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posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 02:55 AM
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I've been digging into Freemasonary lately. Reading whatever I can get my hands onto. I've found information ranging from there and evil secret society trying to take over the world to there a moral society better the comman man.

When I talk to people about masons or freemasonry. Every person seems to know someone who is in them. But they never know what there truely about. This causes me to want to dig further.

When I go the freemason's website of ca, they have a lodge locater. I was astounded to find that there all over the place. But get this, theres one a minute away from my house! I thought I knew my area pretty well, I guess not.

I was considering just going and checking one out. But I'm not sure If I can even do that. I need some input from you guys, can anyone help me out?




posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 04:39 AM
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Many Lodges give free tours of their temple.


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posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by oconnection
I've been digging into Freemasonary lately. Reading whatever I can get my hands onto. I've found information ranging from there and evil secret society trying to take over the world to there a moral society better the comman man.


OH MY GOD!

hid the virgins

run for cover

save your cigs for barter!



posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 07:36 PM
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Your curiosity would not be richly rewarded.

Just read a few dozen different Masonic websites, you would have all the symbolry you want and Masonic and anti-Masonic sentiment galore.



posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Your curiosity would not be richly rewarded.

Why do you say that?



posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 11:19 PM
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There is not much point seeing a building from the outside or furnishings on the inside, with no context. There is no reward.

It is like a 'Goosebumps' children's adventure book but without semblance of a plot.

I agree with Tamahu, if the intentions are scientific, and there is a Grand Lodge or local Lodge organising a Meet The Masons night or tour, go for it.



posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 11:29 PM
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Well lets see'

If you want to hang out with a bunch of everyday guy's and do this and that for the community and learn a secret handshake and join a brotherhood of good old men. Join. If you wish to understand the roots of the Socity dig into history and t6he occult. Some say they are a Secret Society of incredibly powerfull people that have specific ideas on how the world should be shaped. You will never be allowed into that circle, that is where the powerfull, wealthy, and manipulative decide the fate of elections, civilizations, and governments. It is the difference between Bart Simpson and Bruce Wayne aka Batman

tut tut



posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 11:38 PM
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While you are there, get a chance to see the pictures on the walls, there are at least 2, in the lodge I visited,

They were covered with small venetion blinds and obviously used in some sort of ceremony, when I lifted the blinds I got a quick look at a skull in one pic, and I forget what was on the other. The people there were very quick to stop me looking at it.



posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 11:41 PM
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Ahhhhh....

The 'emblems of mortality'.

Sometimes depicted, sometimes 3-D or even (shudder) real.

Netchicken, you probably induced a near heart attack in a couple of RSA guys with your rampant curiosity.




posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 12:11 AM
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So THATS what they were!

Check this I found on it, no pics, though.. from a pdf file
.. sorry can't link to it...

The use of the Skull and Crossbones in Freemasonry beyond that already mentioned on some headstones, is nearly as prevalent as the aforementioned ubiquitous square and compass; being a feature of the hilt of ceremonial swords, embroidered on the aprons or sashes worn by brethren or most impressively, stirringly employed in the ritual of the 3rd degree, from whence on completion a Mason is thereafter a Master Mason.

The 3rd degree is a ritual raising from the dead following the candidate's re-enactment of the first Mason Hiram Abiff's death at the hands of the traitors Jubela, Jubelo and Jubelum(8), the three Juwees.

Already noted is the strange attire worn during the ceremony, which is exactly as a condemned heretic was brought to the gallows in the Middle Ages(9). The Skull and Crossbones themselves are placed on the death shroud from which the brother is raised, the 'Worshipful Master'(a masonic `master of ceremonies') then explains the bones are `emblems of mortality', from which this rite of initiation could be speculated to be a revelation of the illusory nature of the material realm, as well as being a figurative death within the brother of those elements of his person rooted in the physical world and our five most basic senses used to interact and interpret it eternity awaits...

A more completely modern usage of the Skull and Crossbones, in this instance referred to as the Death's Head, was among the SS of Nazi era Germany. Apart from its most visible use on the officers caps, it is probably most famously, or infamously, prominent use was the very highly regarded Totenkopfring/Deaths Head Ring awarded to SS officers in recognition of their "...personal achievement, devotion to duty, and loyalty to the Fuhrer and his ideals."(10)

Though to say what reasons the SS had for adopting the Deaths Head/Skull and Crossbones beyond a connection with the past German military units who too used the symbol in their insignia(11), an ongoing tradition, would be pure guesswork, the reverence with which the Totenkopfrings were held intimates omething greater than mere military insignia.

