US populous "brainwashed" from an early age...

It isn't just TV and commercialism. There are many forms of brainwashing going on in our society. In the United States, all large institutions work to indoctrinate their members. Although, some are more effective than others, and the "ethics" of different institutions, vary.

Starting at an early age, of course there are churches and schools. However, the influence of things like summer camps should not be discounted. They bring together kids, isolating them from their parents, where various sorts of pressure can be exorted to train those kids to conform to the group, whatever its values.

In colleges, fraternities have their initiation rituals. They make their initiates undergo various rituals, where they are indoctrinated into the group. The same applies to the military, and other government organizations.

Once you've brainwashed the parents, it only becomes all that much easier to brainwash the children. What do you think masochistic spanking is about? However, they don't trust the parents to brainwash their own children.

Do you ever really think about how much drug their is? How much of that is keeping people from fighting the system? Teachers are trained to use the most advanced known psychological techniques to teach children to behave. Of course, despite all this, it doesn't always work perfectly.

There also have been experiments, with more sophisticated electronic brain control mechanisms. However, those are complicated to use, and other ways have been found much easier to use. Certain frequencies sound waves, can have certain effects on people, but that is mostly for croud control. Although, music is much more powerful, and can motivate people to do almost anything.

Since World War II, ever more sophisticated mind control mechanisms have been used on Americans. It has been documented, that the fraternity brain washing rituals, were mostly started by ex-soldiers, who learned them from the training for World War II.

I haven't studied the history all that well, but fighting wars is always easier when you can get people to obey you. It is easy to see that facism was quite effective at gaining obedience. For noble or inoble reasons, the U.S. government decided they needed to control the economy, and they ended up going further with propoganda, and even mind control.

Once you get started with a system of mass mind control and propoganda, it is very hard for it to just stop. The people, who can manipulate people, get caught up in their work. The manipulated become manipulaters of still more people, and the cycle worsens I think it has been happening pretty much continuously since that time.

At this point, I think will continue and continue, as it continues growing in sophistication. I don't think these kind of things will just stop, or start to shrink on their own. Most probably, it just continues until it gets so big, that the whole system collapses, although I think we are quite a ways from there, still.

It isn't just TV and commercialism. There are many forms of brainwashing going on in our society. In the United States, all large institutions work to indoctrinate their members. Although, some are more effective than others, and the "ethics" of different institutions, vary.

Starting at an early age, of course there are churches and schools. However, the influence of things like summer camps should not be discounted. They bring together kids, isolating them from their parents, where various sorts of pressure can be exorted to train those kids to conform to the group, whatever its values.

In colleges, fraternities have their initiation rituals. They make their initiates undergo various rituals, where they are indoctrinated into the group. The same applies to the military, and other government organizations.

Once you've brainwashed the parents, it only becomes all that much easier to brainwash the children. What do you think masochistic spanking is about? However, they don't trust the parents to brainwash their own children.

Do you ever really think about how much drug their is? How much of that is keeping people from fighting the system? Teachers are trained to use the most advanced known psychological techniques to teach children to behave. Of course, despite all this, it doesn't always work perfectly.

There also have been experiments, with more sophisticated electronic brain control mechanisms. However, those are complicated to use, and other ways have been found much easier to use. Certain frequencies sound waves, can have certain effects on people, but that is mostly for croud control. Although, music is much more powerful, and can motivate people to do almost anything.

Since World War II, ever more sophisticated mind control mechanisms have been used on Americans. It has been documented, that the fraternity brain washing rituals, were mostly started by ex-soldiers, who learned them from the training for World War II.

I haven't studied the history all that well, but fighting wars is always easier when you can get people to obey you. It is easy to see that facism was quite effective at gaining obedience. For noble or inoble reasons, the U.S. government decided they needed to control the economy, and they ended up going further with propoganda, and even mind control.

Once you get started with a system of mass mind control and propoganda, it is very hard for it to just stop. The people, who can manipulate people, get caught up in their work. The manipulated become manipulaters of still more people, and the cycle worsens I think it has been happening pretty much continuously since that time.

At this point, I think will continue and continue, as it continues growing in sophistication. I don't think these kind of things will just stop, or start to shrink on their own. Most probably, it just continues until it gets so big, that the whole system collapses, although I think we are quite a ways from there, still.

How come we don't let the children learn themselves...................well if we did that the teachers and parent's would loose control and we couldn't have that now could we. BS

Look at the silly programs they show children and say the kids are learning. ha BS. It is doing exactly what it says on the tin the program is programming the sub-concious not sure what they trying to do. Ok I have no proof but how come some people simply cannot walk away from the TV when it is on and why does the TV volume get a few db's louder when comercials come on??

Also the UK government is really pushing to go digital WHY???

