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The Great Lie of 2003

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posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 08:07 AM
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There is no immenant downfall...all major players have their hidden agenda's....its always been a part of our system...im not saying it right...but its a constant...




posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 08:10 AM
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I can agree with you. People sound like they are just accepting it. That will be our downfall.



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by Darthswan
Smallpeeps,

Since you can't see what I'm talking about, it's been in the news, the little coverage that it does get,

THE WAR IN IRAQ WAS A LIE. To get in front of the world and say what was said, and it is not tru, what does that make it. Yeah, yeah, everyone is blaming the intelligence agencies. Well we have to take a look at who who use to be in charge of these intelligence agencies.

If I had the top secret clearance to provide docs, i would. But since I don't, I can't

Bordnlazy,


It shows. As far as I'm concerned, "conspiracy theory" as you put it is a term that Neo cons love to use. What more information do you want? Do you want quotes out of the 600 pages. This goes back to my previous statement, If I had the top secret clearance to provide docs, i would. But since I don't, I can't.

I posed a question, referring me to another website shows a lot.

Now, if you read what I said fully, I said, "Bush was head of the CIA. When did intelligence go wrong?"

The CIA's job is to lie. I don't know what happy world you live in but, when you make a response and relate back to something make sure you relate back to the whole statement.

"A little game", I'm sorry I don't see anything funny about what was said. This latest commissions findings are disturbing, and if you can't see the GREAT LIE OF 2003, there is nothing much that can be said.

Please have a nice day.

KLS

[edit on 1-4-2005 by Darthswan]



Now you do understand that i originally asked you very politely ,what you were talking about, what was your response?

Originally posted by Darthswan

Originally posted by bordnlazy


What exactly is the great lie of 2003? your post isn't too clear on what it is your trying to say. I would like to hear more.


If you had to ask that question, I don't think anything I could say would explain to you. Just in case, the war we are in, intelligence. Lie after lie after lie.

KLS


If I have to ask that question ,nothing you say can explain it to me? Now thats rude, when you post on here You need to be as clear as you can so people can understand what you are talking about. If you re-read your first post You Were not clear at all, now that being said you can label me a Neo-con if you want, if that makes you feel better. GO FOR IT. As for the happy world i live in it's very very happy thank you.

The Great Lie of 2003 there were plenty of big lies in 2003,2004,2005 and there will be even more lies in 2006. Of course you don't see that , you expect people to automatically see and assume exactly what you are thinking.

Do i find the subject matter interesting... Yes, People are just accepting everything they are being told and the ones that don't accept it are doing their best to ignore it. THere is alot more things going on behind the scenes than there was even Ten years ago. An agenda is already being pushed on us and it seems as if it already too late to do anything about it.


What are you talking about "what starts NoW?" you speak as if you know something if you know it just state it. otherwise why are you here?


[edit on 1-4-2005 by bordnlazy]



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 12:32 PM
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LOLOLOL.

I laughed when i read your comment.

I will break it down for you in the simplest form.

Lie = 1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2 : to create a false or misleading impression

I like #2 better. This is from Merriam Webster(m-w.com)

The information that was told to us was a LIE

The case that was made for us to go into this unjust war was a LIE.

The 1600 troops that defended this LIE aren't coming back.

This Administration likes to LIE.


I hope I made that as clear as possible.

We actually agree on something, people are believing what ever they here.

Now = Revelation

Yes it has been going on for awhile but we are ever getting so close.

You can answer me one question, are you an independent?



posted on Apr, 1 2005 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by Darthswan
LOLOLOL.

I laughed when i read your comment.

I will break it down for you in the simplest form.

Lie = 1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2 : to create a false or misleading impression

I like #2 better. This is from Merriam Webster(m-w.com)

The information that was told to us was a LIE

The case that was made for us to go into this unjust war was a LIE.

The 1600 troops that defended this LIE aren't coming back.

This Administration likes to LIE.


I hope I made that as clear as possible.

We actually agree on something, people are believing what ever they here.

Now = Revelation

Yes it has been going on for awhile but we are ever getting so close.

You can answer me one question, are you an independent?



Well i'm not a republican and i'm not a democrat so i guess that makes me an independant.
Again i'm detecting a bit of condescendence in the manner in which you explained yourself.

[edit on 1-4-2005 by bordnlazy]



posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 05:40 PM
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Your detection is a little bit off, but this is a "free society." As long as I answered your question? It is very important for people to do that, it's not done much these days.

K



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 11:44 AM
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This Darthswan seems to be quite a piece of work. I'm trying to figure out who he's mad at....

He shares information like we live inside his head.....talks down to people when they have no idea what he is talking about because he doesn't communicate very well....which I guess is somehow our fault?

