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How do people with IQs of 140 - 200 think?

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posted on Jul, 31 2005 @ 03:51 AM
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I say we're too damn smart for our own good, and need to work on our hearts. compassion, social issues, poverty, crime, pollution, ecological damage, etc. Hitler was a genius. Mother Teresa? I don't think anyone would care what her IQ was, it doesn't matter.
Love is the scarce quantity, whereas intellect is overripe, imho. We think we can solve anything, arrogant in our scientific prowess. Subdue nature, tame the earth.... like we are nature's masters, and not just bit players in natures whole scheme of things. Pride goeth before a fall.
I am a half decent chess player, when I am in the mood, the competitive, warrior, combative, cunning, hell bent for leather, just win baby mood.
Learn a musical instrument, practice chess, use your left hand to brush your teeth, eat, and write, learn higher math. They all compliment each other and undoubtably raise ones ability to reason, to problem solve, etc.
But that won't save us. Hitler was a great problem solver.




posted on Jul, 31 2005 @ 12:01 PM
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Being of a higher intelligence level, (somewhere between 160-180) is a burden. But I believe it ahs more to dwith how you are raised. I mean I am a completely adapted peson to my friends, I think like them, I do like them and all of that.
But I also suffer from crippling depression as well as many other people I know who are like me. My best friend killed herself out of nowhere, and I cannot say I did not do the same.
I think faster and in incredibly different ways than some people, and have been said to be able to make connections in teh oddest things. Sort of like pulling stuff out of my ass heh?
I also suffer from a little bit of insomnia, and cannot slep because at times thought doesnt stop. I thoink thats why this mesage board hasm such an allure to me. It pains me to see some of the over-quoted topics. I do not sway easily, and am stubborn.

Most of these things occur naturally within my family, and so far there is only one of them who is in this area with me other than my little brother. She also suffers the same problems I do, so I assume that intelligence is a burden.


As they say, Ignorance is bliss.



posted on Jul, 31 2005 @ 12:15 PM
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I totally agree, and have battled chronic low level depression all my life. The Bible says As knowledge increases, sorrow increases. For the most part I agree...but... if one follows their heart it seems that the sorrow can be diminished. Love. Omnia Vincit Amor........even brains.
Your open and descriptive post was very good to read. I can only say that I agree totally. I often get accused of thinking that smarter means better, which I completely disagree with, it clearly does not. Heart beats brains in my life. And I also agree with the concept that we are all equal on some level, with different strengths and faults, but all equal.
Churchill suffered terribly from depression. And many other people I feel were very smart. Ignorance is bliss, but I will take the pain. Forrest Gump, "I may not be a smart man, but I know what love is." Yeah....



posted on Jul, 31 2005 @ 02:36 PM
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I Have Taken Several IQ Tests (The Most Challenging Is With The High IQ Society) I Get Around 147 In Each Test And Find It Has No Real Relavance To My Day to Day Life.
As An Engineer The Logistical Capabillities Come Naturally To Me So My Answer To The Question Is This,

People With IQ's Above 140 Think The Exact Same As Everyone Else, Perhaps With A Bit More Logical And Structured Methods For Problem Solving And Other Mental Challenges But Other Than That It Is Just Like A Hierarchial System Within Thier Cerebral Cortex




posted on Jul, 31 2005 @ 04:33 PM
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I think humanity as a whole should work on their hearts as intelect without humanity is reading without comprehension.

Seems that people in the lower IQ ranges are on the whole are happier more compassionate than those with the ability to criticaly analyse things.
Perhaps that is why those on the higher end of the spectrim suffer from simmilar emotional problems. Being socially removed, depressed, insomniacs.

Initialy I didn't think that how an individual was raised had an effect on a persons IQ, however - it brought to mind a kid I was in school with - Nice decent kid- had some problems with reading comprehension - he could get it but it took him a little longer to Grock than most others. In other subjects he was about median. Then - some how one day someone tells him he's stupid and should get moved over to remedial reading class. (A nice term for babysitting on the pretext of faux teaching) He likes it there - he dosn't have to do anything except show up - within a month all his classes became the Remedial versions - by the time high school came he had become the class mascot/pet - and by then he had become stupid - only because he thought of himself as being stupid. -

How often can you tell Johnny he is a bad boy before he becomes a bad boy, because he belives he is a bad boy?

