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The Minutemen: an idea long overdue

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posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 08:17 PM
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Byrd, don't you think that is already happening. Here is part of the text of a documentary to be aired on CNN April 17th. CNN PRESENTS has produced a one-hour documentary that is focused on the state of Georgia, illegal aliens and the consequences of their colonizing our republic.


KING: This is the house directly across the street from our home. A big family of six moved in and I found out that they were from Mexico. And I was very excited because I'm a fudia (ph). I wanted to go to a (UNINTELLIGIBLE) and I had great expectations of trading food with these people. But it turned out that they didn't want to socialize with anybody. They filled their house full of people. There -- at one time, there were 18 people living in this home.

I can remember my neighbors would call the police because of the parties. I never did. But I would look out of my window when the police arrived and I would see people jumping out of the windows and going over the fences and running for the woods. I called the INS fully expecting somebody to come screeching up in front of this house an hour later, apprehend the illegals and deport them. That was about six years ago. I called them several times that year. I have never gotten through to a person and I've never gotten a return phone call.

HINOJOSA: So D.A. stopped just calling immigration officials and started fighting, going all the way from Georgia to the Arizona border, to where he believes the problems begin, the seemingly impossible to control U.S. border with Mexico. D.A. scopes out the scene with the ranchers who live there.

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People are calling in to report violations all over the country and very little is done about it. What you are seeing in Arizona is the outlet for frustrated Americans because the Government is not really doing anything about the illegal immigration problem. Americans are losing their jobs and are tired of paying for illegal immigration. If the Government is not going to do anything then its citizens need to do something. I have respect for people that are willing to take a stand for what they believe is right.

Byrd, Do you consider it to be unmanly to take a stand on your principles?

[edit on 3-4-2005 by cryptorsa1001]




posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 08:19 PM
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Hello BYRDE
I live in Texas too. And if the problem would be solved by people snitching on employers for hiring illegals then we wouldn't have a problem ....would we...? People don't usually turn in employers. And alot of the illegals acquire false ID's... ss#, etc. so they look legal. The employer says I thought they were legal...Years back my husband applied for an auto loan, his credit was checked it came up on the computer that he was already purchashing a new truck, in North Texas. His ss# was being used. Identity theft is not new with them......I applaud the minute men. It's American and patriotic to protect America and our way of life. If by their efforts they keep out one murderer, one load of drugs, one terrorist, one rapist....then isn't it worth it????



posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by Byrd
Think how much BETTER this bunch would do if they would actually address the REAL problem of illegal immigration and go back to their own hometowns, hunt out the business owners who are hiring illegals, and sic the INS on those businesses.

Stopping the employers is a cheaper solution, too, and kills the root of the problem.


Byrd your solution has much merit, as does effective border patrol.

I think the solution to illegal immigration lies not in one method, rather it lies in a multi-pronged comprehensive approach that has a far better chance of success.



posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 08:26 PM
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Can I ask if someone from the US can explain why the US needs a militia running around at the border when it has guys in landrovers paid to do that?



posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 08:29 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
Can I ask if someone from the US can explain why the US needs a militia running around at the border when it has guys in landrovers paid to do that?


Simply put - there are not enough guys running around in landrovers to do the job at hand.



posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by Phoenix
Simply put - there are not enough guys running around in landrovers to do the job at hand.

Well why not apply for the government to increase the number of men/women running around in landrovers?
Would decrease unemployment (even if it is marginally) and would help the government the rewards might outweight the cost....
Just an idea from "across the pond"...



posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
Well why not apply for the government to increase the number of men/women running around in landrovers?


Alrady been tried and done. They asked for 2000 and only got 200, however since the minuteman are making them look like fools all of a sudden they have sent an additional 500 on temporary duty that is. Once the month of april is over they will only have 200 additional when it requires 2000



posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by shots
Alrady been tried and done. They asked for 2000 and only got 200, however since the minuteman are making them look like fools all of a sudden they have sent an additional 500 on temporary duty that is. Once the month of april is over they will only have 200 additional when it requires 2000

No I mean literally why dont they just offer people in job centres it?
People with no job getting paid to drive around in a land rover all day watching a line is an okay job....
how are they makeing them look like fools , just out of curiosity?



posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 09:26 PM
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That is a fair question.
It sounds easy, but the government is not willing to do anything about it at this time. There is a combination of reasons they won't do anything. Here are a couple, but not all of them.

1. America the free cannot reasonably keep calling itself that if it has a full blown military presence locking down the borders. That reeks of Communism, Fasisim, and the Tyrannical Monarchies that the United States fought to free itself from and wrote a constitiution to prevent.

