as posted by WyrdeOne
How do you respond to the overbite/underbite issue?
Originally posted by Seekerof
mmmmkay... (in the words of the venerable Mr. Mackey.) They should do dental impressions and compare to any on file with his doctors in Baghdad.
The narrowness of the face?
Hadn't eaten well or like he is accustomed to his usual eating habits?
I can accept that. What I have a hard time believing, is that Hussein wasn't prepared for the US invasion. He had, what, more than a decade? He
knew we were going to come looking for him. What I wonder at, is if he was alive, why wouldn't he come forward on video and proclaim as such? I
actually think he was killed by random munitions, and the US just grabbed the nearest look-alike.
First off, all his secret palaces/bunkers/homes had been found, identified, and occupied. Second of all, what better place to hide that no one would
least expect, eh?
How do you know ALL of his secret palaces and bunkers were found and occupied? I imagine not a single human being on the planet can reasonably make
that claim. We could have occupied most of them certainly, but I doubt ALL. The guy funneled billions out of the state apparatus to build these
complexes for himself, they served a purpose, which was to protect him from American invasion. I wouldn't be surprised if we blew half of them up,
and invaded the rest of the known ones. Chances are he died in one of the ones we dropped the hammer on. Either that or he fled in advance of our
attack, to one of the neighboring friendly countries or perhaps Belgium/Switzerland/Monaco/France (south of). It's certainly possible given the
resources at his disposal.
"Sheeple"? You an American? You stereotyping Americans, in general? How convenient and interesting, eh? Being that most of the world believes as us
"sheeple" that Saddam was caught and DNA verified his identity, despite the alledged discrepancies you and others mention and ascribe to. Tell you
what, instead of using the likes of joevialls and rense and rumormills, etc. to say that the real Saddam had not been captured, care to provide some
credible maybe scientific questioning or sourcing that asserts such?
Yes, sheeple, as in people who act like sheep. Yes, I am an American. No, I'm not stereotyping Americans in general, I'm voicing my distaste for
those individuals who would rather follow than lead, hence, the flock metaphor - every flock requires a shepherd.
There are many, many lost souls in search of guidance in America, people who, because of poor genes or environmental afflictions are unable to form
complex thoughts and solve complex problems. 83% of Americans have an IQ lower than that of the average college graduate (120), and something like
50% fall below 98 points.
So yes, my distaste for the average level of intelect and accomplishment in America is evident, and I make no
apologies for it. The IQ situation wouldn't be nearly so much of a problem if the education provided by parents and schools focused on critical
thinking and problem solving instead of rote memorization and babysitting to various degrees.
Look, that's a whole different issue, one I've covered in sufficient length in other topics, and I really don't want to steer this one off course.
So, in the end; No, not all Americans are sheeple, and, Yes many are. That was the intent of my earlier statement, and in general that's my feeling
on the subject.
Back to the topic. Pray tell, how would any scientist, researcher, or independant journalist access Mr. Hussein to verify his identity? How is
anyone going to interview, fingerprint, or otherwise come into contact with him considering the extreme circumstances under which he's being held?
There is no way for an unbiased view of the situation, and I think the sources you mention (vials, rense, et al) are reacting in frustration to that
fact, perhaps making up stories of their own? I don't know the truth, but I know I want to know the truth, and the US is making it more difficult
than it needs to be in this case, and I'm asking why.
First: joevialls blows.
To me, as with your use of "sheeples," those who even swallow what such sites as joevialls is saying are "sheeples."
You're right in a way, it's just another method of following, another shepherd for the flock to look up to. Anyone who takes his statements as
gospel should have their head examined, certainly. Just as anyone who takes the statements of a single man as gospel should be studied to determine
the nature of their affliction. I however, don't look up to the man, or follow him slavishly, or parrot his theories and biases - you know this. I
take into account what he says just as I take into account what you say, or what my mother says, or what anybody else has to say. I think that's the
only responsible thing to do. Have you actually read the material presented from that source, in this and other instances, or did you just scan it
far enough to find the words "bloodthirsty zionist" or some such similar epithet, and figured the whole thing was worthless?
Third: Any sourcings or links to discredit that the DNA testing was not done and that the DNA testing was bogus? Anyone can compare slight facial
variations all day long, but unless the DNA was duped, which I have read nothing to discount such, DNA does not lie.
Are you saying DNA evidence is infallible? Because that's simply not true. There are a lot of myths floating around about DNA, like it never
changes (damage occurs from radiation exposure principally, and, according the OJ trial it can be otherwise tainted
but hey, if that defense is
good enough for OJ it's good enough for Hussein), like it's 100% accurate, when in fact it's somewhere between 97% and 99.99% accurate (best case
scenario 10b to 1 or thereabouts), like it's the magic bullet for paternity tests (which given your allusion to his sons, and given that same
connection was provided by other news sources, is what I assume was done) when in fact it is only guaranteed to VINDICATE, not IMPLICATE, meaning one
can tell with 100% accuracy if someone is not the parent, but not with 100% accuracy if someone is the parent.
I have no reason to question the speed with which the test was conducted. I think this whole issue could have been cleared up quickly and easily by
fingerprinting Hussein in a public courtroom and comparing those prints to the numerous copies on file. I predict this won't happen, and that's a
Fourth, the only way that this will be resolved sufficiently and to everyone's satisfaction is to allow an independent outside credible sourcing to
perform the blood/tissue and fingerprint DNA testings.
[edit on 28-3-2005 by WyrdeOne]