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Hi, Guys..Do you believe This? ''U.S. Guilty of War Crimes in Korea''

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posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 04:14 PM
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AFTER 50 YEARS OF SUFFERING: TRIBUNAL FINDS U.S. GUILTY OF WAR CRIMES IN KOREA

Koreans From North and South Present Evidence

Images from Tribunal Testimony: a photo album

Four minute video clip [longer version in production]

By John Catalinotto
New York

June 27, 2003--Fifty years of enforced silence were broken on June 23 when Korean victims of U.S. war crimes finally had the chance to tell an International War Crimes Tribunal about what had happened to them.

Some 600 people attended the historic gathering at the Interchurch Center of Riverside Church. Large delegations of Koreans came from South Korea, Japan, Canada and Germany, as well as from all over the U.S. Most evidence was presented in Korean and English to the multinational audience.

The U.S. State Department had refused visas to a delegation of 11 lawyers bringing evidence from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. The South Korean government had barred some witnesses from boarding planes to the U.S., sparking protests in Seoul.

Tribunal organizers saw this as proof that both Washington and Seoul fear the impact of the truth about the U.S.'s colonial relationship with Korea.

The testimony of victims from North Korea was presented via videotape.

Listening intently to the evidence were over two dozen jurists from 17 countries. Twelve of these countries participated in the 1950-1953 war against Korea. After four sessions of deliberating over the testimony, this jury unanimously found the U.S. government and military guilty of 19 counts of war crimes committed against Korea from 1945 until 2001.

KOREA TRUTH COMMISSION FORMED AFTER NO GUN RI EXPOSE

The tribunal was the culmination of over a year's work by the Korea Truth Commission, which had been formed after the exposure of U.S. atrocities against Korean civilians at No Gun Ri during the Korean War.

The KTC enlisted the aid in the U.S. of the International Action Center and Veterans for Peace, and the cooperation of many other organizations internationally. Yoomi Jeong of the KTC and Sara Flounders of the IAC co-chaired the tribunal.

Former South Korean Supreme Court Justice Byun Jung Soo and former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark--who drafted the original indictment against the U.S. at the KTC request-- were the chief prosecutors.

Opening the prosecution, Byun noted that "U.S. crimes have been suppressed and covered up" and should be revealed in detail. People from North and South Korea have come together in the tribunal movement, he said. They hope the tribunal work will serve as an example for those who want the reunification of the two Koreas.

Clark pointed out that the U.S. military went into Korea in September 1945 to "stop Soviet troops and they divided the Korean people in half, putting into power a military government in the south that used brutal means to eliminate every form of sympathy with Koreans in the north."

When war broke out in 1950, the U.S. declared North Korea "Indian Territory," Clark said. This was a racist term meaning a free-fire zone. The invading troops killed 3.5 million civilians in three years. Washington has kept up the "torture of economic sanctions" since.

Clark explained the KTC's decision to focus not only on the U.S. slaughter of civilians during the 1950-1953 Korean War, but also on the periods that preceded and followed it: first, the repression and murder of leftists from 1945 to 1950, and later the U.S. occupation of the south and economic sanctions against the Democratic People's Republic of Korea in the north following the 1953 truce.

1945-1950: CRIMES AGAINST PEACE

Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, legal representative of the Partnership for Civil Justice in Washington, presented the prosecution's brief for the 1945 to 1950 period. She instructed the jury that during this period the U.S. committed "crimes against peace," which were defined at Nuremberg as the most serious of all war crimes.

As an example of the political persecution and outright slaughter by the U.S.-backed military regime in the south during this period, the tribunal heard the testimony of witness Lee Do Young regarding the massacre of a quarter of the population of Cheju Island after an uprising in the spring of 1948. The island lies off the southern coast of the Korean peninsula.

Lee said he was still frightened that the regime might punish him for presenting his testimony. Indeed, Seoul stopped some of the Cheju witnesses from coming to the tribunal.

Lee's own father, who had worked for the rural government, was killed later, in August 1950, for alleged participation in the uprising on the island. His story brought up an additional aspect--the U.S.-backed slaughter of hundreds of thousands of leftists and activists in South Korea in the summer of 1950.

Lee said he found one person who confessed to executing his father, but that person's superior officer denied it.

WAR CRIMES IN SOUTH KOREA

Prosecutor Shim Jae Hwan spoke on behalf of those Koreans killed by the U.S. military in South Korea. "The U.S. brought in massive military force and killed innocent people, brutalized women, young and old," Shim said. "The U.S. must admit its crimes, apologize for them and compensate the Korean people."

