please don't mistake my mockery of this hoax as trollisms.

or, in the words of Arnold Jackson "who you calling a troll Willis?"

I think you guys are being a bit rough on him, he presented the evidence and stated his theory. You have a right to draw your own conclusions from there. But to ridicule him and make jokes is to play into society. It's the same thing as making fun of someone because thier pants don't cover thier socks.

I have not been able to see the movie yet (won't open on mac for some reason) but it is so damn blurry that its hard to tell what is really happening... so I have to say that I belive we did go to the moon, and that this isn't enough to debunk that.

i am accusing the original poster of troll-ism, due to the fact that after being seriously smashed by debunkers with literal tons of information to the contrary of his beliefs, he continues to knowingly post false information. sorry for any misunderstandings

This is new information supporting his case (or not, but it tries to support his case). So why shouldn't he post it? What if there really IS a curtain and all that. I bet you if I (a new member) posted this video and tried to point out the people pulling down the curtain then you would seriously take a look and consider it. This poster, whoever he is, has a negative stigma and I belive you are holding it against him.

im sorry you must be mistkaing me for someone else. i dont know who this poster is and i dont want to. i just looked at the 'evidence' and deemed it unworthy. beyond that, he sounds like any other grocery store troll ive run into.

Well, at least he is attempting to provide evidence for the claim.
I think the label of Troll may be misplaced...

unless....

the russians had faked every aspect of their own space program. They thought the US knew and by not calling the US out on the landing hoax, their own phony space missions were left uncovered. This joint effort to conceal the truth is a result of many NWO meetings where the topic of global domination and intergalactic expansion were discussed. It was agreed upon by the various groups at the meetings that it was in the best interest of the NWO to fool the public rather than make a fool out of one of the superpowers.

In a strange twist, a moon landing did occur. It was a joint effort between the US and the Soviets and it went off without a hitch. On the moon they found all kinds of alien bases and eventually meetings between the NWO and Aliens began. The NWO and these Aliens have been working for decades to bring about the final stages of the NWO.

This would certainly require many grand leaps of faith...
1. That all of the Soviet cosmonauts and American astronauts are all part of this grand conspiracy.
2. That the US would allow Russia to get away with being first with a Sputnik fakery.
3. That the US and Russia could agree on this, while simultaneously trying to destroy the other with espionage and an arms race.
4. That all the people working at NASA, and it's Russian equivalent, are being duped.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Well, at least he is attempting to provide evidence for the claim.
I think the label of Troll may be misplaced...

This would certainly require many grand leaps of faith...
1. That all of the Soviet cosmonauts and American astronauts are all part of this grand conspiracy.
2. That the US would allow Russia to get away with being first with a Sputnik fakery.
3. That the US and Russia could agree on this, while simultaneously trying to destroy the other with espionage and an arms race.
4. That all the people working at NASA, and it's Russian equivalent, are being duped.

number 4 is the closest to reality-
ok i want to clear something up-first of all i do not even remotely entertain the notion of extra-terrestrial beings or aliens of any sort-my posts on iapetus do not even suggest the possibilty- my perspective is one that considers a recent "lost history" type scenario the most plausible-also the belief that the world has been at odds with each other is another conspiracy all together-i do not accept war as "necessary" nor do i see it as political fuedalism but instead a manufactured system of oppression and slavery-sure the people have been taught to believe that we're all enemies but imo all the governments of the world are all instrumental in weaving a false perception of reality that they intentionally use to create classes that are readily corrupted and exploited in order to maintain supremecy---go ahead and ignore the images that came from the nasa video-even though there are people on the moon hiding under black curtains--to think that man is not clever enough to fool his brother is your only mistake but i will not hold it against you my brothers for you know "not" what you do

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Originally posted by Sunofone
that image prove nothing!
it sure is funny to hear people claiming that you can actually see a crater from orbit that isnt even visible from a few feet away-post an appollo 15 mission image that shows a huge scorched crater like the one shown beneath the lander--ha lol

Lol indeed.

You do realise that the Lander took off from the Moon using a hell of a lot more power than it did in the final stages of landing? They didnt come screaming in and slam on the brakes at the last second. The floated in gently. However they did take off under max power, creating the dark spot seen. (Not a crater, re-read the comment underneath before flying off the handle).