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Those fortunate enough to work in an enviroment that inflicts constant mental calestenics may be so accustom to the processes involved with what they do and how they do it that the difficulties involved can be objectively solved through logical progressions, that which may seem simple and obvious to them - however to an outsider these same solutions would be found to be of inordanate accomplishment. Reflecting on Zeltars post - I think that the assumption of IQ being a reflection of "Logical" skills
is perhaps a little more accurate than I would have earlier assumed. Especially given an accessable and comprehensive referance resource, or a sufficient familiarity with the field that such a resource has (at least to some extent) become memorized. Coupled with the seven steps to scientificly solve a problem (If anyone has them - please post them - I havent seen the list since 7th grade)



posted on Jul, 31 2005 @ 07:32 PM
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PART 3: THE BLESSINGS OF MADNESS

-- I found this the other day, some may find this essay etremely interesting, I know I did...

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Basically, this person is making a link between the genes that cause Schizophrenia and the genes responsible for creativity and genius... He, goes on to say that; the people that we would term "sane" have these genes in some form of moderation, and thus are able to have some kind of control as to where they can direct their creativity, where as the Schizophrenic mind is (apperently) flooded with creative data, and so they come across as speaking jibberish (to some).

However, this is merely the Schizophrenic mind making connections that we have been socially programmed to recognise as "incorrect". Lets go to Eienstein for a moment - his mind; made a connection between space and time - a connection that completely revolutionised the way people perceive the world - but at the time this was 'pretty out there'. Is it correct of me to say that; this was a 'useful' (relative term) peice of schizophrenic thought?



There are many cases of creative geniuses and important intellectual figures who were closely related to schizophrenics: Einstein’s son was schizophrenic; Jean-Michel Basquiat’s mother was schizophrenic; James Joyce’s daughter was schizophrenic. There are many more examples such as these. Anyone who looks into the matter will find a definite connection between people of eminence in the artistic and intellectual communities and a family history of mental illness, usually either schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. This, of course, is a generalization that applies to many cases, but the idea is not comprehensive of all people of eminence or all fields of distinction.

Few eminent people themselves have been schizophrenic; it’s usually a parent, sibling, or son or daughter that has the disease. Schizophrenia is a very disabling disorder that makes actual accomplishment extremely difficult, but the genes that cause it, if only some are present or if they do not lead to schizophrenia, seem to be related to traits our culture admires.


I have always thought that the (so-called) "crazies" aren't as crazy as what our society makes them out to be. What do others think about some of this stuff... Admittingly, it is pretty out there - but I am a stong beleiver of this...

And just backtracking to the original concept of this thread. THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE between having a high IQ and being a Genius - though a Genius may have a high IQ...



posted on Jul, 31 2005 @ 08:44 PM
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Sorry, but in the intelligence quotient stakes, Genius = High IQ (145+) by definition.


Have some fun at this site with its estimated IQs for so-called geniuses in history:

hem.bredband.net...



posted on Jul, 31 2005 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Sorry, but in the intelligence quotient stakes, Genius = High IQ (145+) by definition.


Have some fun at this site with its estimated IQs for so-called geniuses in history:

hem.bredband.net...



You are right MA, So called "genius" starts in the 140 - 145 range. Thank you for the interesting sites. I am enjoying the read.



posted on Jul, 31 2005 @ 11:32 PM
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I am sometimes considered "out there" by the people I come in contact with. I am extremely right brained, and I find myself miss spelling things all the time, even being absent minded, and lacking common sense. I see the world in bizarre ways. I see the world in a mathematical language, where everything in natural can be explained through mathematics. For example I see the golden spiral in many places in natural, which comes from the golden rectangle. For example I see it in sea shells, in DNA, finger prints, Hurricanes, tornadoes, the milk in your coffee, etc. I also see the world through order, and chaos, were order ultimately defeats chaos.
Sometimes I wonder if I lost it.