A half-dozen witnesses from South Korea then came forward to describe U.S. atrocities. Their stories, which they had been unable to tell for 50 years, caused many in the audience to weep. Any criticism of the U.S. was interpreted as sympathy with the DPRK and was punishable under the National Security Law, so they had had to swallow their suffering in silence.

One witness told of a pond near his home village. When drained, it yielded five truckloads of bodies. Outside the auditorium were exhibits showing the location and details of this and other atrocities. He said that some 3,500 people were killed in his area.

Kang Soo Jo, who had been a young girl when she lost her mother to the war, told of being shot in the leg. She showed her mangled leg and foot to the audience. In fury she demanded the U.S. either "return things to the way they were before or give compensation for my suffering."

A man from a northern province of South Korea told of being bombed non-stop by U.S. B-29s. "We raised South Korean flags to say hello, but were surprised by bombs. I lost my mother and father. Fifty-nine people were killed in that attack," he said, out of 450 people killed altogether in the village and environs.

U.S. officials claimed what happened was an error, he said, but then bombed again for 40 minutes a few days later.

An "error," was made, another survivor said, when U.S. planes bombed and machine-gunned a boat carrying refugees and flying the South Korean flag. Some "150 people were killed in the bombing. Others were shot on the stairwell trying to leave the boat."

That U.S. commanders considered these to be "errors" only means that the attacks were meant for civilians who might be sympathetic to the north. Either way, attacks on civilians are war crimes.

WAR CRIMES IN NORTH KOREA

Attorney Lennox Hinds, the permanent representative to the United Nations of the International Association of Democratic Lawyers, led the prosecution's presentation on civilian massacres in the north. He also raised the U.S. use of biological and chemical warfare.

Hinds introduced into evidence a study made in 1952 by an eight-member delegation from his organization at the invitation of the DPRK. This IADL study showed evidence of mass murders, massacres and other atrocities that violated Article 16 and Article 6A of the Nuremburg Laws, said Hinds.

It also showed that the U.S. used weapons banned by the articles of war, including bacteriological and chemical weapons. U.S. planes had dropped canisters containing flies and other insects infected with plague, cholera and other epidemic diseases. A letter was then read to the tribunal from Stephen Endicott, whose research into declassified documents appears in the book "The United States and Biological Warfare: Secrets from the Early Cold War and Korea."

Expert witness Anne Katrin-Becker of Germany told of U.S.- led massacres that killed one-fourth of the population of Sinchon province--35,383 people--mostly elderly people, non- combatant women and children. In October 1950, U.S. troops forced 900 people into a building and burned it to death, and in another area 1,000 women were drowned.

In a video the KTC made earlier this spring in North Korea, survivors testified of U.S. atrocities carried out against their villages and loved ones. The crimes were similar to those in the south, but with no pretense of "error."

Former U.S. bomber pilot Charles Overby confessed to his own role in dropping 40 bombs each run, each with 500 pounds of TNT, on the population of North Korea.

1953-2001: CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

The fourth prosecutor, Kim Seung Kyo, addressed crimes against humanity committed from 1953 to 2001, including political repression, military dictatorship, U.S. troop occupation, the infamous National Security Law that led to charges against a million South Koreans, the torture of political prisoners, the massacre after the 1980 Kwangju uprising, and U.S. Air Force bombing practice at Maehyang- ri.

Ismael Guadalupe of the Committee for the Rescue and Development of Vieques testified on the U.S. Navy's use of his island as a bombing practice range and expressed his solidarity with the Koreans at Maehyang-ri. The work of the tribunal has furthered Korean-Puerto Rican solidarity.

Other presentations included IAC West Coast coordinator Gloria La Riva on the struggle of the Daewoo workers, Sandra Smith from Canada on the deprivations caused by sanctions, and former German Admiral Elmar Schmaehling on U.S. plans for a National Missile Defense.

The tribunal showed cooperation between North and South Korean organizations, as well as solidarity of the U.S. anti- war movement with the Korean Truth Commission, which is rooted in mass organizations in South Korea.

KTC Secretary General Rev. Kiyul Chung, Brian Willson of Veterans for Peace and Brian Becker of the IAC ended the presentations with political analyses of the tribunal and a call for continued activity by all the participants to help get U.S. troops out of Korea and allow the Koreans to reunify their country.