HAHAHAAHA What a load.
My daughter is four, the war started before her 2nd birthday. Bush has been known to her, since that time as "The evil man"....
I teach her "Not to believe the hype", when I see her mesmerized by television or print ads.
How many parents tell their kids the truth? Not many. First theres a Santa Claus, then an easter bunny, then jesus, then the boogey man, then those pesky terrorists who hate our freedoms....

When Possible I hit the mute button, thats half the battle, and more when possible avoid commercial television and anything with "pro-cop, pro special ops, pro drug war, pro spying, or pro religion" messages. Keep the brain washing to a minimum.

12 more years, and my kid is going to be a voter registration card holding free minded hell raiser.

Get your kid on the right path today, teach them the truth!!!

i took out the finer points of what u said. "the evil man". I dont care how evil he is, a 4 year old is to young to have a definite opinion. You only think she has free thinking because youve taught her the presumably correct assumptions u came up with . the problem is, she MEMORIZED them.

Further more you admit to engaging in active censorship. How is that free-thinking? I agree that corps are in it for the profit, there is no legal justification for iraq, and the drug war is a thinly veiled excuse for police militarization; so dont get me wrong.

my little cousin is the same way, 8 years old. to young to know politics, but dont mention "SCARRY KERRY" around her evil little butt.

In the '80s I watched "Pee Wee Herman" and "Jem" on tv, then "The Simpsons", now I watch "Robot Chicken" and "Newlyweds". I think they do it, so ppl won't give a piece of dirt about politics at the UN level and also, so the richer among the populace.

I lay blame squarely at the feet of American parents. No nation spends less time with their children, and no nation complains more loudly about the education system as a knee-jerk reaction to the rampant stupidity that results.

Agreed.

Odd, that as a child I was subjected to the same "brainwashing", and yet I have no difficulty in the subjects you mentioned... Maybe that is because early on, my parents instilled in me a DESIRE to learn? That is the key. It doesn't matter how bad the schools are, if a child WANTS to learn, they will, simple as that. Heck, often I loved to learn just to correct my teachers when they were blatantly wrong, hehe....

As for the anthem during ball games, etc. Are you saying other nations don't play the anthem during sporting events? I find that hard to beleive...

If not, well, we're a patriotic bunch. Unlike many of other nations, the national anthem and watching a crowd of 50,000 reaffirm their allegiance to our nation still brings a tear to our eye. I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't have that kind of pride in their nation, regardless of bickering over this or that policy of the administration. I despise the current administration, nor did I vote for it, but it doesn't make me love my country any less....

Most schools in the United States don't quite go as far as really indoctrinating anyone. They misrepresent history, science, and other things. They also teach you to work for somebody else, and accept punishments for not obeying. Public schools also teach you to follow your peer's standards. Of course, not everyone ens up learning all of this.

The more insiduous indoctrination is through religious programs, boy scouts, summer camps, and other like things. I'm not say all of these type of things engage in indoctrination. Also, some indoctrinate more than others. A lot of indoctrination will wear off after it is first put on, if it isn't reinforced. I think TV and other lessers things play more of a role in reinforcement, than in the initial indoctrination.

Although, TV advertising is mostly about getting you to buy things. Besides, there is also quite a lot on TV that defines gender, so as to make people act in a certain way. For instance women are made to not feel good about their body. Men are taught to be violent. There is a lot more to say here, but that is all I have to say for now.

This is a rather pessimistic bunch! Anyway, before i reply, what are we considering "brainwashing" and what is the definition of "education" in this thread?

EX: is brainwashing just a more romantic term for advertising? or or we concerned that the advertising will make our decisions for us? or is brainwashing something else completely?

EX: Are we talking about education in the sense of social studies, english, math, science? Or are we talking about what really should be called moral values, like not overeating, not "not caring", etc...

anyway, would just like a solid ground before i put my thoughts in on the issue. thanx!

Education can mean either both schooling and learning. Brainwashing is a clearer term, although it can range from non-coercive communication to deceptive advertising to hard core cult indoctrination.

Most, generally I would consider brainwashing as that, which consistently leads to those under its influence to have certain beliefs. The greater success at producing conformity of belief, the worse I would consider the brainwashing process.

An additional issue with brainwashing is who gets to do the brainwashing. Is it done by parents, community leaders, schools, government, or private institutions? Does it conform to traditions?

Brainwashing does have many defenders. You may be one of them. For instance, some support fraternity hazing initiation rituals. Others support government propoganda. Some even go so far as to argue that brainwashing is neccessary.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic, for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, for justice for all.



Could you imagine as a kid, refusing to say that. Everyone stood up, hand on their hearts and recited it verbatim. I never thought much of it until this very moment. All countries do that right?

Originally posted by Lord Altmis
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic, for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, for justice for all.

Could you imagine as a kid, refusing to say that. Everyone stood up, hand on their hearts and recited it verbatim. I never thought much of it until this very moment. All countries do that right?

