Are Christians Insane

Originally posted by BobDylan
An almost total lack of failure debating this subject...Just goes to show that if you force the issue when your dealing with people of faith they fold like a paper aeroplane.

As for you Baaestnoir...you have nothing new to add and are merley rehashing old arguements.

I'm not disapointed becuase this as what I expected...and now you'll all move onto other posts...rehash the same old argumets...the Christians with sweep things back under the carpet untill they are next presented with some ideas they can't explain.


Round and Round and Round again...Nothing solved, nothing gained.

Apparently

Christianity is a belief, a way to explain the unknown without absolute proof. Could they be considered insane by the reasoning of another? Yes, most definitely. BUT then again so could everyone from an opposing perspective.

Personally, I think that you are all nuts for not believing in what I believe. Although believing what I believe has turned me nuts.

So there you go.

Originally posted by BobDylan
I must admit that I fear for the sanity of people with blind faith.. reel of passges of the Good book as if was some concrete factual evidence.

History is littered with Popes who have supressed and murdered thousands upon thousands of people yet this is largely ignored by believers today.

more people on this forum should say what they really think and stop pussyfooting around...only then can we stop going around in constant circles trying to find different angles for the same old arguments.

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[edit on 30-3-2005 by BobDylan]

A christian's faith is in Jesus Christ so I would suggest that it is not blind faith because there is someone who our faith is in.

The catholic denomination does not represent true christianity, I would say believers already know this. I know it's represented everywhere that it is, but it is a system of works to be saved and worship of idols.

Originally posted by dbrandt


The catholic denomination does not represent true christianity, I would say believers already know this. I know it's represented everywhere that it is, but it is a system of works to be saved and worship of idols.

Hello dbrandt...long time


Now that's just your opinion on Catholicism isn't it? The same as any other religion....it's all in belief and everyone feels that their religion is the real one, otherwise....why bother?

Originally posted by BobDylan
I would say be educated and sensible enough to accept that there may be a higher power...but not arrogant or misguided to such a degree that you are convinced that your God is the true one.

So I really don't get it. People say they want to look for the truth as if this is a neverending journey.

Why do some say or insinuate that it can't be found.

Originally posted by BobDylan
Take the bible away and Christians have nothing to work with...everthing they believe is contained within and based upon the bible...and thats just not good enough for me.

The Bible is an answer book and instruction book, but that is certainly not all there is for a christian to work with. Christians have a daily walk with God, and they have how God has proved Himself over and over again to them. Proved Himself to be REAL, INVOLVED, CARING, IN CHARGE, LOVING, INTERVENING, LISTENING. There certainly are experiences where we have felt the hand of God on our lives.

Originally posted by BobDylan

The basic message of most Religons is "Be good and try and perform good deeds" and yet Christianity has spat on that principle from day one and caused more bloodshed and done more wrong then we will ever know or fathom.

We know that principal doesn't gain salvation, after you are saved you do good works. Does that mean that people who aren't saved should do evil things? Of course not, but good works don't earn salvation.


You are assuming that the people who have caused the bloodshed were really christains. I suggest that 100% of these people were not.

There are very few truth's dbrant...only opinions..and I must confess my glee at a Christian mocking the Catholic faith...you've all been arguing and killing each other over meaning and interpretation since Christianity began....no reason to stop now I suppose.

Anyway...I've decided to spice things up a little..throw some quotes at the quoters.

Jesus Murdering his enemies...?

Mmm

"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.' After Jesus had said this, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. Luke 19:26-28"

All you need is Love

"Do not suppose that I [Jesus] have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34)"

Threatening his flock

"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away an withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. (John 15:5-6)"


Ooo...but maybe it was supposed to be symbolic.

Ooo...Well maybe Jesus never really said that and was misquoted, but the nice quotes where not misquoted, they are of course fact.

And despite what others may say to the contary I'm not mocking Christianity...I'm just placing things infront of it's face that's it's already fully aware of but chooses to ignore..and that's why the whole thing just stinks of Sham becuase Modern Christians pick and choose what they believe in and what they don't believe in in order to suit themselves...

If you beleive that Jesus teachings where a good guidebook on how to lead your life then fair enough...but regard it as a philosophy rather then a heaven sent mandate.

I think it's the duty of intelligent Christians to change they way their faith works for the better...accept that their are gaping holes in "The Son of God aspect" and bring a stop to the 2000 years of nonsense...turn Christianity from being a load of religious Hokum into a sound and applicable philosophy.

Only then will respect for the ideals of Jesus increase...take Jesus away from the Church and all the pomp ceremony and prejudice and what you are left will is the thoughts and ideas of a great philosopher and not the decree's of a supernatural being.

It's the way forward I think





[edit on 30-3-2005 by BobDylan]

Well here we go...
At least we still have some entertainment on ATS...
Bob I am sorry but I am stunned by your total lack of understanding, lack of knowledge, lack of respect and most of all lack of common sense.