AFTER HEARING THE EVIDENCE, INTERNATIONAL PANEL OF JURISTS SAYS "GUILTY"

FINAL JUDGMENT

The Members of the Korea International War Crimes Tribunal, meeting in New York, having considered the Indictment for Offenses Committed by the Government of the United States of America Against the People of Korea, 1945-2001, which charges all U.S. Presidents, all Secretaries of State, all Secretaries of Defense, all Secretaries of the armed services, all Chiefs of Staff, all heads of the Central Intelligence Agency and other U.S. foreign intelligence agencies, all Directors of the National Security Agency, all National Security Advisors, all U.S. military commanders in Korea and commanders of units which participated in war crimes, over the period from 1945 to the present, with nineteen separate War Crimes, Crimes Against Peace and Crimes Against Humanity in violation of the Charter of the United Nations, the Charter of the Nuremberg Tribunal, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the Geneva Protocol of 1925, the 1929 and 1949 Geneva Conventions, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide of 1948, other international agreements and customary international law, the laws of the United States, the laws of Korea and the laws of other nations that have been forced to provide bases, support and military personnel for United States actions against Korea;

having the right and obligation as citizens of the world to sit in judgment regarding violations of international humanitarian law;

having heard the testimony from various hearings of the Korea Truth Commission held over the past year and having received evidence from various other Commission hearings which recite the evidence there gathered;

having been provided with documentary evidence, eyewitness testimonies, photos, videotapes, special reports, expert analyses and summaries of evidence available to the Korea Truth Commission;

having access to all evidence, knowledge and expert opinion in the Commission files or available to the Commission staff;

having considered the Report from the Korean Truth Commission (South) on U.S. War Crimes During the Korean War, providing eyewitness accounts by survi vors of massacres of civilians in farming villages in southern Korea by U.S. military forces during the 1950-53 war;

having considered the Report from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) on U.S. War Crimes During the Korean War, prepared by the Investigation Committee of the National Front for Democratic Reunification, providing details on war crimes and crimes against humanity committed in the north by the U.S. from June to December 1950;

having been provided by the Commission, or otherwise obtained, various books, articles and other written materials on various aspects of events and conditions in Korea, and in the military and arms establishments;

having heard the presentations of the Korea Truth Commission in public hearing on June 23, 2001, and the testimony, evidence and summaries there presented;

having considered the testimonies of those Koreans denied visas to personally attend the hearings by the governments of the U.S. and the Republic of Korea (ROK), but presented in the form of videotaped interviews and documents;

having been informed that the Korea Truth Commission gave ample opportunity to U.S. government defendants to attend and present evidence in their defense, which up to the moment of this verdict they have been unable or unwilling to do;

and having met, considered and deliberated with each other and with Commission staff and having considered all the evidence that is relevant to the nineteen charges of criminal conduct alleged in the Initial Complaint, make the following findings:

FINDINGS:

The Members of the International War Crimes Tribunal find the accused Guilty on the basis of the evidence against them: each of the nineteen separate crimes alleged in the Initial Complaint has been established to have been committed beyond a reasonable doubt. The Members find these crimes to have occurred during three main periods in the U.S. intervention in and occupation of Korea.

The best-known period is from June 25, 1950, until July 27, 1953, the "Korean War," when over 4.6 million Koreans perished, according to conservative Western estimates, including 3 million civilians in the north and 500,000 civilians in the south. The evidence of U.S. war crimes presented to this Tribunal included eyewitness testimony and documentary accounts of massacres of thousands of civilians in southern Korea by U.S. military forces during the war. Abundant evidence was also presented concerning criminal and even genocidal U.S. conduct in northern Korea, including the systematic leveling of most buildings and dwellings by U.S. artillery and aerial bombardment; widespread atrocities committed by U.S. and R.O.K. forces against civilians and prisoners of war; the deliberate destruction of facilities essential to civilian life and economic production; and the use of illegal weapons and biological and chemical warfare by the U.S. against the people and the environment of northern Korea. Documentary and eyewitness evidence was also presented showing gross and systematic violence committed against women in northern and southern Korea, characterized by mass rapes, sexual assaults and murders.

Less known but of crucial importance in understanding the war period is the preceding five years, from the landing of U.S. troops in Korea on September 8, 1945, to the outbreak of the war. The Members of the Tribunal examined extensive evidence of U.S. crimes against peace and crimes against humanity in this period. The Members conclude that the U.S. government acted to divide Korea against the will of the vast majority of the people, limit its sovereignty, create a police state in southern Korea using many former collaborators with Japanese rule, and provoke tension and threats between southern and northern Korea, opposing and disrupting any plans for peaceful reunification. In this period the U.S. trained, directed and supported the ROK in systematic murder, imprisonment, torture, surveillance, harassment and violations of human rights of hundreds of thousands of people, especially of those individuals or groups considered nationalists, leftists, peasants seeking land reform, union organizers and/or those sympathetic to the north.