I know in my country I never had to do anything along those lines, the most patriotic thing I did back in the days of school - was sing the national anthem. The sad thing the brainwashing starts before you can understand the situation in its etirety...

The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (the New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).

The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).


"The International Adult Literacy Survey...found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78


"The European Union leads the U.S. in...the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).

"Europe surpassed the United States in the mid-1990s as the largest producer of scientific literature" (The European Dream, p.70).

Nevertheless, Congress cut funds to the National Science Foundation. The agency will issue 1,000 fewer research grants this year (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).

Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004). We're not the place to be anymore.

That is why you fail

I guess I don't understand your point.... The U.S. is has decreased funding for some projects and not as many people from other countries are coming to the U.S. to get their higher education.... so "THAT IS WHY YOU FAIL"? Fail at what? The U.S. economy has sucked, especially since 9/11, and education and science funding has taken a big hit, I agree. However, look at the big picture. The U.S. is not failing in higher education.

The U.S. is failing in some respects of education... we have large segments of the population who are barely able to finish grade school and can hardly read. This is a problem, but it's not the same problem that you are talking about. It has nothing to do with any kind of systematic "brainwashing" either.

I'd like you to elaborate further on your comment. Thanks.

phaedrus

[edit on 6-4-2005 by phaedrusxxx]

Originally posted by Lord Altmis
Could you imagine as a kid, refusing to say that. Everyone stood up, hand on their hearts and recited it verbatim. I never thought much of it until this very moment. All countries do that right?

Nothing like that was done even in the Soviet Union...

1. The United States is ranked 49th in the world literacy (Dec. 12, 2004)
   
2. The United States ranked 28 out of 40 countries in Mathematical literacy (Dec. 12, 2004)
   

"The International Adult Literacy Survey...found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries"
(Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78

Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004). We're not the place to be anymore.

Cuba and Venezuela (BOTH THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES) have almost NO illiteracy (less than 2%)... (Recognised by the UN)

Both have FREE and COMPOLSORY education - Why cant America?

Cuba has more doctors per Capita than any other country

And these are THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES!!!

Think of the shamble your government is in, when they spend more than $400-Billion on defense instead of getting the homeless off the streets and the blacks out of gangs...

Originally posted by bratok

Originally posted by Lord Altmis
Could you imagine as a kid, refusing to say that. Everyone stood up, hand on their hearts and recited it verbatim. I never thought much of it until this very moment. All countries do that right?

Nothing like that was done even in the Soviet Union...

What? What about the german schools back in the hitler days...they are well known for doing stuff like that. And yes many Soviet block countries had stuff like that too....especially in the schools.

Originally posted by SportyMB
What? What about the german schools back in the hitler days...they are well known for doing stuff like that. And yes many Soviet block countries had stuff like that too....especially in the schools.

And this makes it OK?
Just because a country, that could be termed 'worse' than America, does it - that makes it OK for America to do it?

Originally posted by ghostsoldier

Originally posted by SportyMB
What? What about the german schools back in the hitler days...they are well known for doing stuff like that. And yes many Soviet block countries had stuff like that too....especially in the schools.

And this makes it OK?
Just because a country, that could be termed 'worse' than America, does it - that makes it OK for America to do it?

Did I say it's OK? Heck no, learn to read and understand what people write.
Do I think it's OK? No I do not think it's OK.

Im all about national pride...but people should not be "punished" for showing a lack of.

[edit on 8/5/2005 by SportyMB]

Originally posted by SportyMB
Did I say it's OK? Heck no, learn to read and understand what people write.
Do I think it's OK? No I do not think it's OK.

Im all about national pride...but people should not be "punished" for showing a lack of.

I apologise for interpreting your comment incorrectly - but the quality of your sentance structuring leaves much to be desired...

National pride is one thing - blind patriotism is another ball game entirely... I do not understand where the idea of being punished for lack of national pride came from but;

Pledges and Prayers in my opinion are a personal thing - they should not be part of the education system - especially at such young ages - they act as a way of 'tenderising' a persons brain, to be more accepting towards blind authority...

It's true to an extent.

But it's not government propaganda. It's the media propaganda. Conformism is the key to popularity. The youth (who will be the U.S.'s future leaders, engineers, etc.) Are brainwashed to conform because it is seen as "hip" or "hot" or what have you.

Just a side effect of a free-market economy.

-wD

Ok, I just typed alot of crap then my computer took a crap.
Oh yeah don't apologise....I was just pissed at some of the other post and it rubbed off when I was responding to your post....cool?

So ill sum it all up.

Punished as in peer punishment from other little kids when johnny does not want to do the pledge. Then he gets sent to the office and his mom is called in from work to answer why Johnny is bieng a bad liitle boy and not putting his hand over his heart like the rest of the class....

I would not call it brainwashing....maybe a social trend that Americans have come accustomed to over the past years. But it is better these days.
At least as far as the pledge thing goes....