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Originally posted by uca6usev2FeDREmU
If you want to know whether something is true or not, you've got to accept all the evidence whether you agree with it or not. Accepting only "what feels right" is ignorant. Rational thinkers start with a hypothesis, test it against all available evidence, and if it isn't shot down, it can be called a reasonable conclusion**.
it is possible to have a firm "irrational" thinking concluding to hardcore truth, without any raw evidence of a "rational" primitive thinking.
I completely don't understand why you think that. Maybe you can elaborate?
The tsunami was caused by natural earthquake.
Unfortunately I've got a hand injury that is acting up so I can't address this right now, sorry. But I should at least say that the story of Lacerta Files is no better supported than Icke's.
Originally posted by thirddensity
Hello OpenSecret. Icke is a superb researcher.
I have read And the Truth will Set you Free... , and I am halfway through the Second Edition of The Biggest Secret.
I have to agree with you. Ickes claims are credible. As I read, I sit by my computer and google every name and book title that I come across. The information is out there. The man's book's are worth every penny they sell for.
I think the thing that woke me up the most about his research was the fact that the (Ramses-Piso) family created the entire Jesus fable off of the Isis, Krishna, Mithra, Horus etc. stories that were all based off of the original ancient Sumerian legends.
I always thought that Jesus was a real person that was as normal as you and me, but wise, and that over time, people rewrote his words for their benefit and to control the masses.
Boy was I ever wrong. Here's a good excercise for any of you knowledge seekers who want to learn more about the superb research that Icke has dedicated his life to.
Religion, which I refer to as "Modern Mythology" is exposed for what it really is. Just do what I did. Read the chapter called "Conquered by the Cross", write down all the names and book titles that he refers to, then research and read them. Feel free to post your findings here.
But please, for the sake of denying ignorance, do the research before you post.
Happy searching.
Originally posted by Driver
Originally posted by thirddensity
Hello OpenSecret. Icke is a superb researcher.
Religion = biggest scam in history and if you dont fall for religion, dont let science sweep you up. Science is just as bad as religion.
Both hold no answers to the truth.
The only way is conscious evolution
I have to disagree with you.If you look at the hindu religion it is totally diff from other religions..Hinduism says that nothing is real and the entire universe or multiverse is nothing but a computer generated dream world or MAYA(matrix) and the only way to get out of this sim is through salvation ie be like mahatma gandhi,mother teresa.And karma is also very imo as whatever you do in your life you would get it according to your next life.Astrology also plays a part as everyting is writtin but you can change it ie A computer RPG game in which the story is already writtin.The entire matrix series is derived from hindusim.Btw even if you don't believe in this would you want to live in this world where there is pain and suffering,death and destruction,hunger and misrey,hell and heaven or you would believe in real and unreal world.
Btw this thread is going off topic so plz talk about reptilians and icke and not other stuff.
[edit on 5-4-2005 by warthog911]
Originally posted by warthog911
Vertu you say that david icke has a grey implant but you must also realise that you also have an implant So who to believe?,should i believe in you or icke? and why you and not icke?.
secondly you said tsunami was a threat message so who was behind the dec 26 tsunami and why did they create a tsunami(were they scared that the govt was going to disclose the ET stuff)
and you didn't replied to my previous questions:"what do you mean by scaffhander and you do realise the bible speaks of NWO and the mark of the beast so have you been told that everyone in the near future would be forced to have a chip implant? and when will this 65million year old saga end and you didn't tell me what type of religion thses reptilians have. "
Originally posted by warthog911
Well in the end after knowing soo much from you i love you
ps:plz feel free to u2u me.I want to gain knowledge and whats your comments on my hindu \matrix stuff.
Originally posted by Vertu
Originally posted by warthog911
Well in the end after knowing soo much from you i love you
ps:plz feel free to u2u me.I want to gain knowledge and whats your comments on my hindu \matrix stuff.
I'm sorry, I know nothing about hindu\matrix stuff.
Unfortunately there is no scientific explanation for this 'irrational' thinking, but there is huge difference between 'believers' (who actually rely on an unconditional source of information, or person) and me. I have my own personal opinions on certain things (especially posts on this thread). They are based on very high level of evidence, and for me that evidence is far more accurate than a backup source, because this evidence originates in my mind.
That is what most people really think. The Tsunami should be a natural earthquake for a rational person with simple mind. But others out there may know the truth and the "threat message" in the Tsunami.