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 12:25 AM
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Dand9, on the first page, does not sound like somebody with an estimated I. Q of 178. I had my I.Q tested in the 10th grade, and mine has stayed put at 157. I basically question everything, instead of accepting much of what the world is telling me to believe, For example, I have Jesus Christ in my life but I believe that Reincarnation and the Buddha way may be correct.



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 12:50 AM
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I have never taken a "real" IQ test, and I don't plan on taking one either. It might be fun to know, but really theres no point in bragging about a number....

I think, therefore I must be smart.



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 03:20 AM
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whatever one focusses on and practices is what they will get better at. I was keen on learning in school, and on aquiring knowledge was a goal that I enjoyed pursuing, so I did so, naturally. But then 20 years after graduation, I switched the order of my priorities, and knowledge was demoted below emotional development, and focussed on things like increasing my self-esteem, better control of my emotions, and love. I started to ignore my brain, and listen to my heart, when they were at odds. And realized that in the past when I logically sided with my brain, ignoring my gut feelings, I got burned.
If you took the western world's person with the highest IQ, and set him down in the outback of Australia to take an Aboriginal IQ test, that required knowing how to survive in that hostile environment, knowledge that is of the same value to them as ours is to us, my bet is that Mr. or Mrs. 220 IQ would fail it, their IQ score would be below average, and all of a sudden they would be stupid? IQ tests test ones ability to take IQ tests. Little more. That is how I think, by trying not to, and listening to my heart instead. And if my IQ plummets.........and I am happy......right on. Good deal.



posted on Aug, 1 2005 @ 10:59 AM
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I've scored anywhere between 159 and 166...guess it depends on what kind of mood I'm in. I don't consider myself a genius at all, there are people that are much smarter than I am.

I think I'm analytical, optimistic and objective. I have to analyze everything, which can be annoying and compulsive. I can rebuild my car or my computer, and have fixed many appliances and electrical devices in my home. Take them apart and put them back together, just like a puzzle.

Sometimes I feel that I have a hard time getting my point across to others. It is like I have too many thoughts racing through my head, and my mouth can't keep up with my brain. All these thoughts going on at once, hard to organize them and make it understandable to others. But, to me it makes complete sense.

Basically the IQ Tests test analytical ability, how quickly you can decipher an equation, what comes next in a series, what doesn't belong in a group of objects.....etc

I can do math equations in my head but have no idea how I came about the answer, back in High School the teachers thought I was cheating, because I couldn't tell them how I got the answer. Heck, I did it in my head, I don't know.

It seems like my brain is like a computer. Driving home from work, it runs it's "End of The Day" program. And I remember something that should of been done, but was overlooked, so I write it down for the next day. Weird!

I also have anxiety problems and it seems my neurohormones over fire in my brain. I'm on xanax for that. Before the xanax, I would feel like electrical type shocks in my head and through my arms. I believe I might be one of "The Electric People", since after a stressful day at work, driving home street lights go off after I pass them. They just do it, it's not like I can make them do it. This phenomenon is more or less unproven so far, basically because it has no scientific evidence to back it up. But, is being recognized more and more by parapsychologists.

OK...enough babbling...I could go on and on. Too much going on in the ol' gray matter right now. Busy day ahead.




[edit on 1-8-2005 by maybeangels]



posted on Aug, 9 2005 @ 08:38 PM
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As I was saying in another thread, and a bit in this thread. I see the world in a different way. I see the world in numbers.

Each number to me has a different shape, form, and feel to it.
Each number to me has its own personality, and meaning.
When these numbers are combined together, they make a unique meaning.
A meaning we must not over look. Why you ask?
Because numbers make up the world we live in. You will find many different numbers and patterns in nature.

& to understand nature better as a whole, you must first understand the numbers that make up nature, numbers that are in the trees, leaves, and grass you see.

