about china & usa

hello everyone,im from china,i live in beijing,im a student.i don't known if the have some chinese too.
i found the people who in the forum is professional in military and politics,so i want to
have a impersonality disscuss with you.but please tolerance my poor enilsh.
china and usa is the great country in the world,and so many stings we should study from us,
in my opinion we should be friend not enemy or opponent.be a common people,the most we wanted
is have a peace life.i love these film from hollywood,i love nba and so on.if there some one
love china too?you have a developedindustry and economic,we are developing county,we can learn
many things from you.when 991 happened,we grieve too.we all want live in a peace world,but it
not means we should have the same attitude in some otherthings.we choose communism and you choose
captialism,we are in different way,but we have the same aim let people have a happiness life,
we shouldn't for the different way become enemy,we don't Soviet Union.china has her great and
resplendence history,but after 1900s it become ashameful and then the ccp lead our change the
situation,it is a complex course,i thought it is difficult to understand for forign people,but one
thing is definitude that we choose communism is not choose become the opponent of you,we choose
the way is for have a happiness life.and now ,you could see,china has become more and more strong,
everything is developing to better,may be there have some spot,but everything is change,im happy
to see these spot will change too.if usa didn't want to help our,please don't disturb our.
as far as taiwan,i want to say,taiwan is inherence territory for china(my english is so poor,that i don't
known how to exact expression these).us goverment have his own attitude or aim in the problerm,whatever you do,
chinese will never tolerance taiwan autocephaly from china,mybe american will neve understand these. we known
you military's equipment is advanced than ours,but however we will pay and sacrifice ,we'll still safeguard
the full of the territory.you mybe neve known how strong of our determination and courage.full of the territory
hyper-everything.u thought our didn't freedom,i dont't think so,but these not clag we become friends.
at the last,i want to say is that the war is not a joke,we should understanding each other, and we have the same
goal let every have a happiness life its hyper-everything too.
i want to known what you thought about "if china and usa have a chance to make a friend".and what is you opinion
or attitude to china.
ps:we are not Soviet Union.











Mod edit for thread title.


[edit on 3-30-2005 by ProudAmerican]

As a American I think that would be great if our countries became strong allies some day. I know People in China just want whats best for their people just like every other country. Our two countries already have very strong economic ties. If anything that a good starting point to a good relationship. Its not good business to go to war with such a major trading partner.

Personally I like asian culture and history a great deal both Japanese and Chinese. The art covering everything from painting to sword making stands out as a favorite of mine. Our cultures may be very different but thats a good thing in my opinion as we can learn new things from each other.

China is going to become a Super power and be a driving force in the world and I think we have to learn to work together for the whole of mankind. We dont need another cold war like we had with Russia from that we gain nothing and stand to lose so much. If The US and China ever went to war it would be a bad day for people every where on the planet no matter what country you lived in.

If two major powers like the US and China work together would could accomplish some amazing things in the world.

If China and Usa have chance to make friend...

I am from USA and am living in Chengdu, Sichuan. I have been here for 3 years.

I understand much of the Chinese mentality about the nations relationship with the USA but I ask you, as a Chinese Expatriot...why don't you think they are friends already?

Do you think they are not working together already and that the propaganda in media reports is to mislead us away from their covert cooperation?

Or am I wrong?

[edit on 29-3-2005 by 00PS]

I'm sure the door for friendship will always be open given our democratic nature but it more than reasonable to remain vigilant. We are on a path to conflict or co-operation - the US has shown its hand.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick." Teddy Roosevelt

PS - why exclude the Indians from this post - is your kind nature selective or just artificial in the first place?

[edit on 29-3-2005 by Vanguard]

Indeed...
Why keep the Indians out?..
Lets just all be friends aye??

Or does this guy expect indians on ATS to go...

"nooooooooooooo ..never!!!! china and the US can never be friends!!..
That spoils India's plans for world domination!!!"




EDIT: I think this guy got ticked off by that "cheap chinese copies" thread which was (he seems to have noted) started by an Indian..

Well Mr. Paranoid if you'd read that thread carefully, then you'd see that the majority of the China bashing that took place there was originating from US posters..
I infact myself ( being indian) posted saying that and i quote:


"this thread is not in good taste for this forum"..


and why bash the Soviet Union at the same time?..
Are you implying that the soviets are worthy of american ire??
A student you may be, but seriously, how old are you peacworld?