Originally posted by uca6usev2FeDREmU
So the only difference between those you mention and yourself seems to be the source of the idea? If someone tells you to believe something, it's not valid. But if it originates as an idea in your own mind and you want to consider it valid, it is.
But then, even if I had the same opinion as you, that would mean that any (rationally unfounded) belief you have is worthless in my pursuit of truth, because you are to me what others are to you. That is, not me.
Based on the above, the only evidence we can share, and therefore the only truth we can share, is that which is objectively external to both of us. Unless we exist in two different realities, but I don't think that's the case.
Originally posted by Vertu
Originally posted by uca6usev2FeDREmU
So the only difference between those you mention and yourself seems to be the source of the idea? If someone tells you to believe something, it's not valid. But if it originates as an idea in your own mind and you want to consider it valid, it is.
But then, even if I had the same opinion as you, that would mean that any (rationally unfounded) belief you have is worthless in my pursuit of truth, because you are to me what others are to you. That is, not me.
Based on the above, the only evidence we can share, and therefore the only truth we can share, is that which is objectively external to both of us. Unless we exist in two different realities, but I don't think that's the case.
Right... now let's get to the facts of "irrational thinking".
It wasn't a surprise to me to see a Grey cahtting right here with me on ATS, in this thread (with his multiple nicknames), but it was a great surprise to me to see a 'higher' entity struggling extremely hard to get me off my butt and read 'his' books. Actually, I was aware of his presence right here after his first posts, but why not nibble him a little bit?
You are an alien Grey being. And I have every evidence to proove that for myself, actually I have seen your extreme caution on me having the least effect on me. It was very interesting to see you 'cloaking' yourself with my businesspartner's words... *sigh*-- remember? "can you elaborate on this one?" ... and so on.
You seemed to leave your other username behind after seeing too much Grey stuff here, but you were on the right path, doing your best. However, it is not easy to convince me of the opposite, it is very clear what I see, and you cannot just explain it away with your great intelligence.
Don't ask me how I found out that you are a Grey entity, because you are restricted to know anything about that... but if you keep thinking more, you may find it out very easily.
As for my opinion: I really don't know what to think of you Greys, you are all very interesting creatures... and I actually wonder what is this great hatred in all of you against humans and Reptilians. I'm not really interested in your posts proving that you are a human, because I have every reason for not believing that. You are inhuman in all your nature, your behaviour however doesn't represent an aristocratic high-end creature, instead to me you seem to be a hostile, cold blooded entity stabbing the knife in the back of humans.
You are an alien Grey being. And I have every evidence to proove that for myself, actually I have seen your extreme caution on me having the least effect on me. It was very interesting to see you 'cloaking' yourself with my businesspartner's words... *sigh*-- remember? "can you elaborate on this one?" ... and so on.
I'm not really interested in your posts proving that you are a human, because I have every reason for not believing that.
Originally posted by uca6usev2FeDREmU
You are an alien Grey being. And I have every evidence to proove that for myself, actually I have seen your extreme caution on me having the least effect on me. It was very interesting to see you 'cloaking' yourself with my businesspartner's words... *sigh*-- remember? "can you elaborate on this one?" ... and so on.
Whoa, I have to admit I wasn't expecting that response.
Note to the person who sent me a U2U (not sure if you wanted your identity kept secret or not so I won't use your name): These forums won't let me respond to you because I'm a new user who hasn't made 20 posts yet. But to answer your question, no, I am not a gray alien.
Originally posted by uca6usev2FeDREmU
Whoa, I have to admit I wasn't expecting that response.
I'm not going to make any such posts because I have no reason to try and convince you that I'm human. Besides, I can't think of a way to prove or disprove what I am to you, since to one another we're just words on a website. If you have an idea feel free to share.
But then what does it matter if I'm an alien or not?
In the same way, you can't just dismiss what I say by calling me a gray alien. I'm not lying to you, I'm only presenting (my best attempts at) rational arguments. Argue against my words, not my being. By the former we both stand to acquire greater knowledge. By the latter you deny us that, and embrace ignorance. (Just like Icke, I might add.)
Originally posted by warthog911
that was me but anyways vertu how can you just say to any user that he is a alien or this or that.If you really have psi powers then tell me which city i live in and how old i am and how do i look like
Originally posted by Vertu
You live in Amsterdam, and you have a white cat.