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NEWS: Pope may have feeding tube inserted

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posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 01:19 AM
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The Italian daily Corriere della Sera has reported that the Pope's doctors are considering readmitting him to the hospital. The purpose is to check his breathing tube and to possibly insert a feeding tube. The Vatican declined comment on this latest news. However, there have been reports that the Pope has had issues with swallowing.
 



www.billingsgazette.com
VATICAN CITY -- Pope John Paul II may have to return to the hospital to have a feeding tube inserted, an Italian news agency reported Tuesday. It stressed that no decision had been made.

The APcom news agency, citing an unidentified source, said the 84-year-old pope might have to have the tube inserted to improve his nutrition since he is having difficulty swallowing with the breathing tube that was inserted Feb. 24.

APcom said the idea of inserting a feeding tube was a hypothesis that was being considered. The procedure involves inserting a tube into the stomach to allow for artificial feeding.

Earlier Tuesday, the Italian daily Corriere della Sera reported that the pope's doctors were considering a new hospitalization next week both to perform tests on the breathing tube and to adjust his diet because of problems swallowing.


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Funny, this comes on the heel of the Pope saying that hospitals were morally obligated to keep feeding tubes in and that it was "euthanasia by omission". Funny as this runs contrary to the existing policies of most Catholic hospitals in the United States. At any rate, the Pope is clearly having a lot of issues and one has to wonder how much awareness does he really have of the day to day operations. How is really running things now?

[edit on 30-3-2005 by Spectre]




posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 03:50 AM
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In all seriousness what kind of grub can you get through a tube? or is it just the necessary vitamins minerals and fill?

I still maintain that the poor old man is dead, and their just pretending he isn't, ala marionette strings.



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by FredT
Funny, this comes on the heel of the Pope saying that hospitals were morally obligated to keep feeding tubes in and that it was "euthanasia by omission". Funny as this runs contrary to the existing policies of most Catholic hospitals in the United States.


It comes on the heels of a comment on a particular case that is current, but it was previously the stance of the Church. Only reiterated to comment on the situation of Terri.

As for the policies of US Catholic hospitals, it is not uncommon for US Catholic organizations, even some Churches to fly in the face of Catholic teachings. It doesn't make it right and it certainly has no bearing on where the Church stands.



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by Azza
In all seriousness what kind of grub can you get through a tube? or is it just the necessary vitamins minerals and fill?

I still maintain that the poor old man is dead, and their just pretending he isn't, ala marionette strings.


Ensure, or any other commerical concotion that you see advertised. Bosst is another. Those are here in the States, but some are made by Nestle etc



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 06:12 AM
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Just breaking - he has been given a nasal feeding tube.


The Vatican statement said that in order "to improve his calorific intake and promote an efficient recovery of his strength, nutrition via the positioning of a nasal-gastric tube has begun".


news.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 06:21 AM
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Originally posted by FredT

Originally posted by Azza
In all seriousness what kind of grub can you get through a tube? or is it just the necessary vitamins minerals and fill?


Ensure, or any other commerical concotion that you see advertised. Bosst is another. Those are here in the States, but some are made by Nestle etc



Mmmmm, Soylent Cream. It's people you know? It's people.



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 06:22 AM
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Then they'll take him off and let him die like Sciavo. It could happen couldn't it?

Probably not...Is it cuz his life is worth more?

[edit on 30-3-2005 by 00PS]



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 06:55 AM
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Thanks for the Info friends



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 06:57 AM
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I bet there will be no argument about his. If it comes out or not.



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 06:58 AM
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Quote:

"Then they'll take him off and let him die like Sciavo. It could happen couldn't it?

Probably not...Is it cuz his life is worth more? "

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No his life is not worth more, it is because he is not in a PERSISTANT VEGETATIVE STATE with no chance of recovery (yet). I bet they would not let it go for 15 years (like Schiavo).

That John Paul guy seems too proud to stay hooked up for a long time anyway, but that is just my opinion. GOD will save him... LOL!

(now i gotta watch for lightning)

NOBODY ESCAPES THE SPANISH INQUISITION... MWUAHHAAHHAAHHAA!



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 11:22 AM
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This man is of no more worth than anyone else in this world.

I do not find his role as a pope to be "substantially important" in the year 2005, as society becomes more advanced less importance is placed on religion, but unfortunately we still have to deal with the "my religion is more real than urs" crowd"



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 12:33 PM
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The pope is suffering from symptoms Parkinson's disease, tho it is interesting to note the vatican never has admited that. But here are the symptoms

Common Symptoms

The symptoms vary from patient to patient and not every one is affected by all of them. In some people, the disease progresses quickly; in others it does not. The following are the most common primary symptoms of Parkinson's disease.