A rather loaded thread to mark your entry into ATS I must say!!
Nonetheless I welcome you and wish you all the best..
(and along with that I wish you some broadening of perspective)
Sorry to have posted on your exclusively non-indian thread..


But seriously friendship between countries in the true sense of the word is a utopian concept..

"Friends and enemies are never permanent, only national interests are"

Any country using that as a motto cannot falter..




[edit on 29-3-2005 by Daedalus3]

For why China and America isn't great buddies yet is because of the American foreign policy and its attitude toward the world especially in the area of Taiwan.

Taiwan is a part of China, no doubt about that but because of the civil war that basically did not end, nationalists still exists and occupies Taiwan. America signed an act with Taiwan for weapons and possible defence if PLA decides to take over the island. China hated America for that, still do. But if the Taiwan issue was to disappear, I can't see much reason how China and America shouldn't be friends like in the 80's.

Another thing is America's attitude toward foreign countries. Starting a new war every two, three years and attacking countries that had basically no way to strikeback (bullying, internationally by my opinion). With actions like that, every country, even America most valuable allies must keep one eye opened at all times.

As an American, I think that America and China are trading and importing a lot of stuff form each other, and I don't think that eth of them want to ruin that. However I think if China attacks Taiwan then the U.S. will have to back up its words or it will come out looking like a duck. However if the Taiwan situation is resolved then I don't see why we couldn't get along.

Hey peacworld isn't that the exact same thing you posted on SinoDefence forum?

to Taishyou:you are right,same thing i posted on SinoDefence forum.
my purpose is want to known more american's attitude and idea in this
question.and there have some reasons why i say "indian please keep out!you are not welcome",
because the topic is not relat to india,and i wanted is american's idea not indian,and the
main important is that i couldn't understant the indian's logic in something,i have readed some
topic which indian's,i found is hard to have a discuss with indian,is hard to have a honesty
talk with them,and i found that where have indian where have combat in the forum.i didn't want
my topic become a battlefield.
to Daedalus3:i can tell my age is 21.
"The new axis of evil!
Russia-China-India"
what's you attestation?you opinion from media?i thought,everything you be told,you should
consider it is really true!if you thought a country is you enemy,then,the country have to
become you enemy.i have the same opinion with you in the past,but now i didn't.i have more
maturate thoughts in something.
as the words""Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
"
i don't think so.it's too utterly.mybe we don't with you,but not means we choose the terrorists choose you enemy.
and these words be said to Europe about the Iraq question,in my opinion.

thanks you reply.

[edit on 29-3-2005 by peacworld]

The U.S would want to be friends with China if...


* China felt Taiwan alone

* China improved it's human rights

* China didn't try and steal our weapons technology (see bipartisan Congressional Cox report from the 1990's)


These are the three main things.

Originally posted by peacworld
to Taishyou:you are right,same thing i posted on SinoDefence forum.
my purpose is want to known more american's attitude and idea in this
question.and there have some reasons why i say "indian please keep out!you are not welcome",
because the topic is not relat to india,and i wanted is american's idea not indian,and the
main important is that i couldn't understant the indian's logic in something,i have readed some
topic which indian's,i found is hard to have a discuss with indian,is hard to have a honesty
talk with them,and i found that where have indian where have combat in the forum.i didn't want
my topic become a battlefield.
to Daedalus3:i can tell my age is 21.
"The new axis of evil!
Russia-China-India"
what's you attestation?you opinion from media?i thought,everything you be told,you should
consider it is really true!if you thought a country is you enemy,then,the country have to
become you enemy.i have the same opinion with you in the past,but now i didn't.i have more
maturate thoughts in something.
as the words""Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
"
i don't think so.it's too utterly.mybe we don't with you,but not means we choose the terrorists choose you enemy.
and these words be said to Europe about the Iraq question,in my opinion.

thanks you reply.