I allow these numbers talk to me, and I learn from them.
You may think this is weird, but it is another way of acceptancing the world we live in. Numbers are very beautiful.
For example, most people would agree that a beautiful face is very symmterical. Now you may ask what makes a face symmterical?
Look towards the numbers. There is a ratio called "the golden ratio" any face that comes close to the golden ratio is most likely deemed beautiful.

The golden ratio is part of nature's beauty.I see the world in a mathematical language, where everything in naturel can be explained through mathematics.I see the golden spiral in many places in nature, which comes from the golden rectangle. For example I see the golden spiral in sea shells, DNA, finger prints, hurricanes, tornadoes, and even the milk in your coffee, etc.
I see the world through order, and chaos, were order ultimately defeats chaos; and that is a beautiful thing.

I believe everything in nature has a pattern to it. Even if it is on the sub-atomic level. I just believe humans aren't sophisticated enough to find every pattern in nature there is, and we never will; because there are too many patterns in nature to find in a life time.
But we can find the order behind chaos in our lives, and that is wondeful

I also like to become 'one' with nature. I love to walk outside, and look at all of the beauties in nature. It clears my mind. It gives me a break from the "real" world.

My question to you is how do you see the world?
Your friend, LOD



posted on Aug, 9 2005 @ 09:00 PM
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IQ tests measure a person's capacity to recognize patterns. As such, they really don't have much relevance to a person's capacity to learn or their intelligence. People with higher IQs may have an easier time with problem solving or retaining information with repetitive aspects to it, but on the whole, it has very little bearing on a person's life. Also, many IQ tests are accused of racial bias.

My own IQ has been determined as 147, and has remained there since childhood. Now, being of a racial/ethnic orgin that is favored in the typical bias of these tests, my score may be higher than someone else who, while they have a higher capacity for pattern recognition, may have scored lower because they were not of the favored ethnicity/racial origins. Because of this, I put very little stock into my IQ score.

That said, I'll respond within the original intent of the thread. I tend to find patterns in everything. It's how I learn - comparing this to that, and likening a new pattern to a familliar one. I tend to look at the world in such a way as to determine the significance of events based on known experience or learned knowledge. I have a fascination with that which "can't be done" for I believe that everything is possible. My career is based heavily in electrical design and the application of electronics (I'm a theatrical sound and lighting designer/technician). In my spare time, I work on film projects, and independent electrical research regarding next-generation power generation and other high end applications of electricity (such as gravity control, propulsion, etc), as well as electrical light show applications (such as Tesla coils built specifically for entertainment purposes).

I tend to exist within the realm of the creative, and whenever I'm told that I can't do something, it just makes me all that much more driven to accomplish it. I view the world as a realm where anything is possible, but logic also dictates certain realities. I'm not one to believe everything I hear, nor am I one to think anything is impossible. I am a dreamer and an artist. I am an engineer and a designer. I am opinionated, but always open to new perspectives.

I'm probably not too much different from most of you who read this.



posted on Aug, 9 2005 @ 09:32 PM
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Man, can you ask a question...
Seems like this should be a thread all it's own.
Feels like you'd make a great programer.

But to answer your question...
I think I see it through romantic eyes.

The world is to be experienced, likened only to leaning over a cliff with nothing to hold you back except for the updraft.

I see life in the same essential terms a diver sees the deep.

I see the intricate beauty in those things that surround me, the delicate life in a simple blade of grass, the determination of insects. Without mentioning the fluidic shimmer of a sunset over the ocean or a desert.

I see star filled skies and ponder the size of infinity, I wonder why stars twinkle if they are constant light. And smile privately when one darts irradicly.

I see opportunities to learn about things I am currious about, and play games with conflicting rules. (the customer is Always right vs. The management reserves the right to...)

I see eating as far more than the simple task of intaking nutrition - it is to be done slowly and savored to allow every flavor an oppertunity to express itself properly. The auroma of food can only be likened to a ladies perfume. (Although, most women don't understand the difference between heating and cooking).