We all know there's been hidden agends in Iraq...that's old news Darthswan.....Iraq is the Vietnam for the new Century.....tell us something we don't know.....and in a manner which we can comprehend, because again, we don't live inside your head!



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 01:25 PM
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Okay, you are right, you don't live inside of my head. Throughout the original point, intelligence, was the great lie that I was referring to. This thread was posted right after the report was released. Excuse me for thinking everyone is not looking at the intelligence problem. From the previous responses, I never ever assume people's brain level.

No you want to know what i am mad at.....

People who don't answer any questions period. In that first thread, I posed questions, none were answered. Instead, people asked the question what lie was i referring to.

THE INTELLIGENCE BLUNDER OF 2003.

I hope that helped.




posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by bordnlazy

Originally posted by Darthswan
How will be held responsible inside the intelligence agency? They are already telling us what I already knew. If I knew that, and don't have top level clearance.

Bush was head of the CIA. When did intelligence go wrong?

We don't have credible intelligence on anyone else. Again when did the intelligence go wrong?

Be easy,

KLS

"It starts now"



What exactly is the great lie of 2003? your post isn't too clear on what it is your trying to say. I would like to hear more.


I think he might be referring to the iraq war, we invaded iraq in 2002/2003, and weres still not back yet. Well here's hoping that the rest of the toops come back.



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 02:25 PM
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All you need to know, at this point, was written out in Masked Avatar's post.
It's rare, children, when "he who knows at ATS" spells it out with such straight-forward simplicit ease. Show your thanks for his "grandmotherly kindess"............

Perhaps, we now have the answer to the question of what the worlds richest and most powerful decide to do when they meet for Bildeberger.


There is no enemy anywhere - Lao Tse

(but this is only for those who truly believe there are enemies)

[edit on 5-4-2005 by Voice_of Doom]



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by malakiem

Originally posted by bordnlazy

Originally posted by Darthswan
How will be held responsible inside the intelligence agency? They are already telling us what I already knew. If I knew that, and don't have top level clearance.

Bush was head of the CIA. When did intelligence go wrong?

We don't have credible intelligence on anyone else. Again when did the intelligence go wrong?

Be easy,

KLS

"It starts now"



What exactly is the great lie of 2003? your post isn't too clear on what it is your trying to say. I would like to hear more.


I think he might be referring to the iraq war, we invaded iraq in 2002/2003, and weres still not back yet. Well here's hoping that the rest of the toops come back.


INTELLIGENCE FAILURE



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 04:26 PM
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But, I get the point. Obviously, one of two possiblities have arised. 1, The CIA did know, but was told by managment and the present administration not to act on that information. 2, Someone at the top of management or the adminstration has another agenda that allowed for the "terror attack(s)" to happen. And if anyone can think of another, tell me. Btw, Like the new sig. ?



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by Voice_of Doom
All you need to know, at this point, was written out in Masked Avatar's post.
It's rare, children, when "he who knows at ATS" spells it out with such straight-forward simplicit ease. Show your thanks for his "grandmotherly kindess"............



Thankyou Voice_of Doom for the process of distillation.

I see it this way. The truth can stick out like dog's balls, but most people don't look at dog's balls for more than a moment because they are conditioned not to look at dog's balls.

The Bush administration puts the worst looking dogs' balls on display every day, and the conditioning works.



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 06:03 PM
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That's just bullocks MA!


Why is someone (2 years later) trying to sell "intelligence failure"? Everyone knows the war was planned in advance. PNACly speaking, of course. The point is, that was 2 years ago. There's still a war in Iraq. Old USSR pieces are dropping like flies. And a host of other agendas are playing out at every level.

That's a way to get points though. Make an incoherant thread then act like you explained yourself and that somehow no one else knows about it.

How can you people just sit around when it's obvious the British had a hand in bringing about the Civil War! I know it's difficult to comprehend but believe me. It's a conspiracy.



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource
That's just bullocks MA!




Never mind the bullocks, here's the dog's testicles.

[ = BOLLOCKS ]



I have not heard anyone at ATS say of late that the Bush administration DID NOT LIE about the reasons for invading Iraq.

Disinformation and denial merchants are hasbeens. The moral patch that they now occupy, about the necessity to depose a tyrannical dictator in the form of Saddam Hussein, is shrinking as the weeds in their garden of unearthly war profiteering and delights are pulled out.