[edit on 29-3-2005 by peacworld]

I don't thin kyou understand..
I AM Indian!!
And my "axis of evil" is my utopian alliance to counter the west..

to NWguy83:
i insist on that if you want to discuss china you should do a lot working at research chinese
history,then,you will found what we'll do and what is we want.taiwan is apart of china,you known
that?and why we should felt taiwan alone?that's just like some country told USA "you should let
NEW YORK alone"!that's funny.and my puzzle is that why we can't solve taiwan problem by unpeaceful
resort,taiwan is belong to china,but america could warring in Iraq?if the war in iraq's purpose is
protect the american's safe,but what is the reason you warring in taiwan?protect the people in taiwan?
they are chinese too.the taiwan problem is chinese problem,it's our problem,not your,you didn't have the
right and qualification in the question.be american mybe you'll never known what's attitude every chinese
have on the integrity of territory.be a commen chinese,i can tell you,if one day my county need me and
even my life,i'll never scruple.and how many american want pay their life on another county's problem,
the whole thing is off the mark of american.we pay whatever we have.for thousands years,we have the same
attitude in these problem.please trust me.
as for the human rights,i want to ask you if you have been to china?you real known the situation we live
in.i can tell you,we have enough human rights,and every year the human rights is improving.i didn't want to
say more in these problem,we choose the diffent way,is complex to say.the fundamentality problem in china is
economic problem,when the economic developed the other problems are solved too.i think america goverment known
this,but why they adopt the policy keep within limits china?i doubt the purpose of america goverment,they really
want to inprove the human rights in china.
about steal you weapons technology,is hard to say,no one have the certitude attestation."li wen he"you known,who
working in a nucleus laboratory,the thing what has happend in him proved that some american fake in "china steal
usa's weapons technology" for some propose,that's only my opinion.you needn'd so angry in this problem,anycountry
wants steal other countries technology,you can't deny that.

to Daedalus3:
in the original i doubt you are indian,you have so many blemish that indian have.
in my opinion indian poster's main purpose in aborad forum have two:
the first is eager to gain respect from other country,they usually say that "indian new combat jet",
"indian new air carrier"and so on,and then wait others say "wow these good,wonderful!",but everyone
konwn that these all trash expect themselves,have a wet dream,please help youself.the second is that
disturb other's topic especial chinese,they thought we were they enemy,bu we thought they didn't
have the competency.
and you should neve tell our you are indian,you behave in here improve my opinion that indian
is discourtesy and alogical in disscuss,all they can do is empty words and attack others who
have the different opinion with him.
please keep out!i didn't want my topic full of indian junk.and PLEASE keep out again!

[edit on 30-3-2005 by peacworld]

I am a Chinese student study in UK. Sorry to waste your time if you have seen this post since I have posted it on one other thread.

Please don't look our govement like north korean, we are totally different... If we are still follow the political and economic policies of the USSR, we won't get any better in any of our situations, we either will end up like USSR with the poor economic or even worse than north korean. You should know it's not easy to solve the food problem for a county of over 1 billion population with very limited plantable land with the weston pressure after half century of civil war and foreign invasive war. Russian didn't help us, korean didn't help. We can only rely on ourself and we solevd it much better.

Yes, we are socialism. But wht's whrong with socialism, we are not some kind of extremism socialism and deny every thing of capitalism. But we paid a lot of attentions to learn from capitalism.I have to mention the intention of socialism is A social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community. Can you say it's a bad a intention. but from the collapse of many socialism countries, we know we need our own kind of socialism system. we call it the socialism with Chinese characteristic which comband the advantages of socialism and the advantages of capitalism.

You may always think all the chinese people have been brainwashed. Their govement is autocratic. They have no freedom to speech, ........ There are over 2 millions of chinese oversea students all over the world. Most of them speak English read the weston media news. If the govement is autocratic like you may think. Then the govement should be very worried about their autocratic regime. Better don't let students go aborad to know what the real weston world democracy is. since govement know they are different in some way but there is no much differnces and they getting similar in nowadays, So they are not worrying too much....

I have been UK for 7 years since my A levels. I am going back next year after my Master degree. Because the situation there is not like what you may think. I see more development opportunities there than UK. human rights is not actually like weston always said. we do have free speech, we can protest as long as you don't go to violence, we can taunt our govener anywhere..If you go to the Chinese formal govement newgent XINHUA news forum website, you will see lots of the criticized debate about current govenment policies and goveners all over the country, which also is the forum what our prime minister often visit to see the real voice from people......

Someone may criticise about Falun gong, Go to some most popular chinese oversea or indigenous student websiite forum....See How people say about Falun gong, 99.9999999% chinese students whereever they are, they know Falun gong is just kind of swindler, they aim to the uneducated people in china. there have been so many extremist suicide cos believe they can go to paradise.

