LaPorte, commander of U.S. forces in South Korea said. He noted that North Korea has 120,000 special operations forces. (...) Perhaps more importantly, North Korea poses a significant asymmetric threat. The country possesses chemical weapons, and "their doctrine is to use chemical weapons as a standard munition," LaPorte said. American officials are also concerned about North Korea's weapons of mass destruction, including potential use of its 800 missiles of various ranges. "The missiles themselves are a significant asymmetrical threat," LaPorte said. "But if that was combined with a nuclear capability, now you have a capability that not only threatens the peninsula but threatens the entire region."
www.command-post.org...

Many people doubt North Korea’s military capability, and think a war with North Korea would be a cake walk in the park. Those people should wake up! We DO NOT want to mess with North Korea. If we did it could lead to another world war, and a nuclear holocaust. North Korea has an elite special force squad ready to annihilate America.




posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 12:36 PM
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If North Korea attacked America with nuclear bombs, and had it's special forces taking over American cities then most likely FEMA would take over, and Martial law would be declared. Suspending our Constitutional rights.
Then that could lead to a civil war in America, between it's people, and it's government. What would you do in such a scenario?



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 12:55 PM
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Someone please post your thoughts on this matter. I would like to read them.



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 12:59 PM
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If martial law were declared as a result of an invasion I seriously doubt it would cause an internal civil war.

Also, the US is so large, that if martial law were declared it would likely be regional and more to prevent people from getting hurt than the oppress them.

It's kinda sad that we only had about 10 years in there when I didn't have to worry about a nuclear holocaust :-(



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 01:07 PM
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Erm, maybe this wasn't a good day to post a mature thread.



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 02:01 PM
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Yadda Yadda Yadda, sounds like all the doomsday speculation from 1990-1991

Wars are faught based on coordination/communication.

The USA owns the high ground there. Your speculation is just that. America will not start a war on the pennisula, it has no motivation to do so. Like it or not China is a budding world power and will be the real world police in that area.

The alternative is Japan, and nobody wants to see them tear loose again.



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 03:33 PM
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Anymore opinions would be great.



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 04:24 PM
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North Korea does not have the ability to attack the united states, or atleast the continental united states. Worst case scenario would be N.Korea lobs a bomb or god forbid a nuclear weapon at japan, then japan, S.Korea and the United States (Along with whoever else was outraged by the unprovoked attack of a peaceful nation) decide to attack N.Korea, and N.Korea calls for its only "Ally", China. Now China does conceivably have the means to attack the continental United States, but remember, this is worst case scenario. Most likely if N.Korea made an aggressive act, China would not openly back them since its been rumored lately that China is getting just as sick of N.Korea as the rest of the world is, and i dont think China likes the idea of Kim Jong Il with nukes in thier backyard any more than the world likes the idea of him having nukes period.

I also do not think that if a war did break out S.Korea would attack Japan, since they are now allys and on good terms, and they both have the same enemy if such a situation arises. It would be counter productive for them to attack japan while japan is helping them to regain thier entire country.

In my opinion, if war did break out, it would not be a long dragged out war like the "war" in iraq has been. S.Korea cant afford this since most of thier most populated cities are right on the border of N.Korea and have missiles aimed at them. If war does break out, i think it will consist of a couple hours/days of heavy, heavy tactical bombing from air and sea, followed by United States, S.Korean and Japanese troops moving in and clearing out any other threats. The war would be relatively easy to fight compared to iraq and afganistan because unlike those 2 countries, the N.Koreans have a real defined army, and insurgents wouldnt be as much of a problem.

I dont think a war will break out any time soon though, because despite what Kim Jong Il says, i think he realises he couldnt take on those three countries alone and he wouldnt make an aggressive move. Maybe in a few more years when and if China officially drops ties with N.Korea in an attempt to improve relations with the West, the US and other countries will make a move. But until then i dont think anyone wants to do it just because there is the chance that if N.Korea is attacked, China may step in, and no one wants to see a war between thier country and China.



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 05:48 PM
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I think you are doubting N. Korea's Capabilities .

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posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 07:10 PM
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Good God, where to begin.....


