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Originally posted by nukunuku
and now put both of the above posts together, and you have GOD=ONENESS
Originally posted by babloyi
Neon, that is a very solipsistic (I hope I said that right) way of thinking. Although I am sure both you and me can "connect", we are still both very separate individuals. Unless of course, you are talking physics, and how we are all as mass bodies "effecting" each other .
[edit on 29-3-2005 by babloyi]
Originally posted by babloyi
Or God=Oneness=Threeness, which is just more confusing.
Originally posted by babloyi
Yes helen, I also believe in one God, Father almighty, etc., I just don't believe (as the good dr does), that Jesus alone can speak to God for us (i.e. that Jesus is the only truth).
Originally posted by babloyi
I also don't understand why God needs to be separated into three (and then back into one) to be comprehendable.
Originally posted by babloyi
Also, are you saying that the "Word" came before God? See, if God came 1st, God would have to create the "Word" and the "Son". That would automatically make God greater than either.
Originally posted by babloyi
If all were together, then you would be worshipping 3 separate Gods, which I am sure you are not.
Originally posted by babloyi
Also, have any of the "powers of the cross" been proven? It was the device that killed Jesus. I don't understand how it came to be considered anything more than a vile device of death.
Originally posted by saint4God
Would you agree to disagree that God works in different ways?
Originally posted by saint4God
Did Jesus speak truth?
Originally posted by saint4God
Your computer, is it one part or more than one part? I'll try to explain why after the answer.
Originally posted by saint4God
*nods* He is. Jesus himself acknowledges this many times.
Originally posted by saint4God
You'd said you speak to the same God just as any Christian does? Pardon if I didn't understand the statement in your initial post.
Originally posted by babloyi
Originally posted by nukunuku
and now put both of the above posts together, and you have GOD=ONENESS
Or God=Oneness=Threeness, which is just more confusing.
This is the Paradox of the Universe, resulting from the Principle of Polarity which manifests when THE ALL begins to Create-hearken to it for it points the difference between half-wisdom and wisdom. While to THE INFINITE ALL, the Universe, its Laws, its Powers, its Life, its Phenomena, are as things witnessed in the state of Meditation or Dream; yet to all that is Finite, the Universe must be treated as Real, and life, and action, and thought, must be based thereupon, accordingly, although with an ever understanding of the Higher Truth. Each according to its own Plane and Laws. Were THE ALL to imagine that the Universe were indeed Reality, then woe to the Universe, for there would be then no escape from lower to higher, divineward-then would the Universe become a fixity and progress would become impossible. And if Man, owing to half-wisdom, acts and lives and thinks of the Universe as merely a dream (akin to his own finite dreams) then indeed does it so become for him, and like a sleep-walker he stumbles ever around and around in a circle, making no progress, and being forced into an awakening at last by his falling bruised and bleeding over the Natural Laws which he ignored. Keep your mind ever on the Star, but let your eyes watch over your footsteps, lest you fall into the mire by reason of your upward gaze. Remember the Divine Paradox, that while the Universe IS NOT, still IT IS. Remember ever the Two Poles of Truth-the Absolute and the Relative. Beware of Half-Truths.
What Hermetists know as "the Law of Paradox" is an aspect of the Principle of Polarity. The Hermetic writings are filled with references to the appearance of the Paradox in the consideration of the problems of Life and Being. The Teachers are constantly warning their students against the error of omitting the "other side" of any question. And their warnings are particularly directed to the problems of the Absolute and the Relative, which perplex all students of philosophy, and which cause so many to think and act contrary to what is generally known as "common sense." And we caution all students to be sure to grasp the Divine Paradox of the Absolute and Relative, lest they become entangled in the mire of the Half-Truth. With this in view this particular lesson has been written. Read it carefully!
The first thought that comes to the thinking man after he realizes the truth that the Universe is a Mental Creation of THE ALL, is that the Universe and all that it contains is a mere illusion; an unreality; against which idea his instincts revolt. But this, like all other great truths, must be considered both from the Absolute and the Relative points of view. From the Absolute viewpoint, of course, the Universe is in the nature of an illusion, a dream, a phantasmagoria, as compared to THE ALL in itself. We recognize this even in our ordinary view, for we speak of the world as "a fleeting show" that comes and goes, is born and dies-for the element of impermanence and change, finiteness and unsubstantiality, must ever be connected with the idea of a created Universe when it is contrasted with the idea of THE ALL, no matter what may be our beliefs concerning the nature of both. Philosopher, metaphysician, scientist and theologian all agree upon this idea, and the thought is found in all forms of philosophical thought and religious conceptions, as well as in the theories of the respective schools of metaphysics and theology.
Originally posted by babloyi
Hey Saint,
Originally posted by saint4God
Would you agree to disagree that God works in different ways?
Isn't the saying "God works in mysterious ways"? Different works too, but that would mean that while you worship God through Jesus, I worship God directly. That comes back to the original question. Is there a single truth? Is what we are both doing "truth"?
Originally posted by babloyi
Originally posted by saint4God
Did Jesus speak truth?
I am sure he did. It's just that I am not so sure that the guys who barely knew him, and who wrote about him years after he was gone were speaking the truth.
Originally posted by babloyi
Originally posted by saint4God
Your computer, is it one part or more than one part? I'll try to explain why after the answer.
I don't believe that God needs to "divide" to be more easily understood. See, my concept of God would be along the lines of a "Divine ONE". Separating that into three (even if it is still one) doesn't work right, because the UNITY and ONENESS is then gone. It is easier to realise God as one. However, ok, I'll play along. My computer is composed of more than one part.
Originally posted by babloyi
Great! Lets say that I wish to only acknowledge only the greater part of God (your Father). I do not wish to have my messages past through Jesus. Since the "Father" would be the first, I wish to only worship Him. Does that seem acceptable? However, already there is more than one truth.
Originally posted by babloyi
Originally posted by saint4God
You'd said you speak to the same God just as any Christian does? Pardon if I didn't understand the statement in your initial post.
It has happened on occasion.
Originally posted by helen670
The demonic hosts tremble when they see the Cross, because the kingdom of hell was destroyed by the Cross. They do not dare to draw near to anyone who is guarded by the Cross.
Originally posted by helen670
The whole human race, by the death of Christ on the Cross, received deliverance from the authority of the devil, and everyone who makes use of this saving weapon is inaccessible to the demons.
When legions of demons appeared to St. Anthony the Great and other desert-dwellers, they guarded themselves with the sign of the Cross, and the demons vanished.
www.fatheralexander.org...
I hope that helps......Im sorry if it's a bit long to read.......
helen.....
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
I could write quite a text on this subject for I have witnessed much the last couple of years. It has changed my whole attitude on some subjects, and brought back to me something so important.
Yes, I did say witnessed. Why me? I don't know. However, my inner strength grows daily. It is so powerful.
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
I being of no specific "religion" do carry the cross in my pocket. Spiritual I AM. The single truth is that there is a God, and many many ways for you to get to him or him to come to you.
Contrary to those whose agendas are under the guise of God I get really upset when I hear the ONLY way. Jesus, the only way, etc. Many in the world don't even know who he was and never will. Does that "entitle" them to eternal damnation. Of course not.
Each religion has many holes. However, as long as one does not have a hole in his heart, and listens to the holy spirit within each of us this world would be a lot better place.
I could write quite a text on this subject for I have witnessed much the last couple of years. It has changed my whole attitude on some subjects, and brought back to me something so important.
Yes, I did say witnessed. Why me? I don't know. However, my inner strength grows daily. It is so powerful.