Tremor: In the early stages of the disease, about 70% of people experience a slight tremor in the hand or foot on one side of the body, or less commonly in the jaw or face. It appears as a 'beating' or oscillating movement and is regular (4-6 beats per second). Because tremor usually appears when the muscles are relaxed, it is called "resting tremor." This means that the affected body part trembles when it is at rest and not doing work and often subsides with action.

Rigidity: Rigidity or increased muscle tone means stiffness or inflexibility of the muscles. Normally muscles contract when they move, and then relax when they are at rest. In rigidity, the muscle tone of an affected limb is stiff. Rigidity can result in a decreased range of motion.

Bradykinesia: Bradykinesia is a slowing of voluntary movement. In addition to slow movements, a person with bradykinesia will likely also have incompleteness of movement, difficulty in initiating movements, and arrests of ongoing movement. Patients may begin to walk with short, shuffling steps (festination), which, combined with other symptoms such as loss of balance, increases the incidence of falls. Bradykinesia and rigidity can occur in the facial muscles, causing a "mask-like" expression with little or no movement of the face. The slowness and incompleteness of movement can also affect speaking and swallowing.

There are many secondary symptoms of Parkinson's disease. These include stooped posture, a tendency to lean forward or backward, and speech problems, such as softness of voice or slurred speech caused by lack of muscle control.

The following is a list of secondary symptoms of Parkinson's disease:

* Speech changes
* Loss of facial expression
* Micrographia (small, cramped handwriting)
* Difficulty swallowing
* Drooling
* Pain
* Dementia or confusion
* Sleep disturbances
* Constipation
* Skin problems
* Depression
* Fear or anxiety
* Memory difficulties and slowed thinking
* Sexual dysfunction (like that is going to matter)
* Urinary problems
* Fatigue and aching
* Loss of energy

Tho honestly he should retire. But of course the Pope's dont want to do so cause then it would set a precident that would weaken thier 'power'.

parkinsions is a LOT differant then a 'persistnt vegitative state' where half of your brain has turned to goo

[edit on 3/30/2005 by Jehosephat]



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 12:50 PM
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Ideally, the Pope should choose a time, and enforce it with his authority, to make his peace with God and disable the life support himself.

There is plenty of precendece for fasting in the Bible, and all major religions, IIRC.

This would be the honorable way out, and would give a man the choice. No one would know but his inner circle. And it leaves the choice of continued life up to God, not the devices and politics and pride of mankind.



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 12:52 PM
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Lucky Pope aint he ??? if only he would live in Florida...he would be experimenting the fabulous "humain starvation"...



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 01:14 PM
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It's emotional responses like this and lack of logic or facts that complicate the world and lead to unnecessary hatred.

if he lived in Florida, he's be just as he is. He's still conscious, speaking, lucid and responsive.

But, let's throw in another jibe that has nothing to do with reality, in order to justify our own belief that the Government should have the right and say about people's lives, rather than their own spouse.

And at the same time, insult a few Christians and Catholics by likening the pope to a *sixteen years gone* brain dead individual.



Originally posted by BaastetNoir
Lucky Pope aint he ??? if only he would live in Florida...he would be experimenting the fabulous "humain starvation"...



posted on Mar, 30 2005 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by BaastetNoir
Lucky Pope aint he ??? if only he would live in Florida...he would be experimenting the fabulous "humain starvation"...


:shk: Its the Pope's choice if he were married an incapacitated it would be his wife's choice. The Pope has made this pretty clear where he stands on the covenant of marriage yet he and these other groups that are holding up the institution are seeking to deny her husband the responsibility or choice.

Let me ask you this: The Pope is pretty much incapacitated yeah he can wave to a crowd, but little else. Would you force a feeding tube on him if he wished not to go that route? Would you tie up endless court time and expense? Would you? Could you?



[edit on 3/30/05 by FredT]



posted on Mar, 31 2005 @ 08:07 AM
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Pope has lost 19kg or 42pounds.

POPE John Paul has lost 19 kilos since his operation five weeks ago, a Vatican source said today, adding there was great concern at the Holy See over his chances of recovery.
"He has lost an estimated 19 kilos," a Vatican source said.

The serious weight loss led doctors to decide to begin to feed the 84-year-old pontiff through a nasal tube yesterday, the source said.

The source said there was "great concern" in the papal entourage of his chances of recovery.

Source



posted on Mar, 31 2005 @ 08:41 AM
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apparently the Pope has a living will...

PARIS (Reuters) - Pope John Paul, now being fed through a nasal tube because of his throat problems, effectively wrote his own "living will" last year in a speech declaring some life-extending treatments a moral duty for Roman Catholics.


Full story...

Pope's 'Living Will' Wants Life Support to the End




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