Originally posted by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy
Bush's Next War - North Korea: A War Scenario
Korea WebWeekly (Feb 24, 2003) -- While claiming that North Korea's nuclear issue will be resolved peacefully, Bush has been placing his military strike forces in place for a war with North Korea. US B52 and B2 strategic bombers on Guam are loaded with nuclear bombs and ready to take off at any time.


No they are not. The USAF does not keep their aircraft on stand by with nuclear weapons on board. This is an out right lie. Though they may be ready to take off with nuclear weapons at short notice, this is not targeted at anyone in particular. They have plans to attack China, North Korea and anyone else in the region.


The US Navy Carl Vinson nuclear carrier task force is within bombing range of North Korea - but outside the range of North Korea's Scud-Bs.


So what? We have our CBGs in that area all the time. We have 3 very good allies within the area - South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan. This is not anything out of the ordinary - in fact, I would not be surprised if US carriers had been in this area for 50 years. As for the fact that they are out of Scud range - no #. What military in their right mind would put a multibillion dollar pieve of equipment loaded with thousands of soldiers and hundreds of millions of dollars worth of aircraft within range of Kim nutcases missles? A five year old could figure that out.


Several US nuclear subs are already positioned in the East and West seas to fire nuclear missiles at North Korean targets.


Again, this is just standard patrol. They aren't there JUST to attack NK, they are there because it allows them to fire on China, Rusia, etc. This is nothing out of the ordinary what so ever.


Over 100,000 American troops, backed up by 600,000 South Korean and Japanese troops, are on the ready to invade North Korea.


And North Korea has over a million men ready to invade south Korea. Besides, there AREN'T 100,000 US soldiers there - thats another lie. And Japan CERTAINLY does not have any significant number of troops in south korea.


Japan has declared that it has the legal right to mount preemptive strikes on North Korea and has placed warships in the East Sea.


Good for them! Maybe they wouldn't be so worried if North Korea hadn't test fired long range nuclear capable missles over Japan! If I were Japan I would be begging to take North Korea out.


Japanese troops have made several practice runs to occupy Pyongyang.


And the Russians practiced taking on the US, and the US practiced taking on everyone, and North Korea has practiced taking on South Korea. It's called 'War Games' and they are VERY common.



The US military's first priority is to knock out North Korea's nuclear weapons, biochemical warheads, and missiles.


As it should be if we were to attack them.



Smart bombs and ground-penetrating nuclear weapons will be fired from strategic bombers and nuclear submarines.


No nuclear weapons will be used, the US doesn't need to use nuclear weapons. All that would do would creat a bunch of political problems.


The initial air attacks will be followed by close-range air attacks by Japanese, South Korean and US fighters.


Standard operating procedure.


The air attacks will be followed by naval bombardments and Inchon-style landings of Japanese, South Korean and US special forces near Pyongyang and Hungnam.


First of all, the US doesn't even use Naval bombardment anymore. We don't have any battle ships anymore. All we use are cruise missles and attack aircraft, so clearly this is wrong. Also, why in the flying # would the US, Japan, and South Korea land all of their best troops in a country we just nuked? The BS meter is going off the charts.



Massive ground forces led by several thousands tanks will cross the DMZ and race to the Yalu and Tumen borders. Such is Bush's war plan.


Because there are thousands of tanks stationed there? Wait - THERE AREN'T! How could this happen then ?!?!?!?!?!


The unholy alliance of South Korean troops and Korea's archenemy - Japanese - reminds one of the last Chosen king who had invited Japanese troops to put down the Tonghak rebels.


*sniff* I smell propaganda!


The Japanese troops murdered tens of thousands of Koreans and many Chosen army officers and soldiers joined to the rebels to fight the Japanese invaders. Will the history repeat itself? President Roh Moo Hyung says no war in Korea - but he is not the decision maker. Will he order his troops to fight the Japanese 'ally'?


Kim himself has murdered more people then Japan ever has, and again, this is clearly a propaganda piece.



How would North Korea deal with the Japan-Seoul-US allied invasion?


They wouldn't - they would get their butts kicked.

The Rest is just garbage...