Sry I'm not completely biased, closed minded or refuse to accept anything other that what is being spoon fed to me by the establishment, but I still don't see the arm you are talking about.
It could be anything.

Why is it that "evidance" is always so fuzzy and indistinct? Don't answer that btw... rhetorical you know

Hmmmmmmmm.......(Sitting at keyboard shaking his head. Cant understand why mod. hasnt closed thread. This cant be happening )

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looks like the landing pad's foil to me, besides, try telling the millions of people who worked on project apollo that the moon landing was a hoax. I'm sure all those people will believe your blurry image as "proof" that they worked their fingers off to build the means to travel to the moon so the govt could just tape a fake landing somewhere in the desert. maybe someone could also explain why on apollo 15 dave scott was able to drop a feather and a hamer at the same time on the lunar surface and have them both land at the same time? I'm under the impression that such an experiment isn't possible on earth because we have an atmosphere.

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Originally posted by Sunofone
honestly kano i may be mistaken- i was under the impression that landing and taking off from a planetary body with no atmosphere was similar

No, of course it isn't. When landing you lose the bulk of your downward speed well above the surface, drift around to find the correct landing spot, and set down as gently as possible. The lighter gravity makes it even more gentle, light thrust in the final stages just to cancel out enough gravity.

Whereas with takeoff, theres no point in taking off slowly and wasting fuel, they use high thrust, getting as much speed as possible as quickly as possible to reach orbit and hook up with the command module. Its a completely different ballgame.

Originally posted by Sunofone


believe me when the video and the images are seen in real time there is little doubt as to what is there-unless your completely biased,close minded and refuse to accept anything other that what is being spoon fed to you by the establishment -

This is NOT a good way to rally people to your cause........

The statment you made could very well apply to yourself.

I don't believe anyone here has had any significant discussion on these findings - just lots of immature slanging matches back and forth. I can see the arm - very interesting find.
Something else worth noting is the press conference about the moon landing - the astronauts when faced with excited questions from reporters wishing to know what it is like landing on the moon, seem very serious and nervous and scared. I'll try and find a link to the video i am referring to. Oh, and when faced with a question about being able to see stars from the moon, two slightly contradictory answers.

Originally posted by The Block
Hmmmmmmmm.......(Sitting at keyboard shaking his head. Cant understand why mod. hasnt closed thread. This cant be happening )

Once again, responding to a (often) repeated thread with a (often) repeated answer...

I used to be one who believed that the moon landing was a farse. The lighting and shadows didn't aline, the movements of the actors didn't seem to be what was expected, lunar dust really wasn't there, EVERYTHING seemed staged, especially when one considers the movie Capricorn One (come on, someone's gotta remember that one!)

But then I started to hear about some of the astronaught's conversations concerning spacecraft on crater rims, orbiting objects, a rarely heard statement of "we are not alone up here"...

Not to mention the geological anomolies, a supposed "glass dome" or a far-fetched and confusing picture of a "floating castle"...

I can ignore the castle and the glass dome. Heck, I can even ignore "unusual surface features"; those strike me too much as sounding from a Fantastic Four comic book featuring the Watcher... but what strikes me is the astronaughts talking about UFO's. Lights. Moving objects. Gleaming metalic surfaces.

Which puts me in a far different catagory: the Maybe's.

Maybe we did go to the moon. Maybe we didn't. I think there is enough evidence for both sides to have as much fun as they want to debunk each other. So here are two questions for each side of the arguement:

1. For those who say we did go... why haven't we been back again? Costs? A loss of technology or drive?

2. For those who say we didn't go... then explain the astronaughts seeing unexplained craft and lights.

That's it, that's all. There is my dilema. I want to believe we went for science sake. But for some reason, I am torn. Why haven't we returned? How did we land with a craft that was ridden with so many problems (aka oxygen tank rupture, launch problems, lunar dust expectancy)? What were those things they did see up there? What were the objects that trailed the orbiter?

How can I believe they saw spacecraft if we didn't go to the moon? How can I except we landed on the moon in light of my own observations?

See my problem?

Anyway... to sum up... alien craft and Capricorn One. What else is there?



{edited, spelling}

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AAggghhh!! It always says connecting...connecting... I can't see them!!!