2. There is a class thing involved. The wealthy, want the cheap labor to clean the house and do menial tasks.

3. It is a Corporation thing. America the free is the land of dreams of riches where the streets are paved with gold. A corporation stands to make a larger profit if it hires cheap labor, and free trade between North American Countries.

I myself am split 50 - 50 between rooting for the minutemen because of the constant flood, and the empathy for someone who is impoverished and trying to better himself by leaving his homeland.




posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 09:29 PM
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IMHO Seems rather idiotic that people are acutally getting up in arms to stop a few guys going over the border...why not just join the force therefore getting paid to do the same job?



posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 09:51 PM
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Some of them would not meet the qualification requirements, and have jobs already.

Besides there is something exilirating about joining a rouge organization that goes mildly against the government. As an added bonus just being out in the great wide open, sitting in a lawn chair watching the stars and having a pint.

A feeling of excitement not disimilar to posting on rouge websites that regularly post anti government sentiments I suppose.



[edit on 3-4-2005 by makeitso]



posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by cryptorsa1001

Mexico accused of abusing its illegals
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Notice Bush calling the minutemen vigilanties and then Alfonso Nieto saying that the US Government has asked for illegals.

Fox is a hyporcit. He does not allow illegal immigration into his country but he says he will sue Americans for protecting there own rights. Who the heck does he think he is?


Maybe the US should bill President Fox and the Mexican government for all the $millions$ of dollars in free services his citizens receive from the US at the tax payers expense.







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[edit on 4-4-2005 by ProudAmerican]



posted on Apr, 3 2005 @ 11:01 PM
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Great idea these minuteman guys have but its doomed to fail, its not going to be easy and its really up to the people and how detemined they are to stand their ground and not let the media or anybody else discourage them by doing a great service to the Country and protecting our borders.



posted on Apr, 4 2005 @ 02:34 AM
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Great point Byrd. I just feel bad for all those immigrants who can't get jobs.

I couldn't be the one to pull the trigger.



posted on Apr, 4 2005 @ 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
IMHO Seems rather idiotic that people are acutally getting up in arms to stop a few guys going over the border...why not just join the force therefore getting paid to do the same job?


But it is not just a few guys as you put it. For fiscal 2004, the Border Patrol, which is part of the Customs and Border Protection bureau in the Homeland Security Department, apprehended more than 1.1 million illegal immigrants trying to cross the Southwest border. Comparatively, 20,000 people were stopped at the Canadian border and the country's coasts.

Those are just the ones that got caught, many more get away each year and the number has grown steadyly each year for the past several decades. Depending on which source you use the figure would be 1 million each year on the low end with 2.2 million on the high end.

How would you like it if you had those numbers of illegals entering Scotland?



posted on Apr, 4 2005 @ 07:38 AM
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We already do have those kind of ammounts entering britain....
Ever been to birmingham?



posted on Apr, 4 2005 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
why not just join the force therefore getting paid to do the same job?

Because they are not hiring.
Basically, it comes down to a conspiracy. The minutemen side is saying that the government is intently and purposefully leaving the border 'porous' because they want high rates of illegal immigration. As to why, well, one end of the conspiracy spectrum says its part of a complex and clandestine plan to ultimately undermine the people and install a tyrannical government (you know, the usual stuff), while another end of the spectrum says its because they want these moderately unsupported illegals to pump money into the economy by receiving illegally low wages and filling positions that couldn't be filled by legal citizens (sort of like outsourcing in one way).

And then others would say that the government is just a bunch of stupid corrupt idiots who don't even understand that there is a problem nor have the competence to do anything about it too.



posted on Apr, 4 2005 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
We already do have those kind of ammounts entering britain....
Ever been to birmingham?


Now that seems odd since I have not seen those kinds of numbers meaning in the millions. I have seen where some in the UK want more border agents but no actual numbers that I can recall. Do you by chance have any figures? One thing I am sure is safe to assume they are not all hispanic that is for sure.



posted on Apr, 4 2005 @ 12:47 PM
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I still think a nice 20 meter wide, fenced off (both sides) minefield, with clear warning signs in English and Spanish would serve the needs nicely. It'd effectively end those border crossing attempts after just a couple of them try it.

This would mean people coming in would have to do so legitimately and through designated entry points. It would mean less manpower, and a much tighter clamp on what gets in through those checkpoints, with little risk of those crossing elsewhere. Not to mention, it'd be pretty damn cheap really. Other than pansies crying out and desiring streams of unchecked illegals across our borders, I really have no idea why this hasn't been done. Sorry, but if you climb or go through a 10' high, barbed wire fence, and then into a minefield, well....you deserve what you get. And if you get through, then hell, you've EARNED the right to stay!



posted on Apr, 4 2005 @ 12:57 PM
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It's funny to me that a bunch of drunken rednecks packing heat and sitting in lawn chairs can do a better job than the regular border patrol.

Peace



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