Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
i dont disagree with your 'names and numbers' comment. actually this is a thought of my own. [...] as the saying goes i choose the lesser of the two
evils. our society cannot exist presently without money. either you become TOTALLY socialist and abolish money in the extreme, or you retain a FREE
market. there is NO inbetween. however, with 99% of the population being so ridiculously materialistic, money is here to stay. until we reach the
technological point where no physical labour is nessescary, we MUST err on the side of the "free".
I can see where you're coming from... But I disagree with you on your point about Communism being the great evil... On the contrary I believe it is
basically Utopia, the bestest of the best way of running a society... It just makes sense... Did you know that even
Eienstein was socialist...
But I agree with you on the fact that
true and
pure Communism cannot exist with money... But the sad fact of the matter is; we still
live in a Capitalist world - Socialism is supposed to be a GLOBAL revolution... But when it didn't take shape all over the world (mainly due to
Stalin and Western Imperialism) we were left with tiny countries like Cuba and now up and coming
Venezuela, standing out like sore thumbs - They are just waiting for a 1st-World country to get behind
them and turn red...
But I do not know if you know much about the Venezuelan revolution taking place... But they are in a transitional phase at the moment...
Capitalism ->
Socialism -> Communism -> Autonomous Living (Anarchism)
It cant all happen over night - which is why we need to build a revolution everywhere and anywhere - in order to make the world a better place... But
eventually, once the global revolution takes place - there will be no money, sexism, racism, destruction of the environment etc etc...
One has to realise, that all these problems stem from a Capitalist society... If one were to look at Cuba - Right up until 1991 (when USSR fell) Cuba
had no gambling, no prostitution, no organised crime, no-one stole from eachother... It wasnn't until they breifly brought in the US dollar (as a
legitimate form of currency) that these problems arose again...
Originally posted by forsakenwayfarer
yes, i suppose i could be considered right wing, although i dont really wholly agree with the ideals supported within. granted, i have a righteous
hate for the pretzel logic of liberalism. its like selling all the lights in your house to pay your electric bill.
Or throwing your self on a fire to avoid being drowned... What
would you define your political orientation as?
Originally posted by Onewingeddemon
This thread would be here even if the US was perfect.
Obviously your a Communist, so you come with an agenda. That agenda would include bashing on the USA, the most powerful Capitalist country in the
world.
Yes, people here must work to make a living.
No, the government will not spoon feed you.
Yes, if your willing to work hard, you will achieve success.
No, you don't have to have to work if you don't want to.
Yes, this thread is BS.
If the US wasn't taking over other countries to feed its Imperialist/Capitalist agenda and got rid of the institutionalised racism in the country,
and actually went towards a Socialist direction - NO, this thread would not be here...
Yes, humans are a thinking and creative animal designed for working - We get an endorphin buzz when we create...
No, the government is not going to spoon feed you, the wealth would merely be distributed according to need rather than profits...
Yes, if you work hard you
can become a success BUT... I think if one were to do some research (I will use Belgium as an example (the US
is worse))
It costs $20-Million dollars to set up a factory (Means of Production)... The workers in that factory sell their labour to the factory owner - in
order to make their money (ie to survive) BUT, even if that factory worker NEVER spent a penny out of their pay checks, by the time they reached 65
(Retiring age) they would STILL not have the $20-Million dollars needed for them themselves to become a Capitalist (Factory Owner) - Instead, they are
locked into a system whereby they work to get money (to buy food, housing, family, wives, cars, etc etc)... They are locked in the system...
The Invisible Laws of Capitalism
The laws of capitalism, invisible and blind for most people, act upon the individual without his awareness. He sees only the broadness of a horizon
that appears infinite. Capitalist propaganda presents it in just this way, and attempts to use the Rockefeller case (true or not) as a lesson in the
prospects for success. The misery that must be accumulated for such an example to arise and the sum total of baseness contributing to the formation of
a fortune of such magnitude do not appear in the picture, and the popular forces are not always able to make these concepts clear. (It would be
fitting at this point to study how the works of the imperialist countries gradually lose their international class spirit under the influence of a
certain complicity in the exploitation of the dependent countries and how this fact at the same time wears away the militant spirit of the masses
within their own national context, but this topic is outside the framework of the present note).
In any case we can see the obstacle course which may apparently be overcome by an individual with the necessary qualities to arrive at the finish
line. The reward is glimpsed in the distance and the road is solitary. Furthermore, it is a race of wolves: he who arrives does so only at the expense
of the failure of others.
I shall now attempt to define the individual, the actor in this strange and moving drama that is the building of socialism, in his two-fold existence
as a unique being and a member of the community.
I believe that the simplest approach is to recognise his un-made quality: he is an unfinished product. The flaws of the past are translated into the
present in the individual consciousness and constant efforts must be made to eradicate them. The process is two-fold: on the one hand society acts
upon the individual by means of direct and indirect education, while on the other hand, the individual undergoes a conscious phase of self-education.
by Ernesto 'Che' Guevara - excerpt from
Man and Socialism in Cuba
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