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NEWS: Protests over China's Chatroom Crackdown

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posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 04:29 PM
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Likened to persecution in nazi Germany, users have protested the shutdown of a chatroom for non-students used by both students and citizens earlier this month. The users posted appeals to other websites urging web surfers to speak out in a rare burst of outrage from within the nation. The website is situated at Shuimu.com and non students were barred from using the chatroom at Tsinhua University in Beijing.
 



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Until a few days ago, Shuimu was the largest university forum in China. For 10 years, students, alumni and others used it for lively debates on everything from physics to politics. But on March 16, communist authorities closed the site to users outside the university campus, apparently aiming to prevent critics from posting anti-government comments online.

The edict was said to come from the Ministry of Education, which did not respond to a fax from The Associated Press seeking confirmation.



Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Several other universities have posted notices forcing users to register and banning outsiders and anonymous persons from posting messages to other websites and forums. The Shuimu.com website forum was used for lively debates and complaints have stated that channels of communication are being controlled by an invisible hand.

The outcry has been critisized by some quarters saying that it may jeopadize Internet access for ordinary chinese people.

The Chinese strictly censor such websites and weblogs along with bulletin boards that are gone over thoroughly and sites that allow public comment are ordered to censor themselves or face penalties.

Links To Chinese Sites
blog.cnblog.org...
www.sinosplice.com...


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posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 04:45 PM
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Wow, and some people are saying that this sort of thing is not happening in China anymore.

Do we know if anything out of the ordinary has happened to those who have posted any messages against the communist regime?



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 04:50 PM
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No not as yet and I think the only way outsiders will find out is by accessing blogs from chinese citizens.



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 06:47 PM
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China has the right to defend itself against operatives using chatrooms to coordinate activities. Whats the big deal?



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 06:49 PM
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WWW.SHUIMU.COM
This Domain has been sold to Ms.Sophia Zhang, CISCO Beijing


hmm................



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by National Security Agency
China has the right to defend itself against operatives using chatrooms to coordinate activities. Whats the big deal?


Operatives using chatrooms to coordinate activities? When did this happen?

Regardless, IF there were such people, the proper way to address it is to go after the offenders, not the chatroom.

The big deal is that I'm used to living in the US where we have freedom of speech.



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by National Security Agency
China has the right to defend itself against operatives using chatrooms to coordinate activities. Whats the big deal?


If these people were looking to form some violent revolt or a terrorist attack, i could see why the Chinese government, even thou they are communists, would want to stop this for the safety of their own people.

But what they are doing now, has never changed in China, they want to silence anyone who is pro-democratic.


[edit on 27-3-2005 by Muaddib]



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
But what they are doing now, has never changed in China, they want to silence anyone who is pro-democratic.



Why shouldn't they? If they capture the pro-democratic viewpoints within the country than they don't have to worry about opposition. If Nepal had capture Maoist beforehand than Nepal wouldn't be in a state of political crisis. It's simple, stomp the rat before the rat eats you.



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 07:24 PM
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If McCarthyism and the Red Scare hadn't happened here in the United States than a communist infiltration leading to a state of political crisis could've been possible. You say, "no, impossible". Look at the engineering behind political instability. Infiltrate=Propagate=Mass Belief=Revolution=New Government



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 07:26 PM
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Ok, just one question... Unless i am wrong, you seem to be part of the game... I wasn't even aware the game was still going on... and I don't know since when the game became part of ATSNN...if it indeed is what i think it is.

I have noticed that you always play both sides in every issue you respond to... Unless I am totally wrong and the game does not exist anymore... Anyways, what is the point of this?... Are you saying it is all a game?.. Then why worry if everything for you, whoever you are, is but a game?

Am i wrong in this? if so why do you always respond for and against threads?...

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posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 07:36 PM
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Even the United States has done its share of wrongs in suppression of anti-government or alternative government peoples. Every nation is doing it, just a few get critized.

Here is some evidence in history:
The largest government action of the Red Scare was the Palmer Raids against anarchist, socialist, and communist groups. Left-wing activists such as Eugene V. Debs were jailed by government officials using the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918. Section Four of the Sedition act empowered Postmaster General Albert S. Burleson to slow or confiscate all Socialist material in the mail, a task that he took on readily. In a spectacle that exposed the paranoia, xenophobia, and fear of anarchism which much of the United States was experiencing, Sacco and Vanzetti, two Italian anarchists, were executed for murder in a trial seen as unfair and protested around the world.
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This was the earliest "Red Scare" after the Vladimir Lenin overthrew Russian Constituent Assembly election, in 1917. Events in 1919, such as the Seattle general strike and the Boston police force strike, demonstrated the rise of labor unions in the country during the era, which strongly supported socialism and communism.
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The point is be realistic about governments. They all do it and it is completely legal. I, for one, support the governments right to do this because otherwise they'd have instability which can be infectious disease to other nations and the more able a government is to control its fundamentals than the safer the world is from catastrophe.