I see most people as mindless drones, doing what they are told to do, the way they are told to do it. Knowing little beyond that which they were taught to do. Go to school, get married, get a job, have kids, and get further into debt so they can't rock the boat, or afford to take a vacation. Living in cookie cutter houses. Fortunately there are true Charicters out there who knowingly or not bring some amusment to the rest of us, and break up the days minotony, or bring a bit of cheer to a miserable day.

I see the world in different ways, in part it's nothing but a numbers game like the way a bank can take in $10,000@3% and loan out $90,000@5% making themselves a 42% return on nothing but a paper shuffle. It doesn't matter if you have $1,000,000 or owe $1,000,000 - the game isn't over when you have $0, the numbers become negative when you go below, and positive when you go above it.

I appreciate the precision of numbers, and shutter anytime I have to tell a clerk how much change I get back. For they just don't understand the fun one can have with, through, and by numbers.

I look for relationships. This is to this, as this other thing is to that.
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obsidian468 - I don't think its Realy IQ, I think it is perspective coupled with ambiton.

With your background, you may be just the person for this - maybe you could have some fun with this - that is if it is of interest to you.

A number of years ago I asked Menza a question; I have yet to get an answer. Remember though the key word is Fun...



"How do I calculate the area of contact at the intersection
of two (Both 1" Diamiter) perfect sphears, the surfaces of
which possess no allowance for Deformation?

Please Provide detailed explanation of Solution, and proof there of."


Feel free to change the size of the sphears - as long as they are both the same size... 36" might be easier to work with.

[edit on 8/9/2005 by dancer]



posted on Aug, 9 2005 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by dancer
A number of years ago I asked Menza a question; I have yet to get an answer. Remember though the key word is Fun...



"How do I calculate the area of contact at the intersection
of two (Both 1" Diamiter) perfect sphears, the surfaces of
which possess no allowance for Deformation?

Please Provide detailed explanation of Solution, and proof there of."


Feel free to change the size of the sphears - as long as they are both the same size... 36" might be easier to work with.

[edit on 8/9/2005 by dancer]


The area of contact depends on the point of intersection. The point of intersection depends on where I place them. Where I place them depends on my mind, thus the only constant in this equation is my mind, the bounds of which cannot be measured, thus there is no answer.

The area of contact is infinite and nonexistent, all at the same time. No one measurement can be made to determine a solid answer.



posted on Aug, 9 2005 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by obsidian468


The area of contact depends on the point of intersection. The point of intersection depends on where I place them. Where I place them depends on my mind, thus the only constant in this equation is my mind, the bounds of which cannot be measured, thus there is no answer.

The area of contact is infinite and nonexistent, all at the same time. No one measurement can be made to determine a solid answer.


That's the best answer I have gotten so far

Got the idea touching two marbles together, realizing that they did touch and then concluding that there had to be a way to calculate it.

[edit on 8/9/2005 by dancer]



posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by Netchicken
How do people with IQs of 140 - 200 think?
We think quite well thank you very much...


[edit on 31-3-2005 by Netchicken]



Haha



posted on Aug, 10 2005 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by BlackGuardXIII
I say we're too damn smart for our own good, and need to work on our hearts. compassion, social issues, poverty, crime, pollution, ecological damage, etc. Hitler was a genius. Mother Teresa? I don't think anyone would care what her IQ was, it doesn't matter.
Love is the scarce quantity, whereas intellect is overripe, imho. We think we can solve anything, arrogant in our scientific prowess. Subdue nature, tame the earth.... like we are nature's masters, and not just bit players in natures whole scheme of things. Pride goeth before a fall.
I am a half decent chess player, when I am in the mood, the competitive, warrior, combative, cunning, hell bent for leather, just win baby mood.
Learn a musical instrument, practice chess, use your left hand to brush your teeth, eat, and write, learn higher math. They all compliment each other and undoubtably raise ones ability to reason, to problem solve, etc.
But that won't save us. Hitler was a great problem solver.


I came to this thread expecting people to boast...Just curious what everyone had to say about "Their IQ", and then I came to you...Loved it didn't read anymore reply's, and honestly don't want to. You said it all.

Good Job BlackGuard.



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