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Originally posted by muzzleflash
IQ scores are nothing but memorization exams
Originally posted by KyleChemist
IQ doesn't mean squat. I have a PhD in chemistry, I've worked in Argonne National Labs, Texas A & M, and some other places. EVERY place I have worked the people who I have been the MOST impressed with have been the technicians, most of whom don't even have college degrees.
Then what you meant is that college degrees don't mean squat.
I don't know if I would go THAT far, all I'm saying is that, in my career, the people I have learned the most from, been the most impressed with, and gotten along with best, have been people WITHOUT college degrees. So a college degree may be right for some people, but not right for others.
As far as this whole IQ thing goes. I graduated from one of the top universities in the nation, I have a Ph.D in chemistry, several scientific publications in peer reviewed journals, many awards from scientific societies for outstanding achievment, I've worked at Argonne National Labs and several other top research facilities, and have a well paying job in the science field. Yet EVERY standardizd/IQ test I have EVER taken says I'm below average/dumb. I was alomst held back in the fourth grade for dong so poorly on my states standardized test! How is this possible? Having a high IQ is great, kudos to those who do. But a strong work ethic, and the desire, determination, and dedication to succeed will outdo some scores on a test any day of the week.
[edit on 7-4-2005 by KyleChemist]
Originally posted by TheTruth123
The guy that said, in the army they take out inteligent people. Well the army is nothing more then heap of pawn's controled by a few mind's. Soilder are not think.
Originally posted by LiquidationOfDiscrepancy
How do geniuses with IQ's Of 140 - 200 think? How do you geniuses feel emotionally, socially, and what are your ideologies in life?
I would like to hear from posters who have official test results, and other forms of IQ test.
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However, I do not think that motivation and work ethic alone will overcome a lack of intelligence. It all needs to be there, especially if you are to accomplish the types of things that you have.
If you took IQ tests/standardized tests, scored below average, and still did all of those things, then I would say that the tests were bad (poorly administered, poorly constructed, incorrectly scored). IQ tests should help predict exactly the kind of outcome that you are talking about, and generally they do - but not always.
I can see how you would have little faith in IQ tests, because the ones you took obviously didn't do their job. However, there is no perfect test. There is always measurement error.
However, if you had so many problems with standardized tests, how did you get into graduate school? Many graduate schools use the GRE as a criterion for admission, because if you use it to predict later success, it can account for much more variance than GPA can.
I have a lot of faith in intelligence tests when they are administered and scored properly by a professional, but it's interesting to me when they don't work. I want to know what happened - why did the test fail in this case. These kind of cases can be used to improve tests and make them more accurate. It doesn't mean that they are complete crap and should never be used. Even if intelligence tests work 99% of the time, that 1% can really add up.