The Members find that in the period from July 1953 to the present, the U.S. has continued to maintain a powerful military force in southern Korea, backed by nuclear weapons, in violation of international law and intended to obstruct the will of the Korean people for reunification. Military occupation has been accompanied by the organized sexual exploitation of Korean women, frequently leading to violence and even murder of women by U.S. soldiers who have felt above the law. U.S.-imposed economic sanctions have impoverished and debilitated the people of northern Korea, leading to a reduction of life expectancy, widespread malnutrition and even starvation in a country that once exported food. The refusal of the U.S. government to grant visas to a delegation from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea who planned to attend this Tribunal only confirms the criminal intent of the defendants to isolate those whom they have abused to prevent them from telling their story to the world.

In all these 55 years, the U.S. government has systematically manipulated, controlled, directed, misinformed and restricted press and media coverage to obtain consistent support for its military intervention, occupation and crimes against the people of Korea. It has also inculcated racist attitudes within the U.S. troops and general population that prepared them to commit and/or accept atrocities and genocidal policies against the Korean people.

It has violated the Constitution of the United States, the delegation of powers over war and the military, the Bill of Rights, the UN Charter, international law and the laws of the ROK, DPRK, People's Republic of China, Japan and many others, in its lawless determination to exercise its will over the Korean peninsula.

The Members of the Korea International War Crimes Tribunal hold the United States government and its leaders accountable for these criminal acts and condemn those found guilty in the strongest possible terms.

RECOMMENDATIONS:

The Members call for the immediate end of U.S. occupation of all Korean territory, the removal of all U.S. bases, forces and materiel, including land mines, from the region, the rectification of environmental damage, and the cessation of overt and covert operations against northern Korea.

The Members urge the immediate revocation of all embargoes, sanctions and penalties against northern Korea because they constitute a continuing crime against humanity.

The Members call for emergency funds to be provided to the people of northern Korea through the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to feed the hungry and care for the sick, whose suffering is a direct result of U.S. policies.

The Members call for reparations to be paid by the U.S. government to all of Korea to compensate for the damage inflicted by 55 years of violence and economic warfare.

The Members further call for an immediate end to all interference by the U.S. aimed at preventing the people of Korea from reunifying as they choose.

The Members call for the U.S. government to make full disclosure of all information about U.S. crimes and wrongful acts committed in Korea since September 7, 1945.

The Members urge the Commission to provide for the permanent preservation of the reports, evidence and materials gathered to make them available to others, and to seek ways to provide the widest possible distribution of the truth about U.S. crimes in Korea.

We urge all people of the world to act on recommendations developed by the Commission to hold power accountable and to secure social justice on which lasting peace must be based.

Done in New York this 23rd day of June, 2001



THE PROSECUTORS

Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General; Joint Chief Prosecutor for Tribunal

Byun Jung Soo, former Korea Supreme Court Justice; Joint Chief Prosecutor for Tribunal

Lennox Hinds, U.S., UN Permanent Representative, International Association of Democratic Lawyers

Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, U.S., Legal Representative, Partnership for Civil Justice

Shim Jae Hwan, South Korean Legal Team for the Korea Truth Commission

Kim Seung Kyo, South Korean Legal Team for the Korea Truth Commission

THE CHIEF JURISTS

Jitendra Sharma, India, former Supreme Court Justice

Brian Willson, U.S., lawyer and Vietnam Veteran

THE JURISTS

Malcolm Cannon, Australia, lifelong peace and anti-war activist

Miche Doumen, Belgium, spokesperson for Solidarity International

Sandra Smith, Canada, People's Front

Judi Cheng, Chinese American activist; graduate student at Hunter College School for Health Science

Gustavo Torrez, Colombia, human rights activist and Executive Director, Casa de Maryland

Guy Dupre, France, President, International Liaison Committee for Peace and Reunification of Korea

Hugo Bernard, France, former Senator, French National Assembly

Wolfgang Richter, Germany, President of the Society for the Protection of Civil Rights and Human Dignity, e.v. GBM

Benjamin Dupuy, Haiti, former Haitian Ambassador to U.S. & UN

Hari P. Sharma, India, Professor Emeritus of Sociology at Simon Fraser University