Upon death or on leaving the SS, the officers rings were retuned to officialdom whereon they were sent to the SS castle of Wewelsburg in Wesphalia where they were placed in a particular chest kept in the castle's main tower(12,13).

Though rarely more than a footnote in history books, Wewelsburg was ultimately of more import to the SS; it was to be reconstructed as the most sacred temple of the SS, emulating Camelot of the Knights of the Round Table(14). At the centre of the Wewelsburg complex, the castle said to house the Holy Grail and/or the Ark of the Covenant(15).

Essentially, the castle, moreso than the surrounding planned township, was conceived to be the mystical axis of the world(16) in an esoteric sense, the centre from which all universal creative movement is imparted.

Focussing directly on the Skull and Crossbones or Death's Head, that is the constituent parts to the whole, a further wealth of value may be revealed to us.

The Skull and the two human thigh bones crossed are in some instances ascribed the astrological rulership of the first zodiacal sign Aries and the 9th sign Sagittarius(17), both positive, Fire signs, the former cardinal more dominant, while the latter is mutable passive. The ombination of Aries and Sagittarius, ruled by Mars and Jupiter respectively, brings together leadership and courage with profound philosophical thought.

There is however another system that ascribes the rulership of the entire skeleton, and the skin as well, to Capricorn(18), which puts things into quite a different perspective. Capricorn is ruled by Saturn, whom in a shallow sense is more or less just that old scythe carrier, the Grim Reaper or plain old `Death'. However, looking at the picture in its entirety, the death signified by Capricorn, which is the physical death, is at once the
beginning of the path to incarnation, the re-birth itself being the domain of Capricorn's opposite Cancer(19).

This death and re-birth is carved into the very fabric of the great medieval cathedrals; Capricorn death situated at the portal/doorway, running up the nave through the zodiac to a Cancerian re-birth at the altar(20).

The skeleton of Capricorn finds further significance in the form of the `Mithraic Cap'; its form at once imitating the sigil of Capricorn the cap itself being the fish tail while the very skull it is placed on is the head of the goat... this being the case, it serves to bring the head, ruled by Aries in touch with the feet of Pisces(21), the first and last signs of the zodiac. The significance of uniting the first and last Alpha to Omega that of completion, initiation, enlightenment is further enhanced by Capricorn's sexual connotations; the sigil being both soft and hard is the phallus while Capricorn's opposite, Cancer, is entirely soft the vulva, kteis, yoni, #(22).

The combination of which while engendering life, a Horus to Isis and Osiris, is also the uniting of male and female, the melding of opposites that tantrically(sex magic) is required to attain a state of enlightened initiation nirvana.

Alchemically, of the 3 great principles of Sulphur, Mercury and Salt, it is Salt by way of a well known sigil hints at further revelations in this area; "...this widely used sigil [salt sigil] was derived from the capital letter, the theta, of the Greek Thanatos which meant 'death'"(23). Salt in this direction is connected with the thought processes of man(24), the very seat of thought the grey matter of the brain housed by the skull is the very veil to be pierced(25) to gaze upon the true nature of reality/Isis unveiled.

In this sense then, Salt is "...the dross left over when life has fled, it is the skull, the death's head; it is the white powder left behind when the gold is extracted, It is the ash of thought."(26) Be that as it may, the skull is not so much a `sentence of death', but as Hedsel reveals its position in the old mythologies "...tend to present the image of the head as a castle, from which the soul, or princess, peers out from one of the windows. In the fairy lore, the castellated head is the guardian of our spiritual activity. A comely knight rides out of the castle in search of the Holy Grail."(27)

This quest for the ultimate truth being no less than coming to grips with, understanding the nature of the cosmos, and hence in turn oneself essentially a godlike acquisition of profound knowledge, the root of all religious concepts and philosophies(28).

Further, a flower being "...the glorified reflection of last years sun...that flower is not a product of the present years Earthly and Spiritual activity...[but is] a manifestation of forces engendered in the previous year..."(29), the implication of drawing an analogy with humans is the "...the head-forces of man are the transformed forces carried over from a previous growth into the present lifetime."(30)

This transmission through incarnations occurs via the thigh-bones, wherein it is the Alchemical `fixed salt' thus situated where a person's being, their very essence is recorded(31). The femur is thus an `inheritor' and an `organ of generation', the intimation though is obviously not sexual, for the `indestructible nucleus' that is "...the fixed salt transports the conciousness acquired by an individual demanding a modification of form in order to provide his conciousness the means of expressing itself."(32) Goes a long way in explaining a `ritual cannibalism' such as in the inbibing of the host in Christian churches and perhaps was the reason behind the quasi-masonic group `Skull and Bones', numbering among them Prescott Bush George Dubya's grandfather, raiding the Native American leader Geronimo's grave and taking his remains back to their lodge.