And a real Example, my uncle had encephalomyelitis five years ago, but his situation was not that bad by taking medical treatment at that time. but he insist not to take any treatment after he start to Falun gong as what Falun gong told people not to take any medical treatment and Falun will cure any sickness if you believe it. He died after 1 year he pratice the idot Falun and stop his medical treatment... I am really shame and sick to see the Fanlun people protest anywhere in UK.

Every country got their own problems, Especially, for a big country with 1.3 billion populations have 56 different minority groups. So the democracy has to be gradually and very carefully in a big nation, not at once. We don't want to be second russia( no offensive to russian, I mean govement policies). We will have fully democracy it's just factor of time cos what i can see is democracy is getting better and better everyday and the situation now it's not bad at all.........We don't want fully copy of american democracy because it just won't suit us fully cos we have different culture and ideology.


We don't hate american. Our relations between US are getting better and better. We hope to be friend not enemy but please don't create your enemy by yourself. Our culture determined we were and wil never a aggressive nation even in our age of richest and strongest nation in the world(Ming dynasty and Tang dynasty)

Please open your mind my friends to understand and respect the differences of nation's culture, history, religion and beliefs.










[edit on 30-3-2005 by wfliu]

wfliu
thanks you reply!for my poor english i can't expression me integrity,and i am very agree with you,i think every chinese have the same opinion with you,at least 99.99999%.china and america have different culture,we need
more communion to understand each other,and you'll find we have so much
common ground in extensive domain.and i believe that chinese know more
america than american know our.

China and the US are already friends, though they fight over certain issues and the US is wary of growing chinese power because they could knock them off their perch. Taiwan will be the big sticking issue, because if the US backs down that'll be the end of their time as the worlds bully. Also American pride is an issue, they dont want to appear weak.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
I think if China attacks Taiwan then the U.S. will have to back up its words or it will come out looking like a duck

we have some firsthand evidence here!

thanks,
drfunk

[edit on 30-3-2005 by drfunk]

peacwold, it's not right to group all people in a particular way. Most Indians i know are very nice.

If you wanted to speak to Americans then just say that you want to speak to Americans.

Oh yeah, also put some empty lines "\n" between your paragraphs, makes them easier to read.

Finally, it's nice to hear from someone in Beijing.

P.S I'am an Australian with a Chinese background.

[edit on 30-3-2005 by rapier28]

The CCP today is very different from the old school Stalin communism. They have changed a LOT since first establishment in 1949. The biggest change is during the reforms of '80 - '88. They have now become more democratic, more socialist (away from communist), and less extreme than they were before. All I have to say about the CCP is that it should continue in the direction it was heading since the reforms. The cause of the 1989 Tian An Meng massacre was because the CCP slowed down the reform and people don't like that. Ever since then the CCP has learned a big lesson about human rights because many foreign countries stopped helping, supporting, having good relations with them. Remember, the CCP is a relatively young government, only in power for ~50 years. It started off as a huge band of mostly peasants who knew nothing about politics, so to see it advance so much since then, it's actually not bad.

The reason the CCP was very extreme in the 50s was because the country before that was a COMPLETE MESS. Parts were conquered by foreign powers, there was mass civil disorder, and there was a civil war. China was once a world's leading kingdom in the Feudal eras, so to see it all messed up since the latter Qing dynasty (the last dynasty before monarchy government is overthrown) was very sad for the Chinese people. The majority then decided to stand up for the ruined country and regroup. Well that was what the CCP was about.

Today, the country was close to reunited (except GMD which fought the CCP but lost then fled to Taiwan). In addition, China recovered dramatically and is even catching up with the West. As long as they keep it up, they will do very nicely in the future.

Great civilizations have always colided - its in our nature. There is no point denying it. US and China are heading for a showdown.

China will not remain passive and weak. Is see China's posturing but I await their move.

[edit on 30-3-2005 by Vanguard]

Originally posted by Vanguard
Great civilizations have always colided - its in our nature. There is no point denying it. US and China are heading for a showdown.

China will not remain passive and weak. Is see China's posturing but I await their move.

[edit on 30-3-2005 by Vanguard]

No, i don't really see a showdown.

Frankly, China couldn't care less if the U.S remained the lone superpower in the World. China will never seek the number 1 or 2 position in the World, it is not in China's nature, that is why China has survived all these years.

The only thing that could trigger conflict is Taiwan, and it will be a limited conflict at worst.