Oh Jong Ryul, Korea, National President, National Alliance for Democracy and Reunification of Korea (prevented from leaving South Korea by Seoul government)

Yun Young Moo, Korea, former Korean Independence fighter; lifelong reunification activist

Catherine Dujon, Luxemburg, International Section, Anti-Imperialist League

Ben Fama, Netherlands, son of Dutch Korean War veteran who opposed the war

Margaret Sanner, Norway, Women's Front of Norway

Edre Olalia, Philippines, Legal Consultant to the National Democratic Front of the Philippines Negotiating Panel

Arnedo Valera, Philippines, Legal Consultant to the National Democratic Front of the Philippines Negotiating Panel

Berta Joubert-Ceci, Puerto Rico, Vieques activist; National People's Campaign

Jorge Farinacci, Puerto Rico, Senior Legal Council to the Puerto Rican labor movement

Gail Coulson, South Africa, Executive Secretary, Asia Pacific Desk, General Board of Global Ministries, UMC

Dundak Gurses, Turkey, lawyer, International Association of People's Lawyers

Charles Overby, U.S., professor, University of Ohio; author; retired U.S. Air Force pilot

Deirdre Griswold, U.S., Editor, Workers World newspaper; Secretariat member of 1967 Bertrand Russell International War Crimes Tribunal

Felton May, U.S., Resident Bishop at Baltimore-Washington Conference of United Methodist Church

Karen Talbot, U.S., Journalist; President, International Center for Peace and Justice

Wilson Powell, U.S. Korean War veteran

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posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 04:18 PM
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It also showed that the U.S. used weapons banned by the articles of war, including bacteriological and chemical weapons. U.S. planes had dropped canisters containing flies and other insects infected with plague, cholera and other epidemic diseases. A letter was then read to the tribunal from Stephen Endicott, whose research into declassified documents appears in the book "The United States and Biological Warfare: Secrets from the Early Cold War and Korea."

it's about time that this came out, although I don't believe that anything would happen regarding it, but it's still good that somewhere a case continues
EG



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 04:57 PM
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Yes, it is always good that things of this nature are brought out and verdict and justice are served.

Now, maybe, someone can provide just ONE war or conflict were neither side participated or utilized methods that would not be deemed worthy of "war crimes'?






seekerof



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 05:00 PM
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This is just more anti-american propaganda, strange how it comes out after fifty years.



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by CGBSpender
This is just more anti-american propaganda, strange how it comes out after fifty years.


Hey, it took Michael Schaivo 7 years to remember that Terri wanted to be starved to death if she were ever in a coma.



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 05:39 PM
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It is common knowledge in the Veteran Medical Community that biologicals were used in Korea. The proof of this is in the diseases that our own military came down with.

I wish I could jump on the band wagon and state the claim is anti-American and untrue, however that band wagon is a pro American reflex without any basis in fact.

The proof of this point is that if a Veteran shows he was attached to certain units and that Veteran comes down with certain side effects the proof of the injury does not go any further, since the Veteran is deemed to qualify. This automatic qualification would not extend to certain Veterans unless that group were exposed to the same toxins and Biologicals.

There are 41 diseases that are presumptively service connected

2003 National Veterans legal Services Program, Chapter 3, page 28 "
Any eligible veteran can claim service connection for one of these diseases as long as there is some evidence that the disease apipeared withinthe presumptive period."

Page 26 " Presumptive periods under VA rules range from one year to any time after service."

Take care,

Jeff, Esq. Veteran's Atty.



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by CGBSpender
This is just more anti-american propaganda, strange how it comes out after fifty years.


Maybe you will release the truth about Kennedy assasination or UFO. It has been 50 years.

Serouslly, I wanna know

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posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 05:46 PM
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This must be some kinda joke.

We lost how many troops defending South Korea?....and they have the nerve to bring charges against America? Their enjoying their freedom because of the blood we spilt. Our most precious blood, each American soldier is worth a 1000 Liberals.

Yep, I guess most of the world really does hate us and I could give a rats-a**.

Maximu§



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by LA_Maximus
This must be some kinda joke.

We lost how many troops defending South Korea?....and they have the nerve to bring charges against America? Their enjoying their freedom because of the blood we spilt. Our most precious blood, each American soldier is worth a 1000 Liberals.

Yep, I guess most of the world really does hate us and I could give a rats-a**.

Maximu§

So wait, because you done a good deed your able to do what and to who ever you like?
Also I'll have you know liberals fought just as hard as any other political party, DONT you try to undermine this thread by bringing in political accusations, you want to do that go on Politics @ ATS!