[Edited on 19-7-2003 by Netchicken]

[Edited on 19-7-2003 by Netchicken]



posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 12:16 AM
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ties in cutely with the skull and crossbones a yale univ, usa that little george 'hitler' is a member of

tut tut



posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by Netchicken
So THATS what they were!

Check this I found on it, no pics, though.. from a pdf file
.. sorry can't link to it...

The 3rd degree is a ritual raising from the dead following the candidate's re-enactment of the first Mason Hiram Abiff's death at the hands of the traitors Jubela, Jubelo and Jubelum(8), the three Juwees.




NC

Interesting stuff, a useful account.

Regarding the little excerpt above - yes, that describes a ceremony; no, Hiram is not the 'first Mason' but certainly a significant one; the alleged perpetrators are not so named, where you live.



posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 04:19 AM
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Interesting how you guys seem to dance around a simple yes or no. I am simply interested in this mainly to see what it looks like. For a while I wanted to know If such a thing existed. I now know for certian that this organization does exist and has existed.

I know a great deal of hard facts about this group. I don't really care If I would be accepted into this group. If I'm not there kind of person I could care less. All I want is knowledge. Not money or power.



posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 03:31 PM
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Well if you want to see what a lodge looks like you'll just have to join because seeing a room of a bunch of "things" that will never be explained to you really doesn't amount to a hill of beans as MA tried to explain


You may learn where someone sits or such but what so many don't realize is just "What does everything mean"...all that matters is what something means...

As for that.....that article is funny.

I find it funny it tries to make some connection of masonry and nazism when Masonry stood against Nazism in WW2...it being the only successful organization in Germany to survive the Nazi "witch-hunt".

Eine Kleine Blau Frau.



posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 03:39 PM
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Of course if it was part of the Nazi structure it WOULD be the only organization to survive the nazi "witch-hunt"


Originally posted by FreeMason
I find it funny it tries to make some connection of masonry and nazism when Masonry stood against Nazism in WW2...it being the only successful organization in Germany to survive the Nazi "witch-hunt".

Eine Kleine Blau Frau.



posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 03:47 PM
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Uh NetChicken if you knew what Eine Kleine Blau Frau meant, you'd realize the ignorance of your statement.

All through out WW2 thousands were stopped and questioned about the "little blue flower" worn on their lapel (because Hitler outlawed all imagery but the Nazi symbols).

The wearer would reply "Eine Kleine Blau Frau." "It's a little blue flower".

Only Freemasons wore this little blue flower, the "Forget-me-not", and from there, exiled from their lodges, their lodge regalia stolen by the Nazis, they would easily be able to recognize eachother and secretly oppose Hitler.



posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 09:41 PM
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heh heh
Actually I DO know what it meansm, in german it translates as "A little blue WIFE", flower is Blumen in German.


There was a resistance group called the "White rose" but none with a blue flower, unless you have some further information on the matter.



Originally posted by FreeMason
Uh NetChicken if you knew what Eine Kleine Blau Frau meant, you'd realize the ignorance of your statement.

All through out WW2 thousands were stopped and questioned about the "little blue flower" worn on their lapel (because Hitler outlawed all imagery but the Nazi symbols).

The wearer would reply "Eine Kleine Blau Frau." "It's a little blue flower".

Only Freemasons wore this little blue flower, the "Forget-me-not", and from there, exiled from their lodges, their lodge regalia stolen by the Nazis, they would easily be able to recognize eachother and secretly oppose Hitler.



posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 09:53 PM
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You're right about that
I was sitting there (recalling my german) and I was all..."Frau...man that sounds like Frauline...meh"...blumen it be then but same difference...go look it up


Oh but you must surely understand, since when was anything Masonry done publicaly recognized?

From the creation of the US to the fall of Nazi Germany...Masonry has always been in the shadows


And the only information brought to public light is that of the anti-masons, who try to discredit us.

Again though thanks for the correction...that kills my question "Is woman derived from the word flower, in German?" lol...

[Edited on 20-7-2003 by FreeMason]



posted on Jul, 20 2003 @ 08:11 PM
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ewige blumentkraft.
wait, no, thats Illuminati...lol
so, what have we learned?
the road is an exquisitely detailed loop, with some nice shrubberies lining the roadside and the occasional man attempting to cut down a tree with a herring
and now for something completely different.
my white mice are missing, zaphod



posted on Jul, 20 2003 @ 08:14 PM
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Who is Zaphod?

Please explain as this is a serious inquiry.





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