The media, and finally, the mushrooms, will follow.



posted on Apr, 5 2005 @ 06:53 PM
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Ah, the mushroom syndrome. Keep 'em in the dark and feed 'em bull#.



posted on Apr, 6 2005 @ 02:49 AM
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Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource
Ah, the mushroom syndrome. Keep 'em in the dark and feed 'em bull#.



since we know stuff of this nature......what does it take for you to be fed up? I mean, all this stuff the government would call a conspiracy is not a conspiracy, but truth just chopped up in tiny pieces with the wind blowing. so again I ask, with Bush obviously gearing the world for a new order, do we accept it? do we continue to post on the message board, or do we plan and strategize? just curious, that's all. cause if we are going to just post messages, I'll work on getting my life right. cause He is coming.......soon.



posted on Apr, 6 2005 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by killuminatinow

Originally posted by ShadowHasNoSource
Ah, the mushroom syndrome. Keep 'em in the dark and feed 'em bull#.



since we know stuff of this nature......what does it take for you to be fed up? I mean, all this stuff the government would call a conspiracy is not a conspiracy, but truth just chopped up in tiny pieces with the wind blowing. so again I ask, with Bush obviously gearing the world for a new order, do we accept it? do we continue to post on the message board, or do we plan and strategize? just curious, that's all. cause if we are going to just post messages, I'll work on getting my life right. cause He is coming.......soon.



Looking at the situations objectively I do not see anything that can be done. Think about how very few people know what's going on, compared with the majority. Out of these, think about how many are in the position to do something (financially, physically, etc.). Out of these, think about how many have families they have to take care of. The numbers are not in favor of doing anything other than post messages and go about our daily lives.

I was fed up long ago. I couldn't change anything then or now. There are too many people with a vested interest in the current social-political-economic structure for there to be any positive change. I tried to help stop a company from going under. Even talked to the CEO. No good. Everyone kept doing what they were doing. It didn't matter that they were hurting their own interests. It was simply easier to continue than to change.

People are lazy. People are dishonest with themselves. People see what they want to see. People look for outside authority. With this general human disposition there can really be no other way events could have turned out. Everything, right now, is exactly how everyone has helped it to be. Myself included.

My revolution was personal. It doesn't interfere with anyone's agenda. And it keeps my emotions even. I no longer get mad when I think about how we have all been sold out.



posted on Apr, 6 2005 @ 01:31 PM
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well damn...........well put. I understand how you can say that because I am almost at that point. I am really anticipating the rapture, but then I guess that depends on ones belief. it is just amazing to me how the media finally says that Bush is wrong with intelligence and other diplomatic choices, but still justifies his reasoning and no one questions it. but they still want to hang Clinton, who is apart of this as well, for getting some head. I know that both acts, committed by Bush and Clinton were wrong, but I would rather get head than have more than a million bodies on my hand. and when I say no one, I mean those who actually stay in the political limelight. I know they are all good ole' boys and that's why they aren't saying anything......but the commentators too? Rather? Jennings? none of them speak on Bush and his dealings with Skull and Bones and the Bilderbergers/Illuminati, like it doesn't exist. New World Order isn't a conspiracy, it's in its beginning stages. they are practicing martial law and mental conditioning for globalization. Any major attack, at least, within the last 15 years has been caused by Bush family. and the reason I say that is because eyewitness accounts have stated that they have heard bombs explode at the WTC '93, Oklahoma bombing, 9/11, court shooting in Atlanta. in all of those instances, they practiced martial law. and I can hear, well Clinton was president for the first two attacks. but don't forget, Clinton also looked like Bush 41's twin at the Superbowl and is currently trying to take over the U.N.

so with all that said, somebody knows somebody that knows somebody. can you tie this in biblically? if so, maybe that's the point. I mean, if we can't stop it, what is the only other solution. alerting and saving souls? cause it's really about beating the devil at his own game........since his rule of the world is coming to an end..........as always, just curious...........



posted on Apr, 6 2005 @ 02:03 PM
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I think this thread is really useless, of course 99% of ATS know that the intelligence reports were false and that the war was pre-planned, so whats the point of this?
By the way, if anyone wants to stop the NWO with such great passion, writing posts on a forum aint going to do anything.....
The world is more corrupt than anyone on here can even imagine, the depths of corruption are endless. Now what are we going to do about this? Start useless posts depicting the obvious? Or pick up arms and get rid of the weed of corruption? But hey even if all anti-nwo surporters do this....im sure the world would decay into anarchy for awhile, and for awhile people will experience "FREE WILL" then decide again that free will is over rated and that we should start up a commuinty meeting (tribal council) to figure out a way to protect their children from the people who are robbing and killing in the anarchy state. Then this community meeting (tribal council) will become bigger, and befor you know it, it will become like a ancient greek democracy, then maybe a republic where this community we will need seek out new land and resources. Then a monarchy, then a communist state, then what we have now a "democracy" or as i like to call it a elitist monarchy. Then this elite will start thinking of globalization.

My point to this is, its all a circle. Whats happening now has happend befor and will happen again. So just go with the flow of things cause you cannot change anything.
Ohh by the way under anarchy is the only time you experience free will.....dont be conned by all of bushs speechs, you dont have free will, your choices are made for you.




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