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 06:36 PM
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This is like a non-binding, non-authoratative ad hoc 'tribunal' formed expressly to convict the US of war crimes, no?



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
This is like a non-binding, non-authoratative ad hoc 'tribunal' formed expressly to convict the US of war crimes, no?

No a non authorative "tribunal" expressing warcrimes....yet again I say this is not anothe "pick on america" things, this is not "takeing away american pride" etc etc...



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 06:39 PM
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Dude cmon america has never done a good deed in its life, all of the wars the USA starts are to secure The american way of life, Americans couldn't givea c rap about Korea but when you have trouble on your Doorstep if you dont step in then they Care. America starst wars for its own reasons not beacuse it wants to spread the democracy or freedom.

its true the world hates america thats why its your soldiers that are dieing in Iraq and not the british or italian etc. the fact is if you didn't invade teveryone when you don't like what government they have te world would like you and if the government didnt brainwash the public into making them think the USA is the greatest Country on earth and wil lalways be it. the world would like you. I speak on behalf of the British or most of them but the British don't like the american government, the europeans dont either. we the British Public are beginning to not want to help africa etc by letting them come into us and this increase every year. if america did that then they would truely be great But the main part is war mongering and power throwing, america is throwing its power around and needs to stop because when you do that you piss off people that can do damage such as Bin laden etc. Now if you stopped throwing it about you wouldnt have that problem. Plus i nthe next 50 years america is going to fall from its spot and we will all be bowing to Russia or something



posted on Mar, 25 2005 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by devilwasp
No a non authorative "tribunal" expressing warcrimes

Under what authority does it assemble? And for what purpose? For the explicit purpose of trying the US for war crimes.

What defense was put up for the US? What protections does this 'tribunal' have for the defense? Who picked the jurors and how? This sounds very much like that b/s a short while ago where it was reported that 'a japanese court has found bush guilty of war crimes', when it was just an activist group that set up a mock trial.

I mean, this is being presented as if its anything but propaganda. And hosently, outside of the guilt or innocence of america, this remains propaganda. I'm sure not everyone is an infamous ' merika hata' and whatnot, but why not charge any of this in court? In any country? Heck the International courts all rejected these sorts of claims, that is, they reviewed the cases and threw them out. So now, what exactly, some of the people (not literally the same people) who couldn't get it accomplished legally and legitimately are just holding their own tribunals? Bah.

Hum bug I say, hum bug.



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 04:49 AM
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Originally posted by LA_Maximus
Our most precious blood, each American soldier is worth a 1000 Liberals.


How many Conservatives are worth the blood of one Liberal American soldier?


Oh that's right, The US military descriminates against Liberals wanting to serve their country. And only recruits right-wing fundamentalist christians. Who else would stfu and do as their told without questioning the morality of it all?



posted on Mar, 26 2005 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
Under what authority does it assemble?

The authority of the free people there....unless you dont believe in haveing a free court...


And for what purpose? For the explicit purpose of trying the US for war crimes.

The explicit purpose of showing the truth, or are you unwilling to listen to thier version of events?


What defense was put up for the US?

Might I point out there was delegations from across the US, now tell me are you saying americans are incapable of defending america?


What protections does this 'tribunal' have for the defense?

I dont know, why dont you ask them mabye use this majical ting called "google"...



Who picked the jurors and how?

Who said there was a jury...


This sounds very much like that b/s a short while ago where it was reported that 'a japanese court has found bush guilty of war crimes', when it was just an activist group that set up a mock trial.

How do you define a "court" ?
I define it as...
"an assembly (including one or more judges) to conduct judicial business "



I mean, this is being presented as if its anything but propaganda. And hosently, outside of the guilt or innocence of america, this remains propaganda. I'm sure not everyone is an infamous ' merika hata' and whatnot, but why not charge any of this in court? In any country? Heck the International courts all rejected these sorts of claims, that is, they reviewed the cases and threw them out. So now, what exactly, some of the people (not literally the same people) who couldn't get it accomplished legally and legitimately are just holding their own tribunals? Bah.

Ok lets look at this effectively...the US doesnt accept to be judged by its peers so therefore wont appear in a court room to defend itself agaisnt charges therefore the international court cannot conduct a trial...
A bit diffrent from "throwing them out"
Also this "propaganda" doesnt seem that wrong, its only wrong to the person who's country is under trial...


Hum bug I say, hum bug.

So you think the US is unable to defend itself in a court room?




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