Originally posted by 1wintermute1
France is the #1 culprit at this time who has been preforming underwater test's since the 60's.
I thought we were talking about the US, not France. I understand that those tests took place in Tahiti as well, not Banda Aceh.
So if the US government was testing nukes in the sea off Indonesia, they wouldn't tell anyone right? Wouldn't the natives notice? Wouldn't
international press respond? Maybe not, but I would hope so.
If they were doing it, it would have to be outside the normal fishing and commerce lanes otherwise everybody would know about it. That corridor that
was struck is a heavily travelled/fished area, I'm sure somebody would notice.
I'm not discounting the possibility that the tsunami was caused by a nuke, or that it could have been caused by a test of some sort of weapon,
however, I find it hard to believe the US has been conducting large scale tests in that area for long periods of time.
As I understand it, nuke tests were largely (completely?) discontinued when the fallout effects became clear, the government still won't admit
responsibility, but at least they stopped overtly poisoning the populace. That being said..the war planners have, for some time, been in desperate
need for a computer simulation to test blast effects, decay rates, stability issues, and reliability scenarios after long periods of dormancy. They
built a special computer, and a whole nifty software package for the task. That would seem to indicate to me that they have discontinued active
If there is evidence to the contrary, bring it to the table. I know quite a bit about nukes, not everything certainly, but quite a bit, and I've
never happened across any information about current testing, I imagine if it were taking place it would be very secret, because it's in violation of
the nuclear test ban treaty.
Right now, this issue has moved into the realm of 'who knows' for me, I'm focused on other things, primarily the advent of new weapons technology
and some issues with evolution. If you're not willing to post what you know, I'm just going to have to remain ignorant in regards to whatever
information you claim is out there. I'll keep it in mind the next time I have an afternoon to spare, and don't feel like breathing fresh air or
seeing the sunshine.
Seriously though, if you have something, out with it. If you don't, well...
As far as radioactive material reaching the surface and being easily detectable depends primarily on two factors, depth, and the type of nuke. Using
a deep, walled testbed, like the Banda trench, and a non U235 shell, or a combination fission/fusion device, I would predict little to no radioactive
material would make it to the surface. Radioactive particles, even microscopic ones, are heavy and will sink like all sediment. If you really want
to know for sure, dredge the trench and surrounding area, collect samples, and analyze them for the presence of P239 and U235. Have a blast.
I'm fairly sure it wasn't HAARP, and I'm fairly sure it wasn't an alien mothership correcting our wobble, but everything else is still a prime
candidate in my opinion.
I really don't want to get any deeper into this thing, I've been over this, like three months ago, and all I came up with was "It could have been a
nuke, or it could have been a quake, or it could have been a meteor, or it could have been an undersea magmatic explosion." There's ample evidence
for all those possibilities, and so these threads tend always to degenerate into a grudge match between two sides with distinctly separate agendas.
One side seeks to bolster the American government, the other side seeks to denigrate it.
If this was a French nuke, that would be very surprising, but the motive is there. The Maldives isn't as popular with the French tourists as it is
with other Europeans, and ExxonMobile did elbow France out of Iraqi oil and construction contracts for pipelines and pumping stations.
There were no-bid deals, pre-arranged deals, pre-emptive investment on our side of the Atlantic, so I think France has a bit of a grudge.
The Russians also have motive, means, but less opportunity than the Americans. That being said, the possibility of Russian and/or French involvement
shouldn't be ruled out.