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by National Security Agency
If McCarthyism and the Red Scare hadn't happened here in the United States than a communist infiltration leading to a state of political crisis could've been possible. You say, "no, impossible". Look at the engineering behind political instability. Infiltrate=Propagate=Mass Belief=Revolution=New Government


And who says that this is still not happening in the United States? If we take a look at many of the issues anti-war groups, and other protesters have adopted in their anger and protests against the US, they come right out of the communist propaganda.

But nowadays the communist propaganda is disguised as liberalism, and using freedom as an excuse, the same ideas of the communist agenda have slowly infiltrated our higher educational institutions and other agencies.

But of course, the communists themselves cannot allow this to happen in their own countries....



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Are you saying it is all a game?



It is not a game, but the lives of many more are at risk when the governments values and fundamentals are called into question. The reason China gets critics is because of economics. Every nation has to do this to protect itself from influence by other nations.
Did you know that the United States supported a Tibetan revolution against China but it was called off when Gerald Ford met with Mao Zedong? Ofcourse Tibet is a totally different situation, but it is a focal point to mark the atmosphere of rebellion, with support of other enemy governments, a government can be toppled from the inside. Thus, safeguards are put in place such as covertly destroying networks that can infilitrate the stability of government. In this case China is proving a point to other ideas of the same type. This is a public stunt to make sure other like-minded people avoid doing the same.



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by National Security Agency
If McCarthyism and the Red Scare hadn't happened here in the United States than a communist infiltration leading to a state of political crisis could've been possible. You say, "no, impossible". Look at the engineering behind political instability. Infiltrate=Propagate=Mass Belief=Revolution=New Government


And who says that this is still not happening in the United States? If we take a look at many of the issues anti-war groups, and other protesters have adopted in their anger and protests against the US, they come right out of the communist propaganda.

But nowadays the communist propaganda is disguised as liberalism, and using freedom as an excuse, the same ideas of the communist agenda have slowly infiltrated our higher educational institutions and other agencies.

But of course, the communists themselves cannot allow this to happen in their own countries....


Its possible. Although to back-up something as you've stated with proof could prove to be lethal. As in the past, only history can tell the facts. Hindsight is always better.
For a good example of possibilities today, take a look at Jacques Chirac.

Example:
acques Chirac was initially attracted towards left-wing causes, leading him to sell the Communist newspaper l'Humanité and to sign the Communist-inspired Stockholm Call against nuclear weapons in 1950. These left-wing ties proved later a hindrance to him, for instance in his first visit to the United States and his military career. Indeed, even though he finished first of his class at the armored cavalry officer academy of Saumur, the military wanted to de-rank him because they did not wish a "Communist" to become an officer. However, Chirac's extensive family acquaintances had him ranked back at the correct position.



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by Mayet
Likened to persecution in nazi Germany, users have protested the shutdown of a chatroom for non-students used by both students and citizens earlier this month.


Making that comparison frankly is offensive to Jews everywhere.

I've studied Nazi Germany and obviousely, those people have not.



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 08:55 PM
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Does anyone have information on what is happening to 2,000,000 people living in Closed Cities in Russia? Wondering what they're up to and why there isn't any media attention paid to that..................



posted on Mar, 27 2005 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by National Security Agency
Does anyone have information on what is happening to 2,000,000 people living in Closed Cities in Russia? Wondering what they're up to and why there isn't any media attention paid to that..................


I wasn't aware that there were any cities closed in Russia.


What exactly are you talking about?



posted on Mar, 28 2005 @ 03:34 AM
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Intelligence agencies of various countries are extremely busy these days. Their objective is to incite unrest among university students and create situations where fingers can be pointed, human rights issues be raised in order to justify additional economic sanctions over China and ultimately oust the communist government. Taiwan and supporters for example would be very happy to manipulate students and create movements against the Chinese government.

So far chats have not been closed, just restricted to the university campus intranets. This is just like most universities in the US or UK. So what's the big deal with this?



posted on Mar, 28 2005 @ 03:48 AM
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Try seriously disagreeing with Mr Bush and his policies on CtoC with Art Bell - you will no doubt be disconnected. China? you can also look within the US media.

Dallas



posted on Mar, 28 2005 @ 08:14 AM
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Yeah, i remember recently that my University Campuses were searched by the "online police" for "pirated material" etc etc ...

I'am pretty sure all university traffic across the world is monitored nowdays.

Gotta love the NSA.



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