Many people doubt North Korea’s military capability, and think a war with North Korea would be a cake walk in the park. Those people should wake up! We DO NOT want to mess with North Korea. If we did it could lead to another world war, and a nuclear holocaust. North Korea has an elite special force squad ready to annihilate America.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

'An elite SF squad ready to annihilate America'


NK military is a JOKE compared to the US, this post is a JOKE, and you are a JOKE for buying it.

NK doesn't stand a chance against the US. If NK could 'annihilate' the US, they would have taken the south by now. Sure, they have a few nukes and a big army, but they have absolutely no force projection - thus they can't touch the US mainland.

Also, their air power is a small fraction of that of just the US NAVY, never mind the whole US airforce.



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 08:20 PM
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My thoughts?

If the US does that it would lead us right into World War 3... that's it!

Why?

North Korea is the direct neighbor of China and Russia, and it has the capacity to nuke Japan within minutes. Both Russai and China would never accept the US attacking a country that so close to their borders and they would retaliate without any question... and by air attack (may it be conventional attack or nuke bombing of the US, even tho I really doubt Moscow of Beijing would be crazy enough to start a nulcear war).

A war on North Korea is unjustified, would be extremely expensive and would be even more dangerous for world peace. North Korea does have the potential to make any substantial attack on America, and all the bullsh-t that's being said in the mainstream media about North Korea producing long range nukes is of the very same kind of deceptive propaganda which was used to brainwash millions of Americans for supporting the war on Iraq.



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
Good God, where to begin.....

NK military is a JOKE compared to the US, this post is a JOKE, and you are a JOKE for buying it.

NK doesn't stand a chance against the US. If NK could 'annihilate' the US, they would have taken the south by now. Sure, they have a few nukes and a big army, but they have absolutely no force projection - thus they can't touch the US mainland.

Also, their air power is a small fraction of that of just the US NAVY, never mind the whole US airforce.



There are a lot of flaws in your statement that lacks evidence to back up your claims. Instead of wasting my time arguing with you, I’d like to ask you have you ever been stationed in north Korea, and seen it's military capabilities? Do you understand the culture of north Korea and how it's economy functions? I’m not talking about what MSNBC, or FOX news says, or what you might have read in the newspaper. Every penny North Korea gets goes to its military. They take young boys and train them to become elite killing machines. They are not afraid to die. have you EVER seen some of their special operations in action? have you ever been through some of their military training? In north Korea, you are basically no one, and poor, starve, unless you join the military. Then there; will you least have some honor. Are you in special operations, special forces? Have you ever been in north Korea? have you ever had top secret classified information on north Korea and it's military?
People like you, are the same people who get their pride smacked in their face, because you over look others and their capabilities. I wouldn't be surprised if north Korea’s regular army is equivalent to our special operations. I know you will probably respond in harassment, but the key here is to deny ignorance, and that my friend you failed to do.

your friend

-Liquid









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posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy
I think you are doubting N. Korea's Capabilities .

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I think this is the closest to reality you've been in this thread. I absolutely doubt that paper tigers capabilities. this isn't the 1950's.



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 09:10 PM
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Okay Americans, so shall we all agree if we got in a war with North Korea, it'd be a cake walk in the park?
Okay, get me a blanket so I can wrap myself in ignorance.. because that is how I feel now.

Lets all agree north korea is a joke
their army is a joke
and we could destory them easily.

Lets also agree that the titantic can never sink, it is an unsinkable ship


"America the undestroyable country full of ignorance and pride"



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posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy
Have you ever been in north Korea? have you ever had top secret classified information on north Korea and it's military?
People like you, are the same people who get their pride smacked in their face, because you over look others and their capabilities. I wouldn't be surprised if north Korea’s regular army is equivalent to our special operations. I know you will probably respond in harassment, but the key here is to deny ignorance, and that my friend you failed to do.

your friend

-Liquid



Have you been to NK? Do you have top secret info on NK's military?
Why are you defending them so much?







If North Korea attacked America with nuclear bombs, and had it's special forces taking over American cities

lol
1. If NK attacked America cities with nuclear bombs (not possible btw unless you're talking about Alaska or Hawaii), the US would quickly wipe NK off the map.