Many times I have seen christian-bashers stumble around in their own ignorance, trying to tackle what they truly do not grasp, but only rarely does one get to see the sight of the completely pathetic mess that is this topic.

You don't like *some* christians?
Who cares?!

You don't like it when *some* christians use the bible in discussions?
Who cares?!

You don't think christianity is THE one true religion?
Who freaking cares?!


Instead of boring us with your truly lacking (understatement) interpretation of the bible, you may want to refrain from making yourself look increasingly pathetic and just keep your extreme opinions to yourself.
This way you are only amusing because your post is just so ridiculous it becomes hilarious, and that was surely not the goal.

[edit on 30-3-2005 by Jakko]

Would someone point out the total lack of context of his quotes? He set up Luke 19 as though Jesus was saying to kill folks, when it was the end of a parable he was telling (Luke 19:11 sets it up, here's a link)

I have to get some work done so I can get home and get ready for my sister's wedding. If no one does and I have a chance, I'll point out the intentional misdirection he's using, but that'll be in several hours, if at all.

Thanks,
JJ

Oh, and Bob, when you're debating with Christians who quote the Bible in their arguements, it's probably not a good idea to try to take verses out of context or change them. We tend to know the Bible well enough to know when someone is trying to be misleading. Not cool at all.

Originally posted by LadyV
Now that's just your opinion on Catholicism isn't it? The same as any other religion....it's all in belief and everyone feels that their religion is the real one, otherwise....why bother?

This is wnat I know. This is the Bible in a nutshell.

Mankind has been seperated from God. The sin mankind is infected with keeps God from us as He desires. It also keeps us from God as we would desire, if we only knew it. God destroyed sin by putting it upon Christ to judge and destroy it and it's side effects. When someone puts their trust in Christ's completed work(death, burial and resurrection for the sin disease) that individual is now able to enter God's presence spiritually, and someday it will also be physically and this will be everlasting.

Watch EWTN channel if you can sometime. The catholic denomination adds too what needs to be done and if that wasn't enough they take away from what Christ has done.

Not that what I am posting will matter to all but hopefully some. I am not stating all this stuff to cram it down your throat but to simply inform. I sat and watched a priest say that an empty cross symbol was a curse and a cross with a figurine "Jesus" on it was a blessing. That is the exact opposite of what is true. They will say the way to receive Christ is with the eucharist. That you eat this wafer that has been"changed" into the actual body of Christ and you will change. IN actuality Christ was sacrificed once for all sin 2000 years ago. It's a done deal. It's not something that is done over and over again weekly and in larger cities daily. To receive Christ is a mental and spiritual act. We are made new by a rebirth. Eating the wafer will do nothing but put a couple of calories in your body.

Then Saturday night I watched as a lady and 2 guests talked about the importance of the virgin Mary over Jesus Christ himself. They expressed how you come to Christ through Mary. Mary cannot save you.

I can see why some people disbelieve who Jesus is because they filter some of what they know through the catholic ways, and they see the catholic churches "prominence" in the world and how everyone bows to the pope and believe this is christianity when it's not.

ps On the porn thread and your stand against it, when you give your real life experiences concerning it that is something that speaks volumes even if some still stick their head in the sand.

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Originally posted by Jakko
Well here we go...
At least we still have some entertainment on ATS...
Bob I am sorry but I am stunned by your total lack of understanding, lack of knowledge, lack of respect and most of all lack of common sense.

Many times I have seen christian-bashers stumble around in their own ignorance, trying to tackle what they truly do not grasp, but only rarely does one get to see the sight of the completely pathetic mess that is this topic.

You don't like *some* christians?
Who cares?!

You don't like it when *some* christians use the bible in discussions?
Who cares?!

You don't think christianity is THE one true religion?
Who freaking cares?!


Instead of boring us with your truly lacking (understatement) interpretation of the bible, you may want to refrain from making yourself look increasingly pathetic and just keep your extreme opinions to yourself.
ATS would be a better place without your kind of people.

My word Jako...what a random speel of nonsense...and you tried so hard to rubbish me too...bless you for thinking my opinions are extreme when I was so convinced that it was merley a matter of common sense.

I see no Christian bashers here ( looks around)...a very strange comment lad and I suggest you take along hard look at yourself before you point the ignorance finger in my direction.

As for you Junglejake...seems you haven't been reading the posts...I was mocking Christians use of Quotations and doing exactly what they do which is bend the meaning to their own beliefs...fact of the matter is people see what they want to see...the bible is like a poem in that respect...it's like cloud watching....one person will see a dragon..another...an eagle.

But please...keep plugging away...becuase I bet you a $1000 dollars you'll blink before I do...

God Bless the lord for giving me the free will to question his very existence...it makes life much more interesting don't you think?



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well ... what about other religions that are mentioned in this site too? does that not bother you ??? what about wiccans, withces, pagans, buddhists...etc etc etc ...that use their religion to back up their posts??? what about those ??? If Christians are insane for having a religion, than you must assume everyone else with a religion is insane

That I know of, Wiccans (Pagans and Witches fall under this, in my opinion) and Buddhists rarely - if ever - evangelize and preach the "my religion is THE religion, period" bit.

And in fact, I would hardly say that Buddhism practices "blind faith" - the Buddha himself said that nobody has to accept a damn thing he said, if they didn't want to. He said, basically, to try things out, and if they didn't work, toss 'em out the window; if they did work, keep 'em! Sounds a little more, er, sane to me.

=)

Don't forget, anything proven to be bs is either "interpreted wrong", "satan", or "symbolic". So when the bible says 6,000 years old and of course this is bs, ITS SATAN!!!! Satan put oil/dino bones/proof of older then 6,000 years old!!!!

Christians are fun to pick on, they like republicans or jews or blondes, it is just so easy to make fun of them cause they offer so much ammo.

Originally posted by BobDylan
My word Jako...what a random speel of nonsense...and you tried so hard to rubbish me too...bless you for thinking my opinions are extreme when I was so convinced that it was merley a matter of common sense.

Do I have to repeat your own nonsense to you, to explain why I think you are just entertaining us with your stupidity?
How much of your own ignorance do you want me to throw back in your face?

I see no Christian bashers here ( looks around)...a very strange comment lad and I suggest you take along hard look at yourself before you point the ignorance finger in my direction.

Well I see you haven't lost your sense of humor yet.
I will be honest with you, I don't really know what to write.
The whole conversation with you feels kind of unreal...Like talking to a brick wall.

Let me ask you one thing though, what kind of idiots calling themselves christians did you encounter in your life, that screwed you up this much?



[edit on 30-3-2005 by Jakko]

What, Bob, no comment to me?

James, where on earth does the Bible say "6,000 years"? That figure in its self is interpretation. Symbolism? Are you telling me refering to yourself as a vine and others as branches isn't symbolism? I think you and me need to sit down and have a serious talk about the differences between a tree and a human!

As to the parable comment as an excuse, Luke 19:11: While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once.

Well, personally, when the Bible says he said a parable, I buy it and don't assume the Bible is trying to cover something up. If it were trying to do that, why wouldn't they just exclude the quote?

LOBO, paganism believes in multiple Gods, and Buddhism is a philosophy, not a religion. When you believe there are many Gods, you can accept multiple religions as being true. When you follow a philosophy, there are no ramifications if you don't follow it. Big difference.

Originally posted by junglejake

LOBO, paganism believes in multiple Gods

No..not necessarily! I am pagan, I believe in an all powerful creating force as do many, many pagans!

Alas Jakko I only ever experienced nice Christians...i was brought up a Methodist..went to Sunday school every week from the age of 4 to 11...won prizes for bible reading and deliverd low quality canned goods to old ladies at Harvest festival.

Then come the day that my common sense kicked in I thought..."mmm, a lot us this doesn't quite add up"...so I started to question things...and the more I looked and questioned...the more holes appeared untill finally I was granted and Audience with the Vicar who had no reply to some of the more "Contraverstial" things I had to say.


Seems to me again that people are just seeing what they want to see...I don't hate Christians at all as I have stated countlesss times but I do think they are ignorant and possibly delusional....I don't want to Live in a world run my people who beleive in whatever warped version of the faith they practice and it is my right to fight against them because I think they are wrong.

It's no more complicated then that really.

Originally posted by LadyV

Originally posted by junglejake

LOBO, paganism believes in multiple Gods

No..not necessarily! I am pagan, I believe in an all powerful creating force as do many, many pagans!

Really? This I did not know...Is there a thread, or would you start a thread to help destroy some misconceptions of paganism? I was under the impression that, by definition, paganism ment believing in a pantheon of gods.

Originally posted by James the Lesser
Don't forget, anything proven to be bs is either "interpreted wrong", "satan", or "symbolic". So when the bible says 6,000 years old and of course this is bs, ITS SATAN!!!! Satan put oil/dino bones/proof of older then 6,000 years old!!!!

Ah let me guess, you're on bobs side?
Typical.
You are probably one of the very few, who's understanding and knowledge of christianity is about as absent as is the case with Bob.

Christians are fun to pick on, they like republicans or jews or blondes, it is just so easy to make fun of them cause they offer so much ammo.

Tell me, do you truly not realize just how dumb you make yourself sound with comments like that, or do you just not care?
Oh and don't bother spamming every single moderator about this post, like you usually do(HE CALLED ME DUMB), they've allready read it.