2. NK special forces taking over US cities?

How? Seriously, how? That's not even remotely possible.
They'd have to first get over here without being killed. Then they'd have to take fight their way into cities without being killed. Then they'd have to hold cities without being killed. Neither one is close to being a possibility.
If they sent their regular army, they wouldn't be able to do it.



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 09:20 PM
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You are seriously overestimating NK's military and severely underestimating the US military.
If you said NK, China, and Russia...then you'd have an argument.


If NK nuked us or our allies, they wouldn't stand a chance alone.



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 09:23 PM
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OK LoD, the primary problem with the North Koreans is their lack of food and fuel. They would have to move fast and hard before either ran out, so do they run for it into the meat-grinder or sit there and get picked apart by precision weapons?

The US doesn't have to attack everything just the essentials like power, water, communications, etc.

A volley of MOABs on artillery positions will work just fine.

North Korean brute force ideology is no match for modern slice and dice warfare.

Just because they have a lot of men and armament doesn't really mean much anymore. Its tough to supply them, feed them, and coordinate with them, which are very relevant wartime concerns.

The North Koreans just suffer from modern day penis envy, or mine's bigger than yours, but big doesn't matter if you can't get it up and use it.

Personally, I don't think the chinese care, because the north koreans are an embarrassing ally.

The chinese may gamble on jumping down Taiwan's throat if the US turned its back long enough.

Besides LoD, you sound like a North Korean propaganda machine if I didn't know better.

Know this, the US will handily unpack their new toys for this one and give them a good dose of the "what for".


apc

posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 09:24 PM
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Every penny North Korea gets goes to its military.

It's a small jar...


They take young boys and train them to become elite killing machines.

So do we.. the Marines.

I don't know what is going to happen in Korea, and I don't care. For all I know they will be left alone to implode. They have no major resource that would require invasion to obtain. If I recall it was Roosevelt who said war over oil in the Middle East was inevitable.. for anything to happen in Korea it would have to be either retaliation against NK, or totally political.



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 09:29 PM
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Yes, but N. Korea has underground bunkers that could with stand a Nuclear attack. Plus I didn't know I had to add china, ect, because it figures you'd already know n. korea might have some sort of allie. I am not under estimating the United States military, I am just trying to make the point do not under estimate North Korea's military. As to answer your above ?'s as if I had any special operations experience or know of people who do, I will not comment on that. It seems like you think we could step on n. korea and crush them like ants in the sand... along with their allies.

That keeps reminding me of the ignorance of saying
"Titantic will never sink!"


-Your friend Liquid

P.S. I respect your different opinions, so lets not harass each other.

& yes I am a N. Korea propaganda machine living in the Us. (You found me)
No not really.
I'm just surprised at how you guys think we could crush n. korea so easily.

Why knows maybe we can? Lets not step in that country thinking that though. My only point is this, do not ever underestimate the enemy.



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posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 10:09 PM
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I think you are doubting N. Korea's Capabilities .


I think youre VASTLY overestimating thier capabilities.

1) No one is even sure that N.Korea has nukes. Yes theyve been saying "Nya nya we have them" for a while, but theyve yet to test any of them. So even if they have nukes, they might not work.

2) North Korea cant send a missile any farther than Japan (Yes, even nukes, if they have them), which is not really that far away. Its not anywhere near far enough for people to be worried about them hitting North America with missiles anytime in the near future.

3) N.Korea has manpower, but they dont have the money or technology to make them a real opponent. They also fight conventionally (If thier training is any indication, which id say it most certainly is) which the US and other countries armies are much better at fighting.

4) North korea does not have the "Special forces" ability that you speak of, and even so, they dont have enough to take over a city. Theres no possible way they could take over an entire city with special forces. Plus like someone else mentioned, how are they going to get over here? Itd either have to be by boat or by plane, and with how closely boats and planes are tracked, im sure theyd have problems getting 10000+ special forces agents over here unnoticed.

And also like i said before, its highly unlikely that China would assist N.Korea, theres just nothing in it for them. Honestly, what does N.Korea bring to the table in the friendship between them and China? They dont have resources, they dont have technology, and they dont have any mass manufacturing capability. Its even less likely Russia would assist them, theyred have to be some pretty heavy goading